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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 3, 2012 17:39:58 GMT -5
Jobs? Obama didn't build that! #8.3%
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 17:41:01 GMT -5
Romney is getting quite alot of grief in UK Media over his visit..
Just thought you'd like to know, Nigel
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Post by spaneli on Aug 3, 2012 21:09:39 GMT -5
Jobs? Obama didn't build that! #8.3% Ohio unemployment rate: 7.3% and dropping for 10 straight months Virginia unemployment rate: 5.6% Wisconsin unemployment rate: 6.8% Minnesota unemployment rate: 5.6% All states that Romney needs to win in order to be elected, but is struggling and losing ground in and ones that he will lose if their economies continue their upward surge. Yep, Obama built that.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 4, 2012 8:02:32 GMT -5
Jobs? Obama didn't build that! #8.3% Ohio unemployment rate: 7.3% and dropping for 10 straight months Virginia unemployment rate: 5.6% Wisconsin unemployment rate: 6.8% Minnesota unemployment rate: 5.6% All states that Romney needs to win in order to be elected, but is struggling and losing ground in and ones that he will lose if their economies continue their upward surge. Yep, Obama built that. those figures probably weren't reported on FOX News. God bless.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 4, 2012 8:35:09 GMT -5
Jobs? Obama didn't build that! #8.3% Ohio unemployment rate: 7.3% and dropping for 10 straight months Virginia unemployment rate: 5.6% Wisconsin unemployment rate: 6.8% Minnesota unemployment rate: 5.6% All states that Romney needs to win in order to be elected, but is struggling and losing ground in and ones that he will lose if their economies continue their upward surge. Yep, Obama built that. He'll win VA. He doesn't need Wisconsin nor Minnesota. Ohio is important, as usual, though.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 4, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -5
Ohio unemployment rate: 7.3% and dropping for 10 straight months Virginia unemployment rate: 5.6% Wisconsin unemployment rate: 6.8% Minnesota unemployment rate: 5.6% All states that Romney needs to win in order to be elected, but is struggling and losing ground in and ones that he will lose if their economies continue their upward surge. Yep, Obama built that. He'll win VA. He doesn't need Wisconsin nor Minnesota. Ohio is important, as usual, though. He needs Wisconsin and Minnesota. If Obama carries Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, which it seems very likely that he will, then he's Ohio and another state that's not named New Hampshire away from being reelected. It's simple math. Romney needs to take one of the three. If Obama takes all three, then it becomes a lot more easier for him to be reelected. And again, if unemployment continues its steady drop in Ohio, then Obama will win that state. The map and math don't add up toward Romney RIGHT NOW. Still 3 months to go obviously, but if I were the Romney campaign looking at that map, I'd be worried. The map looks too good for Obama and so does the unemployment rate in states that he needs to win. The Romney campaign has to hope that somehow the economies in these states slow down like the rest of the country. If not, then it's very hard to see a path for Romney to victory. Yes it's the economy stupid, but all politics are local.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 4, 2012 8:54:57 GMT -5
He'll win VA. He doesn't need Wisconsin nor Minnesota. Ohio is important, as usual, though. He needs Wisconsin and Minnesota. If Obama carries Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, which it seems very likely that he will, then he's Ohio and another state that's not named New Hampshire away from being reelected. It's simple math. Romney needs to take one of the three. If Obama takes all three, then it becomes a lot more easier for him to be reelected. And again, if unemployment continues its steady drop in Ohio, then Obama will win that state. The map and math don't add up toward Romney RIGHT NOW. Still 3 months to go obviously, but if I were the Romney campaign looking at that map, I'd be worried. The map looks too good for Obama and so does the unemployment rate in states that he needs to win. The Romney campaign has to hope that somehow the economies in these states slow down like the rest of the country. If not, then it's very hard to see a path for Romney to victory. Yes it's the economy stupid, but all politics are local. But look at his approval ratings by state: www.gallup.com/poll/156389/Thirteen-States-Give-Obama-Majority-Approval.aspxOf the ones you mentioned: Minnesota - 50% Michigan - 49% Wisconsin - 49% VA - 46% Ohio - 44% New Hampshire - 43% Hardly inspiring stuff, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 9:13:33 GMT -5
NL4E wanks over polls but doesn't vote
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Post by spaneli on Aug 4, 2012 9:17:57 GMT -5
He needs Wisconsin and Minnesota. If Obama carries Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, which it seems very likely that he will, then he's Ohio and another state that's not named New Hampshire away from being reelected. It's simple math. Romney needs to take one of the three. If Obama takes all three, then it becomes a lot more easier for him to be reelected. And again, if unemployment continues its steady drop in Ohio, then Obama will win that state. The map and math don't add up toward Romney RIGHT NOW. Still 3 months to go obviously, but if I were the Romney campaign looking at that map, I'd be worried. The map looks too good for Obama and so does the unemployment rate in states that he needs to win. The Romney campaign has to hope that somehow the economies in these states slow down like the rest of the country. If not, then it's very hard to see a path for Romney to victory. Yes it's the economy stupid, but all politics are local. But look at his approval ratings by state: www.gallup.com/poll/156389/Thirteen-States-Give-Obama-Majority-Approval.aspxOf the ones you mentioned: Minnesota - 50% Michigan - 49% Wisconsin - 49% VA - 46% Ohio - 44% New Hampshire - 43% Hardly inspiring stuff, is it? Those are interesting numbers. But do you know what are even more interesting numbers? Ohio unemployment rate: 7.3% and dropping for 10 straight months Virginia unemployment rate: 5.6% Wisconsin unemployment rate: 6.8% Minnesota unemployment rate: 5.6% New Hampshire unemployment rate: 5% Michighan unemployment rate: 8.5% (seems very high, but as of August of 2009 their unemployment rate was 14.2%. That's a near 6 point drop in 3 years) It's the economy, stupid. You can't continually make the case that economy will due him in and then someone shows you some good unemployment rates in states that he's ahead in and needs to win and then run away from it NL4E. In the end, if the economy continues to improve in those states at the rate they've been improving, then Obama will win. If the map looks like this on election day he will win: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.htmlI cannot stress this enough, if I were in the Romney campaign looking at that electoral map, I'd be worried. The math is getting harder and harder, yet easier and easier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 9:18:56 GMT -5
3 is the magic number, i win
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 9:56:57 GMT -5
is it true that romney pays as much US tax as i do?
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 4, 2012 10:23:02 GMT -5
i'm Let It Bleed and i approve my message.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 10:53:17 GMT -5
i'm Let It Bleed and i approve my message. God bless. If Clint Eastwood doen't endorse you, you are nobody.
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Post by NYR on Aug 4, 2012 19:21:23 GMT -5
is it true that romney pays as much US tax as i do? we won't know until he releases his tax returns, which he has refused to do.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 4, 2012 19:27:51 GMT -5
is it true that romney pays as much US tax as i do? we won't know until he releases his tax returns, which he has refused to do. You know no matter what he pays, he's doing so legally.....Ah, the birther issue of the Democratic party. Does it feel cathartic?
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Post by spaneli on Aug 4, 2012 19:54:37 GMT -5
we won't know until he releases his tax returns, which he has refused to do. You know no matter what he pays, he's doing so legally.....Ah, the birther issue of the Democratic party. Does it feel cathartic? Two completely separate issues. Tax returns and money earned is fair game and have always been fair game: check John Kerry (one of the few elections where a spouse had to release her tax returns). It's why Presidential candidates have continually released their tax returns during election season. Because they know it's fair game. Obama has continually been question whether he's "American", while opponents have questioned if he understands America, and whether he's the legitimate President. Let me say that again, the President of the United States has to prove that he's American enough to be President. It's one thing for a campaign, it's another thing when the person is in office. The birther issue will probably follow Obama for the rest of his life because there will always be people who will not believe that a black guy whose dad is from Kenya is President. The same can't be said of Romney's tax returns. And Romney can end the tax return debate anytime if he so chooses (as many, including Conservatives have pointed out and have recommended). Obama can't end his birther issue. Literally, 2 completely separate issues.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 4, 2012 20:01:11 GMT -5
You know no matter what he pays, he's doing so legally.....Ah, the birther issue of the Democratic party. Does it feel cathartic? Two completely separate issues. Tax returns and money earned is fair game and have always been fair game: check John Kerry (one of the few elections where a spouse had to release her tax returns). It's why Presidential candidates have continually released their tax returns during election season. Because they know it's fair game. Obama has continually been question whether he's "American", while opponents have questioned if he understands America, and whether he's the legitimate President. Let me say that again, the President of the United States has to prove that he's American enough to be President. It's one thing for a campaign, it's another thing when the person is in office. The birther issue will probably follow Obama for the rest of his life because there will always be people who will not believe that a black guy whose dad is from Kenya is President. The same can't be said of Romney's tax returns. And Romney can end the tax return debate anytime if he so chooses (as many, including Conservatives have pointed out and have recommended). Obama can't end his birther issue. Literally, 2 completely separate issues. those facts probably weren't explained on FOX News. God bless.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 4, 2012 20:04:53 GMT -5
You know no matter what he pays, he's doing so legally.....Ah, the birther issue of the Democratic party. Does it feel cathartic? Two completely separate issues. Tax returns and money earned is fair game and have always been fair game: check John Kerry (one of the few elections where a spouse had to release her tax returns). It's why Presidential candidates have continually released their tax returns during election season. Because they know it's fair game. Obama has continually been question whether he's "American", while opponents have questioned if he understands America, and whether he's the legitimate President. Let me say that again, the President of the United States has to prove that he's American enough to be President. It's one thing for a campaign, it's another thing when the person is in office. The birther issue will probably follow Obama for the rest of his life because there will always be people who will not believe that a black guy whose dad is from Kenya is President. The same can't be said of Romney's tax returns. And Romney can end the tax return debate anytime if he so chooses (as many, including Conservatives have pointed out and have recommended). Obama can't end his birther issue. Literally, 2 completely separate issues. My point is: What's the point? I was drawing an analogy between the two because they are both so ridiculous. As long as Romney obeyed the law, who cares what his taxes are? He has every right to pay little in taxes if he's legally able to do so. P.S. - Another aspect I don't care about is the college transcript. But GWB was vilified over that, until it was seen John Kerry had worse grades. And yet Obama refuses to release his. As you said - fair game.....
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Post by spaneli on Aug 4, 2012 20:09:26 GMT -5
Two completely separate issues. Tax returns and money earned is fair game and have always been fair game: check John Kerry (one of the few elections where a spouse had to release her tax returns). It's why Presidential candidates have continually released their tax returns during election season. Because they know it's fair game. Obama has continually been question whether he's "American", while opponents have questioned if he understands America, and whether he's the legitimate President. Let me say that again, the President of the United States has to prove that he's American enough to be President. It's one thing for a campaign, it's another thing when the person is in office. The birther issue will probably follow Obama for the rest of his life because there will always be people who will not believe that a black guy whose dad is from Kenya is President. The same can't be said of Romney's tax returns. And Romney can end the tax return debate anytime if he so chooses (as many, including Conservatives have pointed out and have recommended). Obama can't end his birther issue. Literally, 2 completely separate issues. My point is: What's the point? I was drawing an analogy between the two because they are both so ridiculous. As long as Romney obeyed the law, who cares what his taxes are? He has every right to pay little in taxes if he's legally able to do so. "Who cares" and ridiculous argument are part of politics. And tax returns have and will always be fair game. This didn't just begin this election cycle. I don't he think has to release his tax returns either because I don't think it has any bearing on him as a candidate, but it is fair game. What I don't understand is why he doesn't just put this behind him and release the taxes. Release them, do 2 weeks of damage control, and move on. The electorate won't remember his tax returns by election day. Instead, he's left it as an open wound. I really don't get it. edit: college transcripts are fair game too. The difference is that only the crazies want to see his transcripts after he's released every other document from almost his entire life to prove he's American. Even if he released them it wouldn't satisfy them, while Romney's tax returns would end the debate. Though I do believe Obama should release his transcripts. In the end, fair game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 5:10:55 GMT -5
it's not about legality if your policy is deficit reduction you should put some of your money towards it, but i guess as long as he keeps giving millions to his homophobic church then it's all good.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Aug 5, 2012 6:24:12 GMT -5
it's not about legality if your policy is deficit reduction you should put some of your money towards it, but i guess as long as he keeps giving millions to his homophobic church then it's all good. that probably isn't talked about on FOX news. God bless. p.s. i really hope a fucking mormon isn't elected u.s. president.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 11:36:11 GMT -5
Again, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? Maybe the Tooth Fairy?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 14:28:05 GMT -5
Again, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? Maybe the Tooth Fairy? which one of them is involved in sending people to war?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 17:32:19 GMT -5
Again, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? Maybe the Tooth Fairy? which one of them is involved in sending people to war? Easter is technically a religious holiday, so I'd say the Easter Bunny has had more to do with war than the other two. People do some stupid stuff under the cloak of religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 15:11:37 GMT -5
which one of them is involved in sending people to war? Easter is technically a religious holiday, so I'd say the Easter Bunny has had more to do with war than the other two. People do some stupid stuff under the cloak of religion.
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