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Post by discworld on May 7, 2011 17:06:42 GMT -5
I don't believe in Noel's laziness.
The quality of a video is not proportional to the amount of time that includes the artist.
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Post by spaneli on May 7, 2011 17:16:45 GMT -5
Quality is one thing, but in a debut video, its not the only thing.
The video will be one of the first looks that people will get of Noel as a solo artist. Hard to get a look, if he's barely in the video. He HAS to be in the video. The videos after his debut don't matter, but this one does. A video is meant to sell the music and the artist. Especially' when that video is the artist's debut. He must be in it, as much as possible.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2011 18:06:20 GMT -5
For once I completely agree with Spaneli
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Post by Headmaster on May 7, 2011 18:47:29 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, Noel have to appear on his first official video.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on May 7, 2011 19:41:46 GMT -5
Streets Ahead, Miles Behind
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Post by matt on May 7, 2011 19:55:47 GMT -5
He'll be in it.
By the looks of the setting, he'll probably be sitting in the roadside cafe strumming a guitar and singing in the backround while the actors do their bit.
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Post by songbirdsally on May 7, 2011 20:00:11 GMT -5
He'll be in it. By the looks of the setting, he'll probably be sitting in the roadside cafe strumming a guitar and singing in the backround while the actors do their bit. Totally what I was having in mind as well! |
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Post by talktonight228 on May 7, 2011 21:04:56 GMT -5
Liam doesn't like doing videos either but look at Beady Eye hes been in three already (four is you count SOTS). Its a given if you are releasing your solo debut video you have to be in it. He's not just trying to reach Oasis fans hes also looking for new followers so the video will help put a face to the music.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on May 7, 2011 22:51:58 GMT -5
I can only vehemently disagree with this. This isnt oasis. Noel knows that he has to be exstensively be in his debut video. Yeah Noel hates being in videos, but that is negated in this case. Noel will and should be in his video. He knows that if he isn't then there's no reason for him to even release a video. To suggest anything else to me is being idiotic. Noel isn't an idiot, and he isn't that lazy. He has to be in his own debut video enstensively, and that's it. No if's and's or but's about it. And Noel already knows this. Being in a video won't kill him. Noel has said that he prefers not to be in video, but he has never said that he would not do a video. He'll be in his video and he'll be in it for a significant amount of time, because he has too. And that's it. Your evidence to your point is based on a possibly subjective premise... I generally agree with matt; I'm guessing this would more likely be another Falling Down. It would be terribly boring to make a video of Noel singing with his acoustic guitar for several minutes, it's not a band anymore so that's out of the question. For him to appear frequently it would require some acting, but is Noel good at that or even enjoy that?  |
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Post by gdforever on May 7, 2011 23:50:44 GMT -5
Woohoo...hope it's true!
As for whether or not Noel will be in it.
I understand where spaneli is coming from...but I don't totally agree.
Noels strong point isn't looking cool in videos IMO. Mostly because I think he feels foolish being a dancing monkey. He's a reserved performer and he isn't going to play it up for the camera. They'd be better off doing a really cool visually with actors/animation/special effects than making Noel be the focal point visually. There is precedent of artists that don't feature prominently or sometime at all in their own videos
I think it'll be something like TIOBI or FD...maybe even LBL. Noel will pop up...but just enough to have a presence and maybe not even playing. A cameo almost. I think he'll getting actors that like being in front of the camera to do the heavy lifting and make the effort.
He recognizes music videos as a necessary evil...but he actually has MORE power to say "I'm not gonna be too much in the video" now than with Oasis. Liam looks cool...he sells albums when he comes on the screen.
Liam may say he doesn't like videos...but I don't believe that. I think he likes videos like the ones they've released of him looking the bollocks. Liam like being in front of the camera IMO.
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Post by shoofee on May 8, 2011 0:12:21 GMT -5
Quality is one thing, but in a debut video, its not the only thing. The video will be one of the first looks that people will get of Noel as a solo artist. Hard to get a look, if he's barely in the video. He HAS to be in the video. The videos after his debut don't matter, but this one does. A video is meant to sell the music and the artist. Especially' when that video is the artist's debut. He must be in it, as much as possible. You make it sound like videos actually matter anymore. They don't, or at least don't have nearly the same impact they once did. Videos are largely internet tools now. There's no major outlet for a video to get wide ranging exposure. The video could be a complete abstract and it probably would not effect Noel negatively in a commercial sense. In fact, it would probably serve Noel better to have a video that is more "artistic" as thats the type of video that would get people to watch simply because of the visual content. A by-the-numbers video (i.e. band in setting, rocking out) won't lure in new people. It also depends on what type of song it is. Industry analysis today is nothing like it was even 3-4 years ago and is almost completely irrelevant for comparative purposes because of how often things are changing. The ballgame is completely different in almost every respect because of how unbalanced the revenue streams are and how differing promotion can be. The fact Noel is over 40 is also a huge deal in the eyes of promo departments as you can't go the same method you would promote a younger artist. Noel already knows his fanbase and isn't likely to get anything outside of it. |
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Post by spaneli on May 8, 2011 0:14:11 GMT -5
I would say that to be true of Noel.
The problem is that whenever he releases his debut single/video, it will be hid DEBUT. He can afford not to be in the rest of his videos, but in a debut single video, he has to be in it. He's a solo artist, not Oasis. The doesnt have to be in the rest of the videos for his other singles, but for his debut single, he just has to be there.
Whether just strumming a guitar and having actors or whatever, but in his debut, he can't do a Falling Down, or TIOBI. It has to be more than a cameo.
I mean, you could do something like TSOTL. He was only there for a few minutes to film that, all they did was use the same clip over and over again. But his and the rest of band's images were there througout the video. He can be the focal point of a video, without speaking or acting. But he must do more than a cameo, for his debut.
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Post by spaneli on May 8, 2011 0:18:11 GMT -5
Videos do mean something if you know how to use them. You can do a TSOTL type video and go viral with it. Whether videos still mean something, I won't argue. There's no real way to tell if they do. To me they still mean something and they can still help to sell an artist to me.
Just don't see why it's one or the other with some. That you can't have and abstract video with Noel as a focal point. Because it's not one or the other. You can do both. You can have him as a focal point, not act or anything, and still be abstract.
It's called being creative.
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Post by shoofee on May 8, 2011 0:34:05 GMT -5
I would say that to be true of Noel. The problem is that whenever he releases his debut single/video, it will be hid DEBUT. He can afford not to be in the rest of his videos, but in a debut single video, he has to be in it. He's a solo artist, not Oasis. The doesnt have to be in the rest of the videos for his other singles, but for his debut single, he just has to be there. Whether just strumming a guitar and having actors or whatever, but in his debut, he can't do a Falling Down, or TIOBI. It has to be more than a cameo. I mean, you could do something like TSOTL. He was only there for a few minutes to film that, all they did was use the same clip over and over again. But his and the rest of band's images were there througout the video. He can be the focal point of a video, without speaking or acting. But he must do more than a cameo, for his debut. I think he will probably be in it, but whether or not he is won't hurt anything. At the end of the day its irrelevant whether or not he appears in the video, which is the crux of what Im saying to you. The majority of people who will actually see it probably already know who he is, especially in the UK market which is much more important to Noel. Noel is known by all generations over there. He's ubiquitous. In the American market, the video means so little nowadays. Its mostly an internet marketing tool that is mostly used on a splash page for a web site and for getting hits on Youtube as theres usually ads attached, especially in respect to older artists. Noel is also not a complete unknown here. There is no TRL that Noel would be able to be on even if that show was still popular. Even the VH1 video shows are all but dead. What you said would have relevance if this was the late 90s. Pre-internet boom in relation with the music industry. Its a completely different world now especially in the way of promotion. A video doesnt mean as much. Its still meaningful, but to someone in Noel's position it means less than it does to other demographic targets. The fact is, a visually impactful video is far more likely to lure in Noel's demographic who wouldn't pay attention to a video with a 40+ year old guy milling about otherwise. He's not a universal sex symbol and his fanbase is older now as well. In that sort of piece, he wouldnt need to be in it. |
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Post by gdforever on May 8, 2011 0:36:13 GMT -5
There is no must about it.
If they come up with a clever idea and the song is good it won't matter that he isn't in it a ton.
I fact ANY video that is new visually simulating regardless of Noel's presence will do the trick.
I don't get what your obsession with him being the focal point of the video. Anyone that doesn't recognize his voice OR his name isn't going to be swayed by his face. No offense to Noel...but he is a middle aged man...not the thing the set girls hearts aflutter or make the boys slackjawed with idolatry.
Noels strength is going to be his songs NOT his visual appeal.
Something in the spirit of TIOBI or the videos that were done for his collaborations with the Chemical Brother would stand and infinitly better chance of goof viral than something like TSOTL. And that is the BEST thing that could happen for Noel. Music videos are dead except online
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Post by shoofee on May 8, 2011 0:36:37 GMT -5
Videos do mean something if you know how to use them. You can do a TSOTL type video and go viral with it. Just don't see why it's one or the other with some. That you can't have and abstract video without Noel as a focal point. Because it's not one or the other. You can do both. It's called being creative. You can also go viral and be creative while not having the man in it. Some of the best videos ever made do not feature the artist in any way. Its not a matter of one or the other. You're going on and on that he HAS to be in it. He doesnt have to be in it for it to accomplish what they're setting out to do with a video. Abstract is also probably not the right word. It could just as well be a cinematic piece with actors and such. The point is, him being a part of it outside of the music is not a necessity. |
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Post by Heebeejeebies on May 8, 2011 2:49:12 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Spaneli, in that I think he will definitely appear in the video, though I don't think he'll necessarily be front and centre the entire time, especially if they're using this 'Club Ed' as a location. A place like that is a personality all its own and is going to have a lot of camera time! No, Noel isn't a 'face' like Liam, he doesn't have that magnetism that attracts people visually from the get-go, but I think he has enough pride in his work/ego to want to say 'I'm the author of this' by showing his face in the video.
Also, you guys are saying video is dead except on the internet, but do you realise how powerful the internet is? Internet is the new TV for young people, the way TV was the new radio back when it arrived on the scene.
I personally prefer a music video with the artist(s) in it, because then at least I can see who is responsible for what I'm hearing, and possibly see the level of passion/performance style of the artist. Some music videos without the artist are good, but many are total crap. The Stand By Me video is an example of an annoying video in which the artists made only a small appearance and the video makers were allowed to run wild with a pointless concept.
I think the best music videos are ones that feature the artist prominently when said artist is an interesting personality and gets fully involved with the art direction/plot/etc of the video, like Bowie's Ashes To Ashes video, for example. Never get tired of that one. Noel is bright and interesting as a person, and I think if he were arsed he could come up with clever, very 'Noelly' video ideas instead of letting other people decide how things will be presented. But that's the question, whether he'd ever be bothered to do it.
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Post by deasy on May 8, 2011 3:02:08 GMT -5
Quality is one thing, but in a debut video, its not the only thing. The video will be one of the first looks that people will get of Noel as a solo artist. Hard to get a look, if he's barely in the video. He HAS to be in the video. The videos after his debut don't matter, but this one does. A video is meant to sell the music and the artist. Especially' when that video is the artist's debut. He must be in it, as much as possible. You make it sound like videos actually matter anymore. They don't, or at least don't have nearly the same impact they once did. Videos are largely internet tools now. There's no major outlet for a video to get wide ranging exposure. The video could be a complete abstract and it probably would not effect Noel negatively in a commercial sense. In fact, it would probably serve Noel better to have a video that is more "artistic" as thats the type of video that would get people to watch simply because of the visual content. A by-the-numbers video (i.e. band in setting, rocking out) won't lure in new people. It also depends on what type of song it is. Industry analysis today is nothing like it was even 3-4 years ago and is almost completely irrelevant for comparative purposes because of how often things are changing. The ballgame is completely different in almost every respect because of how unbalanced the revenue streams are and how differing promotion can be. The fact Noel is over 40 is also a huge deal in the eyes of promo departments as you can't go the same method you would promote a younger artist. Noel already knows his fanbase and isn't likely to get anything outside of it. Bit of a contradiction in that sentence  Aren't you forgetting about how massive youtube is and the fact that video streaming counts towards the USA chart ;D |
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Post by metaltiger on May 8, 2011 3:36:37 GMT -5
God, this argument is so stupid. Of course is going to be playing a lead role in the fucking video. Now, STFU.
Do you guys remember he mentioned in an interview that he loved clint eastwood movies, and said he could probably have played his role in a movie. Maybe he's living that fantasy out now..
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Post by thomas09 on May 8, 2011 4:23:04 GMT -5
the music video is a dead medium now, it has no importance whatsoever to how well a single does because guess what... the single is also a dead medium!  and no offence metaltiger, but the prospect of noel standing in the desert saying "you've got to ask yourself one question, are you feeling lucky?" isn't somethin that excites me one bit |
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Post by Leezy on May 8, 2011 6:42:51 GMT -5
Noel would have to dress up in bra and thong with his arse cheeks hanging out whilst beating up a priest for it to have any kind of impact these days. Just look at Lady Gaga or Rihanna, if your prancing around in pants with your gash hanging out the sides then the kids might just actually watch it.
Seriously though, if this is all true n this is the location of Noels new vid then yeah, would definitely be him sitting a corner playing his acoustic looking lonely, whilst all the action will be coming from other characters (cowboys?) in the video. Really think Noel should start looking for a permanent backing band, not necessarily a band, just a group of familiar faces (like Paul Wellers for instance) that can join him in videos as well as just the tours...
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Post by gdforever on May 8, 2011 8:40:29 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Spaneli, in that I think he will definitely appear in the video, though I don't think he'll necessarily be front and centre the entire time, especially if they're using this 'Club Ed' as a location. A place like that is a personality all its own and is going to have a lot of camera time! No, Noel isn't a 'face' like Liam, he doesn't have that magnetism that attracts people visually from the get-go, but I think he has enough pride in his work/ego to want to say 'I'm the author of this' by showing his face in the video. Also, you guys are saying video is dead except on the internet, but do you realise how powerful the internet is? I think you are a bit confused. Spaneli is the one saying that he is going to have to be front and center in the video. He is saying that he can't just do a tiny part. I suggested that probably he could do a smaller cameo appearance or a video small snippet while something else takes the main focus. As for the power of the Internet. That is the point...and artist doesn't make a massive impact on the internet because he has a name. A big artist used to be able to get airtime and people WOULD see their videos because they played on a TV station. The Internet is viewer driven. If nobody thinks it's interesting, people that aren't already fans won't make a point to watch it. The Internet could really work in Noel's favor if something he did went viral...and Noel's simply preforming isn't going to go viral. Music videos need to be attention grabbing because on YouTube it is competing with insanity. A good concept is a good concept and it doesn't matter if it involves Noel showing his face for it. There is no must for this video other than it has to be good. Noel didn't care about videos since the beginning. He never has. He is never going to make the effort or put himself out or get incredibly involved IMO. I don't think his attitude is going to change immensely. For the TF commentary he never seems impressed to see him on the screen. One of the videos he is most complementary towards is TIOBI. I think that is the type of route he'll go. |
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Post by shoofee on May 8, 2011 10:44:35 GMT -5
Aren't you forgetting about how massive youtube is and the fact that video streaming counts towards the USA chart ;D You'll see that I mentioned Youtube. And its besides the point. The argument was spaneli stating that Noel HAS TO appear in this video for some particular reason, when that is not true. Its a completely useless argument. Noel's appearance will affect the video neither negatively or positively. An impactful video can be made with or without him "starring" in it. And regardless, Youtube is very powerful but the views generated aren't going to be determined by Noel's appearance. The music will be what "sells" it. If it was based on visuals alone, something different from the norm is more likely to get interest. |
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Post by gdforever on May 8, 2011 12:26:15 GMT -5
Aren't you forgetting about how massive youtube is and the fact that video streaming counts towards the USA chart ;D You'll see that I mentioned Youtube. And its besides the point. The argument was spaneli stating that Noel HAS TO appear in this video for some particular reason, when that is not true. Its a completely useless argument. Noel's appearance will affect the video neither negatively or positively. An impactful video can be made with or without him "starring" in it. And regardless, Youtube is very powerful but the views generated aren't going to be determined by Noel's appearance. The music will be what "sells" it. If it was based on visuals alone, something different from the norm is more likely to get interest. Very true. |
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Post by gaspanic23 on May 8, 2011 13:14:45 GMT -5
I don't really care about the video's context, even if he sat on a rocking chair wearing some large cowboy hat chewing tobacco and playing a fucking banjo that's fine by me.. Just RELEASE THE DAMN SINGLE FFS!
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