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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 19, 2008 5:59:04 GMT -5
Falling Down has some of noel's best lyrics.
''if know what i mean'' however is just lazy and shows live a dying dream is just there as it sounds good.
I remember Paul McCartney saying about ''She was only seventeen, you know what i mean'' that it was a clever lyric because we don't know what he means.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2008 6:02:19 GMT -5
Falling Down has some of noel's best lyrics. ''if know what i mean'' however is just lazy and shows live a dying dream is just there as it sounds good. I remember Paul McCartney saying about ''She was only seventeen, you know what i mean'' that it was a clever lyric because we don't know what he means. Are you mentally inept or something? So "All my people right here right now, d'you know what i mean?" is good because we don't know what he means?....erm...NO
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Post by PsychedelicElvis on Aug 19, 2008 6:13:59 GMT -5
I think the dying dream being lived is the 60's man
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Post by lino on Aug 19, 2008 6:40:56 GMT -5
The problem is often Noel's lyrics that have already been dismissed as pointless and meaningless have plenty of depth - Hello for example is probably interpreted as a basic album opener, when it's actually quite a mature rumination on fame and the changes wrought by the band's success. Similarly IHITIK is an attack on the music press and critics, and at the same time a "prayer" from Noel not to take negative criticism too seriously. Plenty of meaning in both those songs that most people overlook. As for Falling Down? It's vague. Life. Metephysics. God. Faith. There's not all that much to it, but it's certainly not about literally dreaming of death. "We live a dying dream" implies that we/he are misguided and don't realise the futility of life. Quite a downer of a song, which represents the biggest change in Oasis post-BHN. Their songs were once all (almost all anyway) celebratory and (even if only in snippets, were) about dreaming big - the antithesis of then current American music: Tonight, I'm a rock 'n' roll star You and I, we're gonna live forever Where were you while we were getting high? Get up off the floor and believe in life - noone's ever gonna ever ask you twice Hey! Stay young and invincible! The closest they got to being depressive was Fade Away and perhaps Stand by Me but even that's more about uncertainty than despair - "nobody knows the way it's gonna be" indeed. Since then what have we? I don't mind not feeling immortal, 'cos it ain't all that as far as I can tell It's nine o'clock - I'm getting tired - I'm sick of all my records and the clothes I bought today Let's all make believe, that we're still friends and we like each other I'm having trouble just finding some soul in this town And all the time, I just ask myself why we're really here Fed up with life in the city, cos all the phonies - they blow my mind There were a few shining lights, a line here or there in the past three albums that displayed a bit of that early "posi-mistic" spirit but they didn't herald a true return: Now that I feel God-like, there's nothing that can't be kissed I can't sleep, 'cos the world won't wait
These are the sentiments I look for in a new Oasis album, because it's what they do best.
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Post by Rifles on Aug 19, 2008 7:43:32 GMT -5
Falling Down has some of noel's best lyrics. ''if know what i mean'' however is just lazy and shows live a dying dream is just there as it sounds good. I remember Paul McCartney saying about ''She was only seventeen, you know what i mean'' that it was a clever lyric because we don't know what he means. Are you mentally inept or something? So "All my people right here right now, d'you know what i mean?" is good because we don't know what he means?....erm...NO Hmmm...you didn't address anyone else's comments. You just took yet another jab at 'ugottahavefun'. How about actually reading other people's thoughts and commenting on them instead of continuing your pointless forum-feud with him?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2008 8:16:31 GMT -5
Are you mentally inept or something? So "All my people right here right now, d'you know what i mean?" is good because we don't know what he means?....erm...NO Hmmm...you didn't address anyone else's comments. You just took yet another jab at 'ugottahavefun'. How about actually reading other people's thoughts and commenting on them instead of continuing your pointless forum-feud with him? Well, here's my response to everyone else: I'm not over analyzing lyrics here. Lino is correct, Noel normally has meaning in his lyrics. Yes, the "do you know what I mean" part is lazy, but that doesn't change the fact that the previous line of "we live a dying dream" isn't good! Yeah, some of the words Noel puts into songs are done because they fit the melody (see Some Might Say "sink is full of fishes...", or even most of TSOTL!) but when he creates meaningful lyrics, he almost always does it on purpose.....You're telling me he penned the line "We live a dying dream" but had no clue to what that might mean? Sorry, don't believe it. Some of you need to give Noel a bit more credit. He doesn't write stupid poetic lyrics like U2, Counting Crows, and to a certain extent Coldplay. But that's way Noel's lyrics are even better.....somewhat simplistic but at the same time incredibly meaningful, and still occasionally deep but they almost always can be connected to by the average person - me, you, tom, dick, and harry..... So yes, FD is has a few poor lines in it - summer sun, blows my mind - no where near his worse, but the same tune also has some quality lyrics....
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Post by Rifles on Aug 19, 2008 9:20:15 GMT -5
"We live a dying dream", to me, is a really vague statement and the fact that it's followed up with a throw away line with no meaning whatsoever just makes me think Noel threw that in cuz it sounded good. I don't see any real meaning in that.
I think you're definitely over analyzing because you pulled a novel's worth of meaning out of a single line that's surrounded by garbage.
"I tried to talk to God to no avail. I said if you won't save me, please don't waste my time" is a really cool lyric and I feel confident saying that because it's a finished thought. It's not just some vague half-statement.
I don't think anyone is discounting Noel's ability to write good lyrics, because he's written some really awesome stuff. That doesn't mean he's immune to criticism, and it also doesn't mean that Falling Down is immune to criticism because it has a few good lines in it.
Some fans are just more critical than others.
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Post by costello on Aug 19, 2008 9:59:01 GMT -5
He doesn't write stupid poetic lyrics like U2... You mean " stupid poetic lyrics " like those Noel has stolen in Sharpe's poem " A Bag of Tools" for " Go Let It Out "... " Stupid poetic lyrics " like in Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds or Strawberry Fields Forever? I'm The Walrus? Across The Universe? (some of the songs he loves to cover and that, with no doubt, he wishes he had written) Forgive Lennon, Bono & Martin 'cause they have opened a few books in their lives..
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 19, 2008 10:16:37 GMT -5
We live a dying dream is great as there's more than one meaning to it.
To live a dream mostly means to have a great time, and a dying dream is ones that fades away. So living a great thing that fades away....hmmm well that's life.
I personally feel it a throw-away lyric from Noel where he resorts to his contradictory style..''I don't feel as if i know you you take up all my time''... '' it was a sound so very loud that no-one could hear'' etc, it works well regardless
A very positive song in terms of lyrics
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2008 10:37:59 GMT -5
We live a dying dream is great as there's more than one meaning to it. To live a dream mostly means to have a great time, and a dying dream is ones that fades away. So living a great thing that fades away....hmmm well that's life. I personally feel it a throw-away lyric from Noel where he resorts to his contradictory style..''I don't feel as if i know you you take up all my time''... '' it was a sound so very loud that no-one could hear'' etc, it works well regardless A very positive song in terms of lyrics wtf is wrong with you? You somehow claim Fade Away is positive, and now this? Falling Down is in now way, shape, or form positive. The title isn't even positive ffs! "I tried to talk to God but to no avail", "Time to kiss the world good bye".....explain how that's positive? Actually, please don't.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 19, 2008 10:48:31 GMT -5
Falling Down is positive as it refers to the ideas that act as barriers to belief, ''Time to kiss the world goodbye'' i take it you think it's negative/suicidal, well it means saying goodbye to a ''world'' ,thatcher era, and entering another, or even on the grander scale accepting death not forcing it.
'i tried to talk...''just conveys a struggle in belief, he's to-ing and fro-ing in his belief in this song.
But come on ''Catch the wheel that breaks the butterfly'' is one of the most positive,get up and go lyrics ever written!!!
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Post by Jonny on Aug 19, 2008 11:02:59 GMT -5
They're just lyrics. I recall him saying he wrote "any old shit that rhymes".
I doubt they mean anything. They do sound cool though.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2008 11:41:44 GMT -5
Falling Down is positive as it refers to the ideas that act as barriers to belief, ''Time to kiss the world goodbye'' i take it you think it's negative/suicidal, well it means saying goodbye to a ''world'' ,thatcher era, and entering another, or even on the grander scale accepting death not forcing it. 'i tried to talk...''just conveys a struggle in belief, he's to-ing and fro-ing in his belief in this song. But come on ''Catch the wheel that breaks the butterfly'' is one of the most positive,get up and go lyrics ever written!!! You don't get it, do you? For the last time, you have to look at lyrics and the like in context. The melody is very depressing, you'd think if he was looking to the future, waiting to start another era, one filled with promises, that it would be an uplifting melody, surrounded by other positive lyrics. It's not. Thus it's not about moving on, but rather self pity based off of the status quo. Next you'll be saying that POTQ is positive.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Aug 19, 2008 12:24:03 GMT -5
Melody in the chorus is positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Swagger and everything
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Post by henrod89 on Aug 19, 2008 14:24:53 GMT -5
OK. People really are over analyzing this one line. I would hte to see how much text it would take for some of you to interpret a whole song.
'We live a dying dream' was thrown in there more because it sounds good and somewhat makes sense. It's a good lyric but far from a great one. I wrote about this on the first page of this thread.
Some of you need to stop looking so far into this. Believe me, Noel doesn't think about it anywhere near this much . . .
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