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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 12:36:28 GMT -5
obama is all surface don't worry your still gonna beat the shit out of people its the american way America, FUCK YEAH
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Post by NYR on Jun 14, 2009 13:07:28 GMT -5
l4e, i'm under the impression that you think our country is russia. a country where censorship, torture, secret prisons and threatening the rest of the world with an iron fist is the right way to go about things.
we're the united states of america. the leaders of the free world. your views are what the terrorists want. it only breeds more terrorists. ask your boy david petraus about that one, he agrees. bush and co. have actually created more terrorists than destroyed.
we have rules. we have a constitution. (check out the sixth amendment specifically.) you may say that these rules are old and outdated, we're fighting a new enemy, yadda yadda yada, but this is what people said about communists not even 25 years ago.
if we want to beat the terrorists, we're going to do it our[/b[ way. we should never, ever sink to their level.
i have an addendum. if you are so pro-war, then you join the army and fight for what you believe. i highly, highly doubt you will, as we've seen time and again how little guts you have. put your money where your mouth is, for once.
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Post by warren on Jun 14, 2009 13:09:38 GMT -5
live4evr in the army? HA! His scrawny ass would last all of 20 minutes at boot camp.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 13:27:44 GMT -5
l4e, i'm under the impression that you think our country is russia. a country where censorship, torture, secret prisons and threatening the rest of the world with an iron fist is the right way to go about things. we're the united states of america. the leaders of the free world. your views are what the terrorists want. it only breeds more terrorists. ask your boy david petraus about that one, he agrees. bush and co. have actually created more terrorists than destroyed. we have rules. we have a constitution. (check out the sixth amendment specifically.) you may say that these rules are old and outdated, we're fighting a new enemy, yadda yadda yada, but this is what people said about communists not even 25 years ago. if we want to beat the terrorists, we're going to do it our[/b[ way. we should never, ever sink to their level.
i have an addendum. if you are so pro-war, then you join the army and fight for what you believe. i highly, highly doubt you will, as we've seen time and again how little guts you have. put your money where your mouth is, for once.If there's a better, more peaceful way to deal with these fuckers then I'm all for it. But so far, no one has found one, and for Obama to risk American lives in finding a better way should not sit well with anyone. Fact: Bush's policies kept us safe. Theory: Relaxing our methods will create less terrorism. When we're dealing with US lives, I'd rather stick with the fact, while possibly exploring the theory before actually implementing it.....
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Post by Jazzvi on Jun 14, 2009 15:32:42 GMT -5
Next you'll be telling me Bin Laden never even existed, that Bush was the man behind 9/11, and that Santa Claus is real. - Bin Laden was created by the CIA. I don't believe the image the US try to sell out of him. It's just another perfect excuse to justify the so called "war on terrorism". I'm sure he hasn't done half of the things that they want us to believe. - There's a lot of people supporting the idea of an inside job on 9/11, including renowned structural engineers and scientists who deny the fact the the Twin Towers could have collapsed the way they did, the "big explosion" statements of the survivors, etc...I'm not saying that I support this theory, but there are many incongruities in that disgraceful tragedy. - Santa Claus was a mythical figure in the northern cultures of Europe until a US corporation (guess who) decided that they were going to make money with that figure distorting the religious origins of Christmas, that's about the time Santa Claus started wearing a red coat. Don't think I really care about what you write. You don't really deserve any attention at all, nor any of your pointless and full of anger threads, it's just that when I'm bored I like to read some stupid arguments to pass the time and have a laugh. You may live less years with that grumpy attitude mate. Relax.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 16:11:26 GMT -5
Next you'll be telling me Bin Laden never even existed, that Bush was the man behind 9/11, and that Santa Claus is real. - Bin Laden was created by the CIA. I don't believe the image the US try to sell out of him. It's just another perfect excuse to justify the so called "war on terrorism". I'm sure he hasn't done half of the things that they want us to believe. - There's a lot of people supporting the idea of an inside job on 9/11, including renowned structural engineers and scientists who deny the fact the the Twin Towers could have collapsed the way they did, the "big explosion" statements of the survivors, etc...I'm not saying that I support this theory, but there are many incongruities in that disgraceful tragedy. - Santa Claus was a mythical figure in the northern cultures of Europe until a US corporation (guess who) decided that they were going to make money with that figure distorting the religious origins of Christmas, that's about the time Santa Claus started wearing a red coat. Don't think I really care about what you write. You don't really deserve any attention at all, nor any of your pointless and full of anger threads, it's just that when I'm bored I like to read some stupid arguments to pass the time and have a laugh. You may live less years with that grumpy attitude mate. Relax. You believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories! 'nuff said!
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Post by NYR on Jun 14, 2009 18:04:22 GMT -5
jazzvi, there was no conspiracy. it still doesn't take away from the fact that l4e is an idiot.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 14, 2009 18:48:40 GMT -5
You believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories! 'nuff said! so what, you believe in fantasy-wmd's in iraq. we all have our package to carry... (oh and i DON'T BELIEVE IN AN INSIDE JOB! only for the record.)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 14, 2009 22:43:56 GMT -5
You believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories! 'nuff said! so what, you believe in fantasy-wmd's in iraq. we all have our package to carry... (oh and i DON'T BELIEVE IN AN INSIDE JOB! only for the record.) No, I do not. I said at the time (2003) it was a smart move to invade Iraq because all the intel pointed to those weapons. Living in a world after 9/11, it was important that we made sure that threat never materialized. Ok, the intel was wrong - but that doesn't mean Bush lied either (before you say it), considering that Clinton said the exact same thing and sent cruise missiles into Iraq in the 90s.
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Post by Jazzvi on Jun 15, 2009 3:35:15 GMT -5
You believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories! 'nuff said! I don't believe in conspiracies, I just point out that many americans do. By the way, you are nobody to jugdge me, seeing how you believe in some things that the ultra-nationalists want you to believe like all this "security issue" to take away your freedom, and it's sad to see that you agree with that and that you have been completely brainwashed. It's easy to see this from an outside point of view like all those who don't live in the US.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2009 3:54:33 GMT -5
You believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories! 'nuff said! I don't believe in conspiracies, I just point out that many americans do. By the way, you are nobody to jugdge me, seeing how you believe in some things that the ultra-nationalists want you to believe like all this "security issue" to take away your freedom, and it's sad to see that you agree with that and that you have been completely brainwashed. It's easy to see this from an outside point of view like all those who don't live in the US. It was your fucking country that cowardly pulled troops out of Iraq after the Mardrid bombing! Way to succumb to the terrorists, I guess your country is brainwashed, too? Guess what, even though you pulled those troops out, Spain still remains a target! Get a grip of yourself, and realize you're the one in the minority on this issue: the Western countries are engaged in a fight against terrorism/militant islam. Don't believe me? Look at how engaged the US, UK, Spain, Germany, and France are in fighting it. The debate over Miranda Rights, Gitmo, and torture are contentious and worth a dialogue in. But for you to deny that there's no international struggle against AQ and like minded groups is just flat out wrong, and not worth me spending any more time on it. Go live in your little bubble where you think you're safe 100% of the time. All I will say is that the day you're mugged, running away from a bomb blast, or have a family member die in an attack will be the day that that bubble bursts.
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Post by globe on Jun 15, 2009 4:00:52 GMT -5
I don't believe in conspiracies, I just point out that many americans do. By the way, you are nobody to jugdge me, seeing how you believe in some things that the ultra-nationalists want you to believe like all this "security issue" to take away your freedom, and it's sad to see that you agree with that and that you have been completely brainwashed. It's easy to see this from an outside point of view like all those who don't live in the US. Get a grip of yourself, and realize you're the one in the minority on this issue: the Western countries are engaged in a fight against terrorism/militant islam. Don't believe me? Look at how engaged the US, UK, Spain, Germany, and France are in fighting it. The majority of people in the UK were against the war in Iraq and still are.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2009 5:24:08 GMT -5
Get a grip of yourself, and realize you're the one in the minority on this issue: the Western countries are engaged in a fight against terrorism/militant islam. Don't believe me? Look at how engaged the US, UK, Spain, Germany, and France are in fighting it. The majority of people in the UK were against the war in Iraq and still are. First and foremost, I think we should clarify what that means - people are against how the Iraq War has been conducted, nothing more. I'd say that taking out a brutal dictator and installing a free society is a great deed, and if it was successful within 4-5 years, no one would be complaining, or "against" it, but since we havn't had that quick success, people are upset (and rightfully so, but no for the reasons you're trying to imply) Secondly, I wasn't only referencing Iraq. All those countries listed are playing vitals parts in counter-terrorism activities from wire taping to the Patriot Act, to infiltrating known terror cells, to rounding up terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and all around the world, to increasing security on public transport, to hopefully sealing the US borders, to even much more extensive programs and procedures I havn't listed.....We're in a fight with these extremists, and it's a clash of civilizations and ideologies. If you deny that, then fuck off to Iran where you can deny the Holocaust happened, too.
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Post by globe on Jun 15, 2009 5:49:39 GMT -5
The majority of people in the UK were against the war in Iraq and still are. First and foremost, I think we should clarify what that means - people are against how the Iraq War has been conducted, nothing more. No, I'll clarify it for you since I live here and you don't. The majoity of people in the UK were against the invasion of Iraq full stop and still are. The majority of people in the UK think we should get the hell out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. The majority of people in the UK have no time for extreme right-wing, self richeous crusaders like yourself.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2009 5:56:26 GMT -5
First and foremost, I think we should clarify what that means - people are against how the Iraq War has been conducted, nothing more. No, I'll clarify it for you since I live here and you don't. The majoity of people in the UK were against the invasion of Iraq full stop and still are. The majority of people in the UK think we should get the hell out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. The majority of people in the UK have no time for extreme right-wing, self richeous crusaders like yourself. Then the majority of the people in the UK would die from terrorist attacks if their government wasn't being so proactive.
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Post by globe on Jun 15, 2009 5:57:37 GMT -5
No, I'll clarify it for you since I live here and you don't. The majoity of people in the UK were against the invasion of Iraq full stop and still are. The majority of people in the UK think we should get the hell out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. The majority of people in the UK have no time for extreme right-wing, self richeous crusaders like yourself. Then the majority of the people in the UK would die from terrorist attacks if their government wasn't being so proactive. You don't half talk a load of pish mate.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 15, 2009 6:29:11 GMT -5
so what, you believe in fantasy-wmd's in iraq. we all have our package to carry... (oh and i DON'T BELIEVE IN AN INSIDE JOB! only for the record.) No, I do not. I said at the time (2003) it was a smart move to invade Iraq because all the intel pointed to those weapons. yeah, falsified intel. and okay, clinton sent missiles but wasn't so dumb to invade the country and start destabilize the whole region. and after all: i am not happy with everything clinton did. unlike you i have my own opinion instead of only representing the arguments of a party or its think tanks. and by the way: george bush also said that saddam had ties to AQ wich was utter bullshit and he knew it. face the truth: bushi agitated and you fell for it. It was your fucking country that cowardly pulled troops out of Iraq after the Mardrid bombing! Way to succumb to the terrorists, I guess your country is brainwashed, too? also not true mr foreign policy analyser. spain had a conservative government when they decided to go to iraq; people and left partys were against that from day one (like in most eurpoean countries). so it is either a lie or ignorance to say that spain pulled out because of the bombings. many people have written that many times. can you please once and for all accept the facts? it's one thing to write eloquent homework about foreign policy, but you should at least know some basic stuff. First and foremost, I think we should clarify what that means - people are against how the Iraq War has been conducted, nothing more. (PLEASE TELL ME: HOW DO YOU COME TO THAT STATEMENT! PLEASE! where did you read this? who said that? seriously, i'd like to know. that would be interesting - cause it's a lie) absolutely not true. people were against the war before the invasion. e.g. in 2002 gerhard schröder won his reelection in germany also because he said NO to the iraq war (among other things, but that was the major part in his campaign).
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2009 10:07:49 GMT -5
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Post by (The One And Only)Jesus Christ on Jun 15, 2009 10:36:34 GMT -5
What does this have to do with the rest of your thread you fucking nob?
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Post by Jazzvi on Jun 15, 2009 15:51:52 GMT -5
Now try to see it from another point of view: more than 3 years to go before the next election. Calm down or your stomach ulcer will eat you.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jun 15, 2009 17:00:46 GMT -5
- Bin Laden was created by the CIA. I don't believe the image the US try to sell out of him. It's just another perfect excuse to justify the so called "war on terrorism". I'm sure he hasn't done half of the things that they want us to believe. lol so he's only responsible for half of the things they blame on him? Like which half? Only one of the two towers? Maybe just Atocha and Santa Eugenia stations? You're right, he's simply misunderstood and is probably a pretty nice guy at heart.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jun 15, 2009 17:02:21 GMT -5
The majority of people in the UK have no time for extreme right-wing, self richeous crusaders like yourself. that's true, Yorkshire and Humber don't make a majority!
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Post by Jazzvi on Jun 15, 2009 17:38:12 GMT -5
- Bin Laden was created by the CIA. I don't believe the image the US try to sell out of him. It's just another perfect excuse to justify the so called "war on terrorism". I'm sure he hasn't done half of the things that they want us to believe. lol so he's only responsible for half of the things they blame on him? Like which half? Only one of the two towers? Maybe just Atocha and Santa Eugenia stations? You're right, he's simply misunderstood and is probably a pretty nice guy at heart. you should be able to distinguish between islamic extremists and bin laden. you can do it if you try hard enough. remember Ms bhutto? she was murdered. maybe she knew too much.
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Post by halftheworld on Jun 15, 2009 21:46:54 GMT -5
does that have anything to do with the latest debate? no? so why are you posting this? i thought we were talking about your profound knowledge of european opinions.
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Post by ToneBender on Jun 15, 2009 21:51:31 GMT -5
That poll must say a lot about Obama's appeal to the country considering the electoral and popular thrashing he gave McCain...
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