martha
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Post by martha on Mar 22, 2023 10:19:52 GMT -5
However I don’t agree with his reaction here, saying Noel’s got making up to do. Theyve been as bad as each other at different times and apologies are due both ways. Also if hes going to bring fans into it, the smart thing would have been to actually call before mentioning them. i agree with your post! Just Noel HAS degraded fans for still liking Oasis AND for just getting into Oasis as well - he DOES sometimes go like IT'S WONDERFUL THAT MY SONGS ARE STILL THAT CURRENT and whatnot but he HAS been a dick about it - Liam generally has always been the biggest Oasis fan out there, which kind of breaks my heart lol Noel clearly did this as to say "he's being tweeting about this for 14 years but he never called", he knew this would be the reaction and played it smartly Nothing to see Yeah... also like, dude, we know his people called your people around the bad divorce times in like 2014... I want a reunion to a truly pathetic degree, I want them to get along even more, but this has kind of been the first time Liam has shown any dignity with regards to that, "my bag's ready" is in a way just talk indeed, but this tweet doesn't contradict any of those statements
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Post by Rolo on Mar 22, 2023 10:22:04 GMT -5
Also a lot has happened since 2017. The whole narrative of "Liam being desperate to get Oasis back together again" doesn't really cut it in 2023. He's selling out Knebworth these days and has 4 no.1 albums to his name, I don't think he's as desperate as he once was.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 22, 2023 10:28:47 GMT -5
Also a lot has happened since 2017. The whole narrative of "Liam being desperate to get Oasis back together again" doesn't really cut it in 2023. He's selling out Knebworth these days and has 4 no.1 albums to his name, I don't think he's as desperate as he once was. I don't think he is either, but that's why I don't believe he's all innocent when he tweets stuff like "it's happening" or how Noel doesn't want it and bla bla every two months He knows what he's doing, Noel knows what he's doing, that's fair but if they really want it it takes both and if it never happens it's probably because of both of them (not that I have a problem with it, it's their lives)
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 22, 2023 10:37:06 GMT -5
It seems like a lot of us are on the same page. Noel knows what he’s saying here, acting almost as if hes never known Liam even wanted a reunion but would have if Liam called. Knowing people would interpret this as meaning “if he’d have called I’d have said yes”, which I highly doubt is the case. As if it was, he wouldn’t have been so against reuniting until now.
I won’t lie that Liam‘s response did piss me off, the approach he took to his reply certainly couldve been better. But the underlying issue is that in these situations, the one who tends to reach out is the one who was most at fault, and in this case they both are.
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Post by alanjwhite on Mar 22, 2023 13:53:11 GMT -5
How very rock and roll of Liam complaining about the “Oasis brand.” Not something I could ever have imagined him complaining about 20 years ago haha.
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Post by Firefly on Mar 22, 2023 13:55:19 GMT -5
Of course Noel wants the reunion. He needs it to pay for the divorce. If this was simply mind games, he could have played this one at any time in the past 14 years but he plays it now. He's got to reunite but he has to make it look like it wasn't his idea. So he puts it on Liam which makes sense since Liam's been 'me bags are packed, me bags are packed' the past 14 years. Suddenly his bags aren't packed. Bottled it. Noel calls out Liam for talking on the internet but Noel's as bad using interviews as his platform. Bad as each other.
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Post by underawaterfall on Mar 22, 2023 14:06:02 GMT -5
Wonder if Noel has a new single out tomorrow
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Post by Mario on Mar 22, 2023 14:23:21 GMT -5
LG fumbled an opportunity to show maturity and reconcile. He always portrayed himself as the one who wanted to make the fans happy and was up for the reunion. This is the biggest indication from NG since the split and LG's reply is a bitter, negative, insulting tweet? GTFO LG.....
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Post by joladella on Mar 22, 2023 14:55:19 GMT -5
To be fair, a remark in an obscure French interview is hardly sounding like a sincere brotherly olive branch either. Of course, Liam should just have kept a dignified silence about it. Which to be even more fair, is not exactly Liam like.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 22, 2023 16:36:02 GMT -5
To be fair, a remark in an obscure French interview is hardly sounding like a sincere brotherly olive branch either. Of course, Liam should just have kept a dignified silence about it. Which to be even more fair, is not exactly Liam like. Itd be unorthodox, but I feel its one instance where Liam probably wouldve been better saying nothing, or maybe a vague “you never know” response. Ideally, Liam shouldve called on the quiet, and then not revealed it if the likely outcome of Noel saying no did indeed occur. Whereas now, hes kinda shot himself in the foot in terms of the world believing what he says. Literally he could call and be rebuffed, but if he then said it online people would just think hes lying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 16:41:57 GMT -5
If they really want to make amends they would do it in private. Everything else is for the press IMO.
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Mar 22, 2023 18:08:34 GMT -5
As soon as I read "Here’s how I see it" I was reminded of this
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Post by thestylecouncil on Mar 22, 2023 19:09:31 GMT -5
I guess this may be Liam's pov on this and why he's pissed 1) Noel is the one who left Oasis in the first place, so if he genuinely wants to get back together, he should approach Liam 2) Liam doesn't want to call him just to get rejected which means he doesn't believe Noel genuinely wants to get back together. He thinks Noel is just talking for pr reasons and/or he just wants to play a few gigs to get a paycheck to cover some divorce expenses and then he will abandon Liam again 3) From what I gathered from some tweets Liam replied to: a) Liam doesn't like Noel's management and doesn't want to deal with it b) Liam is hurt that Noel wasn't there for him when he struggled with his personal life, but Noel expects he can use Liam whenever he wants (now that he's going through a divorce himself)
My own general thoughts on this: They should definitely talk to each other as brothers, heart to heart in private and definitely not through managers. They don't even need to talk about the band, they should just sort out their relationship and be a family again. I sure hope they both want to be a family again and are just being stubborn. I feel like Liam doesn't know if Noel really cares for him? Anyway, someone has to step up and make the first move. If they can both manage to forgive each other and show love to each other again, they can have a discussion about the band - but family first!
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Post by IdlersDreamGirl on Mar 23, 2023 1:18:35 GMT -5
Not to be like that but if someone blamed you for 14 years for something that they wanted to do anyway, refused to even say your name for like 12 years, said they wanted nothing to do with you all this time FREQUENTLY, actively REFUSED you in the past more than once, all while you made them TONS of money and were very clear about wanting the old times back? - it doesn't matter how badly you (and everyone else) want you to make up, THEY should be the ones to call Liam is being prideful and that's frustrating because I want them to be brothers again to a degree I can't even express, but he's not wrong - Noel was 100% just placing it on him and promoting himself, he doesn't want it, if Liam called, he'd get laughed out of the room like all the previous times Liam has been the one begging for and demanding an Oasis reunion all this time. Liam has said countless times that he has his bags packed ready to go. Noel basically told Liam to put up or shut up. Liam proved that he does not want a reunion, and probably never has. But he has been more than happy to string the fans along with hopes of a reunion.
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Post by IdlersDreamGirl on Mar 23, 2023 1:23:47 GMT -5
Also a lot has happened since 2017. The whole narrative of "Liam being desperate to get Oasis back together again" doesn't really cut it in 2023. He's selling out Knebworth these days and has 4 no.1 albums to his name, I don't think he's as desperate as he once was. Except for the fact that Liam has been stating for the last five years that Oasis is going to get back together. He even said this about a week ago that a reunion was happening. So his tweet now totally contradicts his nearly weekly tweet that Noel is going to give in and there will be a reunion.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Mar 23, 2023 2:49:33 GMT -5
I see this shit has made (the top of) Page One of today's Daily Mirror - which the band are seen reading in the Definitely Maybe booklet pictures taken in Bonehead's house. BONUS PIC
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Post by sheisloved on Mar 23, 2023 11:13:01 GMT -5
This is all quite sad and embarrassing tbh
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 23, 2023 12:18:08 GMT -5
Not to be like that but if someone blamed you for 14 years for something that they wanted to do anyway, refused to even say your name for like 12 years, said they wanted nothing to do with you all this time FREQUENTLY, actively REFUSED you in the past more than once, all while you made them TONS of money and were very clear about wanting the old times back? - it doesn't matter how badly you (and everyone else) want you to make up, THEY should be the ones to call Liam is being prideful and that's frustrating because I want them to be brothers again to a degree I can't even express, but he's not wrong - Noel was 100% just placing it on him and promoting himself, he doesn't want it, if Liam called, he'd get laughed out of the room like all the previous times Liam has been the one begging for and demanding an Oasis reunion all this time. Liam has said countless times that he has his bags packed ready to go. Noel basically told Liam to put up or shut up. Liam proved that he does not want a reunion, and probably never has. But he has been more than happy to string the fans along with hopes of a reunion. That would rely on Noel being sincere, which he is isn’t. Obviously. If there was a chance of reconciliation I’m sure Liam would be aware of it through family channels rather than a disingenuous comment in a French interview.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 23, 2023 13:02:16 GMT -5
Liam has been the one begging for and demanding an Oasis reunion all this time. Liam has said countless times that he has his bags packed ready to go. Noel basically told Liam to put up or shut up. Liam proved that he does not want a reunion, and probably never has. But he has been more than happy to string the fans along with hopes of a reunion. That would rely on Noel being sincere, which he is isn’t. Obviously. If there was a chance of reconciliation I’m sure Liam would be aware of it through family channels rather than a disingenuous comment in a French interview. Youve got a point. I remember hearing Lennon and/or Gene are friendly with Anais. But my view is unchanged; this is nothing new on Noel’s part - just using the ongoing “reunion tennis” as a promo tool. What’s a shame is that Liam didn’t keep quiet. By reacting like he did, he took the bait and from now until the day Noel agrees (which likely won’t come), people will have a response for him - “Noel said to call but you didn’t”. Doesn’t matter if Liam was to call and be rejected; the world wouldn’t believe he did unless Noel admitted it.
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Post by ournoel775 on Mar 23, 2023 14:06:32 GMT -5
I'm gonna defend Liam's tweet and say I like his take on it. Noel insinuating it has to do be run thru his manager is indicative of his callousness & emotional removal from Oasis. He sees it as a business proposition. Illuminating Liam's point in his tweet.
Liam thinks of it as...all he's gotta do is tell me brother to brother he wants to make music...not this, get our managers talking BS.
So...I like Liam's tweet. Who knows, perhaps Noel has refused a lot of archive releases because he wants to save that for money-pumping later.
Overall...there obviously won't be any reunion news the next six months as Council Skies gets rolled out.
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Post by powerage09 on Mar 23, 2023 14:28:14 GMT -5
I'm gonna defend Liam's tweet and say I like his take on it. Noel insinuating it has to do be run thru his manager is indicative of his callousness & emotional removal from Oasis. He sees it as a business proposition. Illuminating Liam's point in his tweet. Liam thinks of it as...all he's gotta do is tell me brother to brother he wants to make music...not this, get our managers talking BS. So...I like Liam's tweet. Who knows, perhaps Noel has refused a lot of archive releases because he wants to save that for money-pumping later. Overall...there obviously won't be any reunion news the next six months as Council Skies gets rolled out. This isn't a couple of mates reuniting 30 years after their teenage years to dust off the cobwebs at the dog and whistle pub in Stoke-on-Trent, Oasis is corporation and moves like one. Noel will have the next 3 - 5 years planned (contrary to his aloof attitude). Debbie and Liam's management team will be similar. No band members stay pals forever. In the end, in order to deliver whats needed, they'll become business partners. Jagger / Richards, Daltrey / Townsend etc
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 23, 2023 14:42:30 GMT -5
I'm gonna defend Liam's tweet and say I like his take on it. Noel insinuating it has to do be run thru his manager is indicative of his callousness & emotional removal from Oasis. He sees it as a business proposition. Illuminating Liam's point in his tweet. Liam thinks of it as...all he's gotta do is tell me brother to brother he wants to make music...not this, get our managers talking BS. So...I like Liam's tweet. Who knows, perhaps Noel has refused a lot of archive releases because he wants to save that for money-pumping later. Overall...there obviously won't be any reunion news the next six months as Council Skies gets rolled out. I never thought about mentioning the management, you could be right although its maybe just what happens when a band gets big. But having read some online public responses, I’ll go as far as to say I think perhaps even Noel didn’t realise how shrewd and tactful he was here. Firstly, while Liams said he wants it for years, Noels become the first to explicitly say “give us a call”. Meaning Liam likely won’t ever be able to play that card and offer a truce publicly, without endless “hes been asking, you call him” responses. Secondly, Noel likely guessed Liam would react this way, and it would somewhat flip the perspective, brushing all Noel’s past dismissals under the rug and making it look as if its been Liam angrily rebutting him. But most of all, hes basically rendered it so that reunion-wise, he essentially holds all the cards. By Liam suddenly doing a 180, he could call Noel and be turned down, or not call; either way people wouldn’t believe him. In short, the only way he’ll get people to take reunion claims seriously again is Noel admitting theyre true, which will only happen if Noel wants to.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Mar 23, 2023 17:52:01 GMT -5
I think you have to take any Liam tweet in the context that he shoots from the hip, he isn't the brightest (in the nicest possible way) and frequently fires off without considering the consequences. Whereas Noel has always been more calculated in the way he uses the media.
Liam knows it isn't a genuine olive branch. I'm not sure whether it would be better for him to make the call, suffer the embarrassment of being turned down but call his bluff in the process or to not call and not rise to it.
A better response would have been along the lines of 'If this is a genuine offer I'll happily make the call but via Mam not management', which puts the ball back in Noel's court to confirm to Peggy whether he was serious or not. But I don't blame Liam for taking the 'you're full of shit' approach, he just hasn't (as usual) articulated it well.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 23, 2023 19:09:25 GMT -5
That would rely on Noel being sincere, which he is isn’t. Obviously. If there was a chance of reconciliation I’m sure Liam would be aware of it through family channels rather than a disingenuous comment in a French interview. Youve got a point. I remember hearing Lennon and/or Gene are friendly with Anais. But my view is unchanged; this is nothing new on Noel’s part - just using the ongoing “reunion tennis” as a promo tool. What’s a shame is that Liam didn’t keep quiet. By reacting like he did, he took the bait and from now until the day Noel agrees (which likely won’t come), people will have a response for him - “Noel said to call but you didn’t”. Doesn’t matter if Liam was to call and be rejected; the world wouldn’t believe he did unless Noel admitted it. This is a battle for narrative. It always has been. Noel controlled it throughout Oasis and pretty much until 2017, then, much to his annoyance Liam played it clever. Noel is changing tact but this nonsense about Liam calling ignition is ridiculous and most committed fans will see it for what it is.
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Post by darmin on Mar 24, 2023 0:23:32 GMT -5
I remember Noel saying in early 10s that he’ll reform Oasis if he or Liam had big financial issues. Liam took him at his word in 2015, asking for the reunion when he was in a bad place and definitely had financial issues . Noel said no via his managers and didn’t even bother to do it personally. What for Liam will call him? To be humiliated again? Noel’s just promoting his gigs and single. Noel lies to control the narrative and look nicer. He did it before. That’s all. But Noel stans fell for it of course lol
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