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Post by Dominic on Aug 9, 2005 6:49:24 GMT -5
Boy Admits Killing Girlfriend With Jet-Ski
A British schoolboy has admitted causing the death of his teenage girlfriend in a holiday jet-ski accident.James Dudley, 16, was on a jet-ski when it struck Hannah Sutton at the Cyprus resort of Pissouri last Tuesday.Hannah, 16, who went to the same school as James, died from her injuries in hospital.
The boy, from Colwyn Bay in north Wales, was arrested despite Hannah's parents saying they do not blame him.
James pleaded guilty at Limassol District Court to the charge of causing death through want of precaution through recklessness or negligence.
He was taken into custody at the police headquarters in Limassol and will appear at court again tomorrow for sentencing.
The maximum sentence he faces is up to four years in custody and a heavy fine.
James' uncle Rhys Williams was in court for the hearing and said the boy was "shocked" when the judge decided to hold him in cells overnight.
Mr Williams added: "From everybody's point of view, James', Hannah family, everybody hopes that there is not a custodial sentence but there are no guarantees. We hope he can get back for Hannah's funeral.
"We are just now in the hands of the court and hope for the best outcome."
Both youngsters were under the legal age of 18 for hiring jet-skis in Cyprus.
The accident has raised questions about the safety of jet-ski operations as thousands of British youngsters head to beaches across Europe this summer.
Two local men, aged 29 and 45, who run the jet-ski firm were arrested after the accident and have pleaded not guilty. They were released to await trial in October.
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Post by globe on Aug 9, 2005 7:02:55 GMT -5
Man, what a tradegy
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Post by nyr401994 on Aug 9, 2005 18:19:19 GMT -5
what a sadistic fuck. he'll enjoy s&m time with bubba in jail.
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Post by wash25 on Aug 10, 2005 0:24:23 GMT -5
Dumb they arrest the ski-jet guys? WTF is that? When you're 18 you know not to run over your gf with a ski-jet but you're 16 you don't?
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Post by caro on Aug 10, 2005 0:28:27 GMT -5
Dumb they arrest the ski-jet guys? WTF is that? When you're 18 you know not to run over your gf with a ski-jet but you're 16 you don't? because it is illegal to rent jet skis to underage ppl...
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Post by masterplan200 on Aug 10, 2005 0:38:24 GMT -5
God, and what's the legal age?
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Post by caro on Aug 10, 2005 0:41:31 GMT -5
Both youngsters were under the legal age of 18 for hiring jet-skis in Cyprus. 18 is the legal age...
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Post by wash25 on Aug 10, 2005 0:42:39 GMT -5
Ya...that's my point. Why that the legal age for f-ing jet skis? I mean, what's the logic there? When you're 18 you know not to run over your gf with a jet ski but when you're 16 you don't?
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Post by caro on Aug 10, 2005 0:45:09 GMT -5
Ya...that's my point. Why that the legal age for f-ing jet skis? I mean, what's the logic there? When you're 18 you know not to run over your gf with a jet ski but when you're 16 you don't? i suppose because it is the legal age in most countries... the age you become a responsible adult toward the law
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Post by wash25 on Aug 10, 2005 0:49:49 GMT -5
Ya but ok what about rocks? Are you allowed to sell rocks to 16 yr olds? Ya. And bricks, too, ya? You can sell bricks to 16 yr olds?
I mean come on, what the fuck? You can kill your girlfriend just as easily with a rock or a brick as you can with a jet-ski. So how come 16 yr olds are legally allowed to buy rocks and bricks and forks and water which can then be heated to boil, etc. but not rent jet-skis?
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Post by masterplan200 on Aug 10, 2005 0:54:09 GMT -5
Dunno how he got the jetski though
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Post by globe on Aug 10, 2005 10:01:30 GMT -5
Ya but ok what about rocks? Are you allowed to sell rocks to 16 yr olds? Ya. And bricks, too, ya? You can sell bricks to 16 yr olds? I mean come on, what the fuck? You can kill your girlfriend just as easily with a rock or a brick as you can with a jet-ski. So how come 16 yr olds are legally allowed to buy rocks and bricks and forks and water which can then be heated to boil, etc. but not rent jet-skis? How old are you? Im not trying to be funny or take the piss, Im just interested.
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Post by Dominic on Aug 10, 2005 10:09:45 GMT -5
what a sadistic fuck. he'll enjoy s&m time with bubba in jail. what was sadistic about it, he didnt murder her
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Post by globe on Aug 10, 2005 10:11:47 GMT -5
what a sadistic fuck. he'll enjoy s&m time with bubba in jail. what was sadistic about it, he didnt murder her Yeah it was just an accident NYR401994, he didnt murder her in some bizzare jet-ski sex game or something!
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Post by globe on Aug 10, 2005 10:47:28 GMT -5
Just read that the lad got a fine and avoided a jail term.
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Post by Dominic on Aug 10, 2005 10:59:49 GMT -5
his life will be ruined
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Post by feckarse on Aug 10, 2005 12:16:28 GMT -5
Ya but ok what about rocks? Are you allowed to sell rocks to 16 yr olds? Ya. And bricks, too, ya? You can sell bricks to 16 yr olds? I mean come on, what the fuck? You can kill your girlfriend just as easily with a rock or a brick as you can with a jet-ski. So how come 16 yr olds are legally allowed to buy rocks and bricks and forks and water which can then be heated to boil, etc. but not rent jet-skis? Under 18s aren't allowed to hire Jet Skis in Cyprus not because they might attack someone with it, but because they're legally not considered responsible enough to be able to handle it, thus increasing the probability of an accident (and incidently, in the case of this story, there seems as if there was good reason for the law) Similarly most 12 year olds wouldn't try to hurt someone if they drove a car, but the law is there because those underage aren't legally recognised as being responsible enough, and would far more likely cause an accident
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Post by Kamikazi on Aug 10, 2005 12:40:39 GMT -5
Ya but ok what about rocks? Are you allowed to sell rocks to 16 yr olds? Ya. And bricks, too, ya? You can sell bricks to 16 yr olds? I mean come on, what the fuck? You can kill your girlfriend just as easily with a rock or a brick as you can with a jet-ski. So how come 16 yr olds are legally allowed to buy rocks and bricks and forks and water which can then be heated to boil, etc. but not rent jet-skis? That's a pretty bad argument, especially in this case. I don't imagine he aimed for his girlfriend. Further from that, what the hell does bricks and rocks have to do with anything? Just because anyone can get a hold of simple things to kill people doesn't mean anything in this case. Some people murder people, this was more than likely an accident
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Post by Dominic on Aug 10, 2005 12:43:22 GMT -5
it was def, his girlfriends parents dont blame him and didnt think he should have pled guility, it took some curage for him to stand up and admit his faults, it was a tragedy
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Post by wash25 on Aug 10, 2005 12:54:57 GMT -5
But that's subjective init? I mean, I think your argument is a bad argument.
It's like, it was an accident? Ya? So? You can't have an accident with a fork?
It seems to me you could just as easily (or hardly) accidentally stab someone in the eye with a fork, or accidentally drop a giant brick on someone's head, as you could accidentally run over your girlfriend with a jetski.
So...why not illegalize rocks and forks? What's the diff between rocks and forks and jet-skis in that respect?
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Post by wash25 on Aug 10, 2005 12:59:46 GMT -5
I mean, let's look at it empirically. Since the year that jet-skis were first like, created or whatever. I dunno how many years ago that was.
But I guarantee you in that time, more 16 yr olds have accidentally killed people with nailguns, rocks, bricks, forks, knives, scissors, etc. than have accidentally killed people with jetskis.
I mean, I dunno, maybe jet-ski murders are like, big where you live? Maybe it's jet-ski death accidents are an epidemic where you are-- but uh, ya, where I live people don't tend to run over their girlfriends with jet-skis, accident or not.
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Post by Dominic on Aug 10, 2005 13:01:51 GMT -5
because i think nails are more easy to come by than jet skis mate,
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Post by Kamikazi on Aug 10, 2005 13:04:11 GMT -5
But that's subjective init? I mean, I think your argument is a bad argument. It's like, it was an accident? Ya? So? You can't have an accident with a fork? It seems to me you could just as easily (or hardly) accidentally stab someone in the eye with a fork, or accidentally drop a giant brick on someone's head, as you could accidentally run over your girlfriend with a jetski. So...why not illegalize rocks and forks? What's the diff between rocks and forks and jet-skis in that respect? I don't think it's at all as easy to stab someone with a fork than to be in an accident with a motorized vehicle. Especially a jetskit. The difference between forks and rocks is that it would be deliberate. In the case of this jetski it was, again, an accident There's a total difference in the crimes you're talking here. And in any case involving murder it comes down to whether or not it was intentional. This was an accident. In your idea of forks and rocks, that's intentional and thus that would be murder. With a jetski it was an accident and not murder. And anyways, it was illegal for the kid to be on the jetski. But you're talking about making common things illegal. Rocks are naturally-fucking-occuring. Forks and knives are common and what people do with them is either illegal or legal. No ones not allowed to have a fork until they're 18 because then you would be saying that anyone being given Any dangerous object is just going to kill someone with it.
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Post by feckarse on Aug 10, 2005 13:05:57 GMT -5
I mean, let's look at it empirically. Since the year that jet-skis were first like, created or whatever. I dunno how many years ago that was. But I guarantee you in that time, more 16 yr olds have accidentally killed people with nailguns, rocks, bricks, forks, knives, scissors, etc. than have accidentally killed people with jetskis. I mean, I dunno, maybe jet-ski murders are like, big where you live? Maybe it's jet-ski death accidents are an epidemic where you are-- but uh, ya, where I live people don't tend to run over their girlfriends with jet-skis, accident or not. you're a knob, people are trying to have a proper discussion normally people who post your type of crap give up after a while, but you keep persisting for some reason anyway, under your theory we should allow 6 year olds ride jet-skis because they have access to rocks. And that's just fuckin stupid. You have to set a limit for jet ski's, and they happened to have picked 18. The guys who ran the jet-ski place broke the law, and are therefore ultimately responsible for any subsequent outcome
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Post by caro on Aug 10, 2005 13:09:52 GMT -5
I mean, let's look at it empirically. Since the year that jet-skis were first like, created or whatever. I dunno how many years ago that was. But I guarantee you in that time, more 16 yr olds have accidentally killed people with nailguns, rocks, bricks, forks, knives, scissors, etc. than have accidentally killed people with jetskis. I mean, I dunno, maybe jet-ski murders are like, big where you live? Maybe it's jet-ski death accidents are an epidemic where you are-- but uh, ya, where I live people don't tend to run over their girlfriends with jet-skis, accident or not. you're a knob, people are trying to have a proper discussion normally people who post your type of crap give up after a while, but you keep persisting for some reason anyway, under your theory we should allow 6 year olds ride jet-skis because they have access to rocks. And that's just fuckin stupid. You have to set a limit for jet ski's, and they happened to have picked 18. The guys who ran the jet-ski place broke the law, and are therefore ultimately responsible for any subsequent outcome yeah 18 legal age; you can drive, drink,vote and rent fuckin jet skis !!! it's a matter of responsibility toward the law...you're not considered responsible under that age... of course it is subjective but you have to fix an age eh?
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