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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 11, 2011 6:15:22 GMT -5
I use this board all the time (this is my first ever thread / post, however!) and i do not understand why everyone appears to hate HC. OK, there are some dull songs on it like BM, FON, AQP. But i genuinely believe that the rest of the songs all have their own beauty:
1) Hindu Times: Very uplifting rock n roll song. I wake up to it every morning and it really pumps the adrenaline round the body!
2) Hung In A Bad Place: I will get crap for this but I like it. It is a very solid 6/10 rock song. The whole album is very rock n roll and this song suits it.
3) Stop Crying Your Heart Out: Bar CS this is their best ballad, IMO. 'Nuf said.
4) Songbird: Most Oasis fans like this song. Noel himself wishes he had written it.
5) Little By Little: Again, I have seen abuse for this song. It is amazing live, the lyrics are a wee bit depressing but it has a certain charm about it. Not my favorite song on the album but not as shit as people make it out to be!
6) (Probably) All In The Mind: Similar to HIABP. Rock n roll, solid, worthy of being on an Oasis album. Not my favorite Oasis track, but nowhere near being the worst.
7) She Is Love: Quite simply a beautiful song. I know Oasis aren't known for writing them, but it really shows Noel's ability as a song writer, no?
8) Born On A Different Cloud: Lennon-esque. One of Liam's finest.
It isn't their best album. Nobody is arguing that. But it is surely above BHN and SOTSOG! Perhaps the inclusion of the now highly acclaimed 'The Roller' would have improved it, who knows though.
Thoughts?
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Post by bonkers on May 11, 2011 6:37:31 GMT -5
in my opinion its the perfect reason why a band needs a producer
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Post by GIMH on May 11, 2011 6:38:11 GMT -5
Since I joined this forum I have been meaning to start this very thread!
Now these days it sits comfortably in 5th place if I rank the oasis albums (ahead of BHN&SOTSOG) but at the time of the release - oh boy did I enjoy this. I can list on one hand the albums that stayed on constant rotation for as long as HC did upon its release.
Now granted, some of that may have been that the live shows were fantastic - I think fans generally regard the 2002 setlists as some of the best Oasis ever did. But there isn't a song on it I don't like.
Hindu Times - Such a confidence boosting song Force of Nature - I find that chorus so catchy Hung in a Bad Place - Yeah, what's the deal with people not liking this? Possibly my favourite oasis song that a Gallagher didn't like (it's between this, TBWTL and Turn Up The Sun). Stop Crying Your Heart Out - Beautiful Songbird - Yeah, amazing song Little by Little - Didn't like this one when the album came out, but seeing them play it live won me over, because the chorus is so mega when everyone is singing it A Quick Peep - Love that riff (Probably) All In The Mind - Not bad, love the 'Rain' drums She Is Love - A nice sentiment, if a bit soft Born on a Different Cloud - At first I was just like, eh, what's with all these Lennon lines, and then I listened again and it seemed to be about his son Lennon. Maybe I'm wrong, don't know. I love it though, it makes me think of my eldest daughter Better Man - A bit throwaway but I love that riff. Could have been great with a bit more work (Noel should have co-wrote it or something)
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Post by BlueJay on May 11, 2011 8:29:24 GMT -5
Bar a few notable exceptions its too much of a meat and potatoes rock (Nickelback-like) record that stems from lazy songwriting, boring arrangements and insipid lyrical themes. Even Noel will admit that he can't listen back to it today. And as for the production? I could have made those songs sound better on my laptop mic
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Post by theultimatewannabe on May 11, 2011 8:58:13 GMT -5
The Hindu Times is the song that made me get into Oasis and Songbird is in my top 10 favorite Oasis songs list. But the album is drowsy as hell and even they can't cover for that.
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Post by Headmaster on May 11, 2011 14:54:01 GMT -5
HC - classic, but still need some better production. FON - Good and underrated. HIABP - Just Ok. SCYHO - Classic, it has made many new fans. SB - Liam classic, his blueprint. LBL - Great and very underrated by the hardcore fans. AQP - Throwaway. PAITM - Shit SIL - Very lovely stuff by Noel, underrated. BOADC - Desperately needs better production. BM - Shit TC - Doesn't worth.
But all in all HC is too generic IMO, my least favorite of theirs, it has no personality like the other albums, but hey at least the casual fans just loves it.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on May 11, 2011 15:07:07 GMT -5
But all in all HC is too generic IMO, my least favorite of theirs, it has no personality like the other albums, but hey at least the casual fans just loves it. This. If you look at all Oasis albums in a very positive way, BHN is and SOTSOG are classics. There is no way any Oasis album is worse than HC...sorry.
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Post by hangthedj on May 11, 2011 15:19:09 GMT -5
The worst thing about the album is the production, for example, the drums sound shit, so does Liam's voice. Hindu Times, Songbird, SCYHO, Probably all in the mind and Little by little are good songs, and Johnny Marr plays on the album, but then there's some shit like Better Man or She is love ( chessy radio generic song, I think Noel must be embarrased of writing that one ). But then again, if you replaced the shit tracks with the great b-sides of the era, Thank you for the good times, Shout it out loud and Idler's dream, it would be a good album.
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Post by sunshheeeyine on May 11, 2011 16:12:29 GMT -5
THT-great riff, reminds me a bit of the title track of Be Here Now FON-i think its decent, nice imagery but a bit of a drag HIABP- good live song, enjoyable on occasion SCYHO- i like it, Liams vocals arent to great though, prefered the demo tbh but a good track SB- i my opinion one of his best vocal tracks, lovely little tune that doesnt overstay its welcome & a live staple LBL- love it, one of my 1st oasis tracks, which is probably why i dont get the criticisms it gets AQP- nothing specifically wrong with it but it doesnt need to be there PAITM- very forgetable, ide be surprised if its working title wasnt "cliche" , one i liked when i was younger though SIL- Noels Songbird, i really dig this one BOADC- lots of borrowing from Lennon tunes e.g Working Class Hero but i love it, if it had been better produced it would have been epic BM- extremely weak compared to LGs other tunes on HC but not terrible,marr playing guitar & doing backing is pretty cool TC- no point of it, i mean waiting 40 minutes for a crap instrumental, wtf is that shit?
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Post by Mad4it on May 11, 2011 16:19:01 GMT -5
I must admit at the time i really loved this album!
It has some enjoyable songs like The hindu times, Songbird, SCYHO.. but man the mixing and production is pretty terrible. Also I don't think the album flows well. It could have been much better with some decent production (louder drums, bass, etc)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 11, 2011 18:52:12 GMT -5
It's so uninspired. While I love the singles, all of them are pretty much Oasis-by-numbers. Don't get me wrong, I love the hits on the album, but hardly inspiring in and of themselves.
What gets me is the filler. FON is horrid, AQP is pointless, PAITM isn't as bad as people say it is but it's still insipid, BM is just dull and trying too hard to be Love Spreads by The Stone Roses, HIABP has its moments but poor really. BOADC is good, but lengthy and a bit too lennony.
It's just a poor Oasis album, but it does have its moments.
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Post by NicOasis on May 11, 2011 20:19:47 GMT -5
I think it's a great album-though I do not have expert ears I enjoy the songs alot. The Hindu Times-Great tune, catchy, good lyrics, and can't forget about that riff. The Force Of Nature-Epic, love the way Noel sings it, rockin' tune and has one of my fav lines "Its All Over If Yer Begging Me 'Please' Then Get On Yer Knees And Pray!..." Hung In A Bad Place-One of my favorites by Gem, lyrically and very rocking. Liam at France (I believe) before playing this said "this ones about a donkey" which kinda makes sense . Stop Crying Your Heart Out-simply amazing -beautiful classic. Songbird-Simple, and nice. Little By Little-not my favorite, but I love the chorus. Quick peep-it's alright, should've used Thank You For The Good Times though. Probably All In The Mind-Love the harmonies and lyrics-simple, and everyone says it's ripped off, and I am young so it's very good to me. She Is Love-very amazing song, and quoting Noel "She Is Love is probably one of my favorite songs...but I dunno it sounds gay." Born On A Different Cloud-very good song, maybe one of Liams best. Better Man-Very rocky and enjoy the lyrics, would've liked it more if they used the early mix version so it wouldn't be as repetitive. The Cage-good instrumental song, love the slowness of it.
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Post by forestfan on May 11, 2011 22:02:26 GMT -5
The cover for me..the artwork is very dark/boring/un-imaginative
its the worst youd have to say for an Oasis album
Noel said before the album that the tunes were mostly up...well its defo SOTSOG part 2 in regard to mood for me
If the album had a nice Happy mondays type cover...colourful i should say... then maybe I could like the album more
but the tunes + the album artwork become inseparable and when I think of HC I think of 3/5...5/10..Half-way effort
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Post by Rifles on May 11, 2011 22:12:26 GMT -5
It sounds very uninspired and Liam's vocals sound pretty bad in a lot of places. That said, HIABP is not a bad song and neither is FON despite all the "dad rock" complaints. If I had to sum up the sound of HC i would say "flat". It lacks energy in the playing. Albums like DM, BHN, DOYS are full of energy, HC ehhhhh not so much.
** also, can someone please explain to me what in the hell everyone enjoys so much about Thank You for the Good Times? I don't think I've ever once made it all the way through that song. It's horribly boring and Liam sounds awful on it. What's the big deal? I don't get it.
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Post by NYR on May 11, 2011 22:19:34 GMT -5
you know paint by numbers? this album is oasis by numbers. (well, noel's songs, anyway.)
it's uninspired, produced terribly. in other words, it's shit.
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Post by thuperthonic on May 11, 2011 22:36:50 GMT -5
* also, can someone please explain to me what in the hell everyone enjoys so much about Thank You for the Good Times? I don't think I've ever once made it all the way through that song. It's horribly boring and Liam sounds awful on it. What's the big deal? I don't get it. Agreed. It's down there with the worst of the worst. People talk about Oasis-by-numbers...this is NoWaySis-by-numbers in comparison!
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Post by mkoasis on May 12, 2011 0:05:24 GMT -5
I won't go through a track by track, but I agree it is underrated. It is OAsis least best album IMO but it is still a good album, far better than U2's Al That you Can't LEave Behind, which I find to be a similar type of album. Both were sort of regarded as comeback/return to form records, very popular with casual fans, and both regarded as retreading odl ground and former glories.
I don't like the production on much of the HC songs (its fine on SB, SIL but could be a lto better on all the others) but I think the songs show their true strength live. The HC tour was one of the best they ever gave us, and certainly the best in the second half of their career.
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Post by Heebeejeebies on May 12, 2011 2:06:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get the hate for it either. People on this forum are so nit-picky and negative. HC's definitely better than SOTSoG, in my opinion. It's such an upbeat record and great fun to sing along with. It has a couple classic tunes on it, which most albums by most artists do not have, and at its worst it still remains enjoyable to listen to, because (I think) the band had a lot of fun making it. A few of the songs don't have the most thoughtful lyrics, but that's probably because it's such a carefree record. Noel gets most thoughtful when he's sad, it seems. Lyrically, I think Little By Little is brilliant, and Songbird was the tune that first made me take notice of Oasis.
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Post by NowhereLad on May 12, 2011 5:22:29 GMT -5
Yeah it gets a lot of hate on here. For me I'd rather listen to it than listen through SOTSOG, BHN, DBTT and DOYS. I don't understand all the shit production jibes either because I don't think any Oasis record has had particularly good production. Certainly not BHN and Sardy is about the blandest producer out there. DBTT and DOYS is nearer to Nickelback than HC. I would rate SOTSOG as the most uninspired and dull record Oasis have released. HC is a very positive up record while SOTSOG has a load of mid to slow tempo songs with all that awful synthetic sounding choir singing.
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Post by rupertg on May 12, 2011 5:23:23 GMT -5
I agree this is Oasis by numbers. At least on SOTSOG Oasis were a bit experimental, the production was excellent, and it had better b-sides.
This album started the trend of Noel singing 3 songs per album and Liam writing 3 songs an album. To me personally it's for the worst. Noel should only sing 2 songs at the most and Liam to have 2 songs per album.
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Post by rupertg on May 12, 2011 5:25:43 GMT -5
Joy Division anyone? kinda weird on a 'upbeat' album
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Post by manualex on May 12, 2011 8:33:04 GMT -5
Well if they went ahead the times in SOTSOG they came back with HC to '93 and the tunes werent there besides the two first singles and SB and thats why you dont produce your albums on your own...
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 8:49:56 GMT -5
Is there anyone here who honestly did not like the album at first listen? Hell, I was all over listening to this album on repeat for like a month straight. Some of the shite tunes are chill enough to make for some good background noise whilst doing other things, and the 5 or 6 quality tracks make up for those ones.
Sure, I skip the tracks that lack luster to me when I listen to it now, but I'm not going to call it out as shite simply because over the years the album has lost some of its initial luster. Polish it up, put it on, and try to remember the first time you jammed it. It's not all bad.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 12, 2011 11:43:26 GMT -5
Just because people say it's a bad Oasis album doesn't make it a horrible album. A bad Oasis album is still miles ahead of the rest.
HC is listenable. It's not like it's loaded with several TNOR, AGN, type tracks. But it's so poor for Oasis standards.
I felt very disappointed when I listened to it on release day. And I still can't stomach the likes of FON, BM, etc. Also, the 30min wait to hear a very poor hidden track? That's just taking the piss.
Obviously THT, LBL, SB, and SCYHO are highlights though, but the rest are pretty much unimaginative, insipid, pointless, dull, flat, and lifeless 'tunes.'
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Post by Swarfiga on May 12, 2011 12:26:38 GMT -5
Don't have problem with the production. But I really, really hate She Is Love!
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