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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 15:02:54 GMT -5
I live in washington DC area... when 9/11 happened I got a "taste" of how other ppl live (mainly referencing Isreal and Palestine.) THINK ABOUT THAT - this is daily life for them !
EVERYTHING CHANGED .... for example.... you had second thoughts about riding the metro, going downtown... etc. Car bomb cks at my daughter's daycare...
ID check everywhere and new IDs at work... talking to the kids at school about emergency preparedness...
WHEN THE MAIL ARRIVED after the antrax incident.. you felt a bit uneasy... mailmen with gloves on,,, the whole 9.... you hesitated if pkgs felt too heavy.... honest...
THEN we had the DC SNIPER. THAT WAS SHEER TERROR. PPl, THAT WAS MY GAS STATION where one of the taxi cab drivers was randomly shot...I am serious... that was MY MALL where the man cutting grass was picked off.. the mom in the minivan who was shot... 2 miles away.. at gas station.
I remember we wld crouch down at the gas pumps... it was sad. UNREAL.
waking up to the sound of LOW flying helicopters in the day as they searched...
I remember one of my roads being blocked off on my commute with army guys with machine guns..
Random cks of cars esply white vans...
"welcome to the NEW NORMAL" as one NYC friend said in a letter to me...
My heart goes out to all of you in England... it really does.. everything has changed now...
But it will be OK. I wish you nothing but the best and some JUSTICE. Peace, Tam
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Post by Bizzle on Jul 7, 2005 15:07:17 GMT -5
Thanks Tam Do you really have a daughter mate?
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 15:11:11 GMT -5
Thanks Tam Do you really have a daughter mate? yes I do. she is BEAUTIFUL too ! 6 yrs old.. I call her "L." do you know what she said to me yesterday in car ? "Mama ... I have 5 favorite groups... 1-3 were girl groups like avril.... " but #4 was "OASIS" and #5 was "SONGBIRD !" (ahhh ! she goes for Liam ! I am in trouble !)
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Post by Black Rebel Motorcycle Pixie. on Jul 7, 2005 15:11:14 GMT -5
There's really not much anyone can say...
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 15:12:33 GMT -5
Oh other sad ex. of how things changed in DC.. kids panicked and afraid to walk by windows (bec of DC sniper.)
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 15:16:25 GMT -5
There's really not much anyone can say... you are right again Pixie.. but yer presence alone and acknowledgement of the event does say something doesn;t it ?
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Post by Black Rebel Motorcycle Pixie. on Jul 7, 2005 15:17:43 GMT -5
There's really not much anyone can say... you are right again Pixie.. but yer presence alone and acknowledgement of the event does say something doesn;t it ? Yes it's much like the grieving process, you can't really do anything but be there....I think words are not needed here anyway - we're all shocked by it and there's not much we can do about it...
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Post by Currian on Jul 7, 2005 16:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jul 7, 2005 16:37:39 GMT -5
I just feel really sick. One thing I do know from living in London for a while, is that the people who live there wont let this rule their lifes and they will return to normality asap. Terror wont win in London or any other part of the UK for that matter, I can assure you that.
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 7, 2005 18:15:47 GMT -5
i just want to say that while this is horrible, it could have been much worse. consider london lucky (well, you know what i mean)- 40 died from these attacks, while more than 3000 americans died on 9/11.
i don't mean to be a complete asshole (i called every british friend of mine as soon as i found out to see if they were alright and needed anything), but it could have been parliament or a major attraction like harrod's or, dare i say, live 8 in hyde park?
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Post by lionsden® on Jul 7, 2005 18:38:20 GMT -5
The best way to defeat terrorism is not to let it disrupt your life
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 7, 2005 19:02:36 GMT -5
Hi All
First off let me express my sheer shock and complete and utter disgust for what happened. My heart goes out to those people who lost a loved one or who will have to continue life with some kind of mental or physical disability after these atrocities.
I too have spent time in London, and although it didn't work out for me one thing which you can't help but notice and commend is the strength and unity of its' people.
People who sat on the fence will now go one of two ways. They could either imply that by Blair being so heavily united with Bush that somehow that policy has exposed the UK to terrorism. On the other hand, it vindicates the philosophy that extremists will try to sabotage the western way of life and values in any shape or form, in any place, at any time. I for one believe that even more so than ever they have to remain on the offensive. Are you going to tell me that the attacks in Bali relate to its' involvement in anti-terror strategies? This vermin will strike anywhere possible. To me this attack is more intimidating, if less horrific, than 9/11. The reason being that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are too very specific targets against the economical and military infastructure of the leader of the western world. London however is regular, innocent people like you and I taking a fucking bus to work for god's sake. Both attacks are absolutely sickening. It's tough, I mean what do you do? Terrorism will be around for the rest of our lives. It's not like the days were countries openly declared war on each other and villages would sound siren's to raise the alarm that the enemy was about to attack. It's not blowing up strategic targets such as ship-building capacity or military arsenal. It's extremists who believe in death as you or I does life, and their tactics, although very well planned, are downright cowardly. These people know that if they turned up at the shores if Great Britain or the US they'd be destroyed in a matter of moves. All the intelligence in the world cannot allow for someone suicide bombing, or as we've seen today, blowing up transportation.
I'm sure they've planned it ever since the G8's been planned. I would imagine they've thought when all eyes are in Scotland and London's law enforcement is depleted whilst assisting in Scotland that it was a good time to capitalize. As with 9/11, when all intelligence pointed to offshore attacks given the Marine ship and the 2 African Embassies, but then they bounced on US soil. It seems that when you think you might be safe is possibly the most dangerous time of all.
I say stop chasing specific cells and flatten the place. The UK is also the leading country in Europe in terms of allowing asylum seekers from muslim countries. Could they not, as they did here in the US, take our money, benefits and hospitality only to educate themselves and plot inside attacks? I think it's time the rest of the western world and the doubters in the UK and US sat up and realized open forum, politics and the like will simply not work with certain quarters. You cannot negotiate verbally with terrorists you have to act militarily.
- anthmcc
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 19:11:34 GMT -5
sipi tai,
well written, I understand your points...
but still think some level of diplomacy wld help globally...
"they" got lots of disposable ppl to carry out these LOW tech plans... I cld go on...
the french did well with terrorism, we shld use them more as a resource and also get on board more/step up the heat with Israel-Palestine issues.. I am sure you agree. I realize this is a massive task (looking at it historically..)
Need to get to the ROOT cause of problems.. not keep putting out fires or trying to kill a fast growing cancer with no meds....we can;t keep up with the enemy I am afraid currently, as you know this is a movement, it is highly DECENTRALIZED...... hope for the best for all. God Bless the troops.
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Post by DixonHill on Jul 7, 2005 19:13:33 GMT -5
i just want to say that while this is horrible, it could have been much worse. consider london lucky (well, you know what i mean)- 40 died from these attacks, while more than 3000 americans died on 9/11. i don't mean to be a complete asshole (i called every british friend of mine as soon as i found out to see if they were alright and needed anything), but it could have been parliament or a major attraction like harrod's or, dare i say, live 8 in hyde park? so we should feel more sorry for the rich than the poor?
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 7, 2005 19:18:28 GMT -5
sipi tai, well written, I understand your points... but still think some level of diplomacy wld help globally... the french did well with terrorism, we shld use them more as a resource and also get on board more/step up the heat with Israel-Palestine issues.. I am sure you agree. I realize this is a massive task (looking at it historically..) hope for the best for all. I take your points on board 100%. I believe that in many instances some people have one opinion and others another, and the best way forward can at times be somewhere between that. I think that the French, and any other nation for that matter, should be welcome to help with brainstorming and strategy. There needs to be a strong, united front with set goals and paths as to how we can achieve minimizing terrorism (I say minimize as we will never live in a terror free world). You are correct, it is a massive task but let's hope for the good of humanity that leaders of civil nations can go some way to safeguarding our way of life. Diplomacy is of course the first and best option, however if it is ineffective then a leader has the responsibility to do what he or she feels necessary to protect their immiediate interests. I just find it utterly sickening that when the civilized world is congregating to try and further african aid and reduce poverty that something like this could happen.
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 20:10:09 GMT -5
sipi tai, well written, I understand your points... but still think some level of diplomacy wld help globally... the french did well with terrorism, we shld use them more as a resource and also get on board more/step up the heat with Israel-Palestine issues.. I am sure you agree. I realize this is a massive task (looking at it historically..) hope for the best for all. I take your points on board 100%. I believe that in many instances some people have one opinion and others another, and the best way forward can at times be somewhere between that. I think that the French, and any other nation for that matter, should be welcome to help with brainstorming and strategy. There needs to be a strong, united front with set goals and paths as to how we can achieve minimizing terrorism (I say minimize as we will never live in a terror free world). You are correct, it is a massive task but let's hope for the good of humanity that leaders of civil nations can go some way to safeguarding our way of life. Diplomacy is of course the first and best option, however if it is ineffective then a leader has the responsibility to do what he or she feels necessary to protect their immiediate interests. I just find it utterly sickening that when the civilized world is congregating to try and further african aid and reduce poverty that something like this could happen. Dude, you get karma coz you can keep it cool and discuss issues. Live8 very cool. PERHAPS this attack was made bec. they wanted to make a statement as "they" /terrorists DO NOT WANT africa to improve. those countries in africa are SO unstable POLITICALLY, economically, socially plus the aids issues (nothing left to lose) - perfect breeding ground for more terrorists to be born and raised. related : the current US admin. is finally pumping some serious cash into africa. HOWEVER, it is not out of the goodness of our hearts unfortunately. it is because of the above. we gotta try to stabalize some of these huge countries that are potential HOT beds.. but better than nothing I suppose. I am rambling, cheers
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Post by masterplan200 on Jul 7, 2005 20:38:31 GMT -5
What can I say? I'm stunned at this crap
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 7, 2005 20:44:04 GMT -5
I will be leaving you karma too MissusGallagher Hey tell your hubby I want to sit with him over a few beers, I have a few questions for Mr Gallagher lol
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Post by giggergrl on Jul 7, 2005 22:14:50 GMT -5
I will be leaving you karma too MissusGallagher Hey tell your hubby I want to sit with him over a few beers, I have a few questions for Mr Gallagher lol what Noel says GOES ! he said it all in "Mucky Fingers.. His politikal breakthru ! Noel still likes stellas. your truly, MissusNoelGallagher
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Post by Gifford on Jul 7, 2005 22:44:18 GMT -5
the worst thing about these attacks are that they hurt innocent people. nobody can have a prblem with people in general. if they have a problem with the government, take it up with them. but leave those innocent alone.
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Post by masterplan200 on Jul 8, 2005 0:20:09 GMT -5
Found a post off a Yahoo group: How did mankind ever get to the top of the foodchain? > > Some have to have a banner to hang their ideals and insanities from, > and make the world watch them commit crimes in a name they neither > understand nor appreciate... but hang from it they will. > > They claim to be avenging sins whilst committing their own and > proclaim they are standing for beliefs that would not actually > entertain them. > > They take all that is beautiful and wonderful and desicrate it and > deface it and crush it to death replacing it with the angered and > deformed face of their own depravity. > > And the rest of us watch with our hearts screaming in pain for those > ripped from this life, this planet, this wonder. > > > And tears don't seem sufficient. > > > > My thoughts are with all who suffer unjustly, and are taken before > they have had chance to know why, and with those that have lost them > and must find reason to go on.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 8, 2005 0:35:55 GMT -5
shocked, sad, angry, fear and What for?
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Post by eva on Jul 8, 2005 12:57:57 GMT -5
I'm sure there are millions of good british people, as there must be millions of good americans and millions of good arabians (is that how it's said? wathever) Sadly none of them are leaders nor they make decisions
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 8, 2005 13:18:01 GMT -5
i just want to say that while this is horrible, it could have been much worse. consider london lucky (well, you know what i mean)- 40 died from these attacks, while more than 3000 americans died on 9/11. i don't mean to be a complete asshole (i called every british friend of mine as soon as i found out to see if they were alright and needed anything), but it could have been parliament or a major attraction like harrod's or, dare i say, live 8 in hyde park? so we should feel more sorry for the rich than the poor? dix, you know i didn't say that. just think of how much worse it could have been if it was the crowd celebrating the announcement of the olympic games in london 2 days ago, or the live 8 in hyde park. i feel that we all are very lucky that something like that did not happen.
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 8, 2005 13:20:10 GMT -5
the worst thing about these attacks are that they hurt innocent people. nobody can have a prblem with people in general. if they have a problem with the government, take it up with them. but leave those innocent alone. absolutely. that's the problem with violence and war in general. but that's not how it is in real life. people use tactics to scare people by killing innocent victims. look at 9/11, the train bombing in madrid, and nearly every act of war and terrorism in history.
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