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Post by crisppacket on Jan 20, 2023 9:06:46 GMT -5
Somebody really needs to ask Noel about whether or not Liam wore a scarf on that one live performance. Must know where he lands on the issue. Whatโs this about I need to know pls
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 20, 2023 11:43:15 GMT -5
Somebody really needs to ask Noel about whether or not Liam wore a scarf on that one live performance. Must know where he lands on the issue. Whatโs this about I need to know pls On Liam's performance of All Your Dreaming Of on Jonathan Ross, one guy said it was lip synched, and that he could prove it because Liam was definitely "wearing a scarf" in some of it, and wouldn't shut up about it, even when he was proven wrong.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 20, 2023 13:28:42 GMT -5
And, don't forget Liam's performance on the One Show of the same song where he also wearing a scarf.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 20, 2023 14:53:29 GMT -5
Whatโs this about I need to know pls On Liam's performance of All Your Dreaming Of on Jonathan Ross, one guy said it was lip synched, and that he could prove it because Liam was definitely "wearing a scarf" in some of it, and wouldn't shut up about it, even when he was proven wrong. #ScarfGate
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Post by eva on Jan 20, 2023 16:38:30 GMT -5
sounds like something andy would do (sorry if it wasn't you but I have a vague memory of it)
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Post by matt on Jan 20, 2023 18:03:59 GMT -5
I've always wondered what our fascination with the pair's relationship is. I think part of it is that throughout the entirety of their professional careers, we've never really been exposed to the pair of them having a conversation. The nearest is Wibbling Rivalry, the clips in Supersonic and the extremely unenlightening and dull Lord Don't Slow Me Down film.
Aside from that, its scraps. Interviews with them together don't count as much as they're not conversing or bouncing off each other.
To this day, I still can't imagine what their conversations would be like as a fly on the wall. They both just operate on completely different wavelengths.
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Post by glider on Jan 20, 2023 18:29:42 GMT -5
I've always wondered what our fascination with the pair's relationship is. I think part of it is that throughout the entirety of their professional careers, we've never really been exposed to the pair of them having a conversation. The nearest is Wibbling Rivalry, the clips in Supersonic and the extremely unenlightening and dull Lord Don't Slow Me Down film. Aside from that, its scraps. Interviews with them together don't count as much as they're not conversing or bouncing off each other. To this day, I still can't imagine what their conversations would be like as a fly on the wall. They both just operate on completely different wavelengths. I've always imagined they never talked that much to each other. A "crossing of the rubicon" moment must've happened when Noel got married to Sara. That seemed to have changed things between them forever. They clearly weren't on regular speaking terms in the last few years of the band's existence - virtually non-exsistent in each other's private lives. The split if anything just brought all that ugliness up to the surface for the world to see.
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Post by Firefly on Jan 21, 2023 13:03:17 GMT -5
I've always wondered what our fascination with the pair's relationship is. I think part of it is that throughout the entirety of their professional careers, we've never really been exposed to the pair of them having a conversation. The nearest is Wibbling Rivalry, the clips in Supersonic and the extremely unenlightening and dull Lord Don't Slow Me Down film. Aside from that, its scraps. Interviews with them together don't count as much as they're not conversing or bouncing off each other. To this day, I still can't imagine what their conversations would be like as a fly on the wall. They both just operate on completely different wavelengths. Noel says he doesnโt get the fasciation either as those two never wrote together unlike say, Lennon/McCartney. But Oasis days Gallagher situation is equally fascinating. Oneโs gotta write for the other. The otherโs gotta sing his brotherโs words whether he feels comfortable singing them or not. Thatโs gonna create tension. And when itโs a case of youโre my singer/youโre my songwriter, thereโs going to be psychological and territorial power struggles. Added to that Noel could step on Liamโs territory because he could also sing, but Liam couldnโt step on Noelโs as easily, so that situation was bound to create power imbalance. I find that aspect of them interesting at least esp since they seem to have carried it on post Oasis.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2023 15:01:59 GMT -5
I've always wondered what our fascination with the pair's relationship is. I think part of it is that throughout the entirety of their professional careers, we've never really been exposed to the pair of them having a conversation. The nearest is Wibbling Rivalry, the clips in Supersonic and the extremely unenlightening and dull Lord Don't Slow Me Down film. Aside from that, its scraps. Interviews with them together don't count as much as they're not conversing or bouncing off each other. To this day, I still can't imagine what their conversations would be like as a fly on the wall. They both just operate on completely different wavelengths. Noel says he doesnโt get the fasciation either as those two never wrote together unlike say, Lennon/McCartney. But Oasis days Gallagher situation is equally fascinating. Oneโs gotta write for the other. The otherโs gotta sing his brotherโs words whether he feels comfortable singing them or not. Thatโs gonna create tension. And when itโs a case of youโre my singer/youโre my songwriter, thereโs going to be psychological and territorial power struggles. Added to that Noel could step on Liamโs territory because he could also sing, but Liam couldnโt step on Noelโs as easily, so that situation was bound to create power imbalance. I find that aspect of them interesting at least esp since they seem to have carried it on post Oasis. And yet, despite being incompatible in virtually everything in life, the irony is their legacy will be the combination of their talents to create great music.
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Post by m143 on Jan 21, 2023 15:47:47 GMT -5
They dont really have anything in common besides Oasis they were not close before Oasis
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Post by uboasis on Jan 21, 2023 18:41:24 GMT -5
Noel says he doesnโt get the fasciation either as those two never wrote together unlike say, Lennon/McCartney. But Oasis days Gallagher situation is equally fascinating. Oneโs gotta write for the other. The otherโs gotta sing his brotherโs words whether he feels comfortable singing them or not. Thatโs gonna create tension. And when itโs a case of youโre my singer/youโre my songwriter, thereโs going to be psychological and territorial power struggles. Added to that Noel could step on Liamโs territory because he could also sing, but Liam couldnโt step on Noelโs as easily, so that situation was bound to create power imbalance. I find that aspect of them interesting at least esp since they seem to have carried it on post Oasis. And yet, despite being incompatible in virtually everything in life, the irony is their legacy will be the combination of their talents to create great music. I agree the dynamic is very interesting. For some reason, I find it a somewhat surreal moment when on Born on a Different Cloud, Noel signs the final 'Born on a Different Cloud' multiple times and Liam is not. It's really the only 15 seconds in the Oasis catalogue, where Noel is singing 'lead' on Liam lyrics. Obviously, it's usually the other way around.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jan 21, 2023 20:44:34 GMT -5
And yet, despite being incompatible in virtually everything in life, the irony is their legacy will be the combination of their talents to create great music. I agree the dynamic is very interesting. For some reason, I find it a somewhat surreal moment when on Born on a Different Cloud, Noel signs the final 'Born on a Different Cloud' multiple times and Liam is not. It's really the only 15 seconds in the Oasis catalogue, where Noel is singing 'lead' on Liam lyrics. Obviously, it's usually the other way around.
I agree re: BOADC. It feels really special for that reason, being the only song they ever did where Noel sang Liam's words.
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Post by Firefly on Jan 22, 2023 4:28:12 GMT -5
Noel says he doesnโt get the fasciation either as those two never wrote together unlike say, Lennon/McCartney. But Oasis days Gallagher situation is equally fascinating. Oneโs gotta write for the other. The otherโs gotta sing his brotherโs words whether he feels comfortable singing them or not. Thatโs gonna create tension. And when itโs a case of youโre my singer/youโre my songwriter, thereโs going to be psychological and territorial power struggles. Added to that Noel could step on Liamโs territory because he could also sing, but Liam couldnโt step on Noelโs as easily, so that situation was bound to create power imbalance. I find that aspect of them interesting at least esp since they seem to have carried it on post Oasis. And yet, despite being incompatible in virtually everything in life, the irony is their legacy will be the combination of their talents to create great music. Exactly, the tension was a requirement for the creative spark and the chemistry. Like with most bands.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Jan 22, 2023 7:41:05 GMT -5
I've always imagined they never talked that much to each other. I can confirm in my workplace that sometimes the only coping strategy you have when you have to be in the same room with co-workers, and even collaborate on projects, that you absolutely hate is to ignore them and / or get people to pass messages between you so you don't constantly give and take offence. It's petty but it has held bands and workplaces together. Jagger and Richards hate each other and only talk through their Personal Assistants / handlers, I can almost guarantee this is true. For all the shit that people love to talk about Dave Sardy, don't underestimate the value of a Producer that both Noel and Liam trusted equally, who could referee their troubles, play peacemaker and coax good performances out of them and other 3 band members. Honestly whatever he got paid and whatever his faults may be, I am sure it wasn't enough and I'd never do it even for a million quid. And then they had to go on tour with each other and share the same tiny bus, no escape. We've only seen what they are like in public briefly and the handful of times they interact in LDSMD, Liam is having a go at Noel ("You go lick arse for the NME? - I don't give a fuck, it's all good crack to me") over complete bullshit, gives the impression it would like being on tour with a child. Note there is not one word exchanged between Noel and Liam in the LDSMD commentary (if I recall correctly) which is funnier and more entertaining than the actual film. I'm guessing like the banner above , Liam was on one end of the couch, with Noel on the other.
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Post by m143 on Jan 22, 2023 8:56:01 GMT -5
I've always imagined they never talked that much to each other. I can confirm in my workplace that sometimes the only coping strategy you have when you have to be in the same room with co-workers, and even collaborate on projects, that you absolutely hate is to ignore them and / or get people to pass messages between you so you don't constantly give and take offence. It's petty but it has held bands and workplaces together. Jagger and Richards hate each other and only talk through their Personal Assistants / handlers, I can almost guarantee this is true. For all the shit that people love to talk about Dave Sardy, don't underestimate the value of a Producer that both Noel and Liam trusted equally, who could referee their troubles, play peacemaker and coax good performances out of them and other 3 band members. Honestly whatever he got paid and whatever his faults may be, I am sure it wasn't enough and I'd never do it even for a million quid. And then they had to go on tour with each other and share the same tiny bus, no escape. We've only seen what they are like in public briefly and the handful of times they interact in LDSMD, Liam is having a go at Noel ("You go lick arse for the NME? - I don't give a fuck, it's all good crack to me") over complete bullshit, gives the impression it would like being on tour with a child. Note there is not one word exchanged between Noel and Liam in the LDSMD commentary (if I recall correctly) which is funnier and more entertaining than the actual film. I'm guessing like the banner above , Liam was on one end of the couch, with Noel on the other. They talk to each other a few times during the commentary
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Post by Flashbax on Jan 22, 2023 10:03:02 GMT -5
What about the Lock the Box interview? I don't think it was that bad. But I don't think it isn't that bad they make it out to be in public.
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Post by Firefly on Jan 22, 2023 10:23:43 GMT -5
What about the Lock the Box interview? I don't think it was that bad. But I don't think it isn't that bad they make it out to be in public. Yeah, was listening to an old BBC interview the other other day with them together, which I'd forgotten about. One of those ones where the interviewer can't get a word in. Liam says Noel inspires him but he is convinced he doesn't inspire Noel. Noel isn't having it, says of course Liam inspires him, Liam knows it, he's written songs about Liam. I thought that revealed a lot.
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Post by m143 on Jan 22, 2023 12:48:00 GMT -5
What about the Lock the Box interview? I don't think it was that bad. But I don't think it isn't that bad they make it out to be in public. Noel didn't look at Liam at all in that interview
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jan 22, 2023 13:16:35 GMT -5
What about the Lock the Box interview? I don't think it was that bad. But I don't think it isn't that bad they make it out to be in public. Yeah, was listening to an old BBC interview the other other day with them together, which I'd forgotten about. One of those ones where the interviewer can't get a word in. Liam says Noel inspires him but he is convinced he doesn't inspire Noel. Noel isn't having it, says of course Liam inspires him, Liam knows it, he's written songs about Liam. I thought that revealed a lot. Do you happen to have a link?
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Post by martha on Jan 22, 2023 14:03:11 GMT -5
Yeah, was listening to an old BBC interview the other other day with them together, which I'd forgotten about. One of those ones where the interviewer can't get a word in. Liam says Noel inspires him but he is convinced he doesn't inspire Noel. Noel isn't having it, says of course Liam inspires him, Liam knows it, he's written songs about Liam. I thought that revealed a lot. Do you happen to have a link? it's the Steve Lamacq one when they were plastered! the inspiration bit is in part 3 gotta go on the youtube, there's no playlist sadly, it's all very charming
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 22, 2023 14:04:31 GMT -5
There's one or two interviews with Noel and Liam together which weren't that bad such as the 10 years of noise and confusion, the Top Of The Pops one from that Oasis special they did and what about that CDUK one with Cat Deeley? All of those were quite good interviews.
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Post by Firefly on Jan 22, 2023 15:03:36 GMT -5
Do you happen to have a link? it's the Steve Lamacq one when they were plastered! the inspiration bit is in part 3 gotta go on the youtube, there's no playlist sadly, it's all very charming Yeah that one on YouTube is the shorter version if I recall, they cut some pretty key context bits from that. BBC Radio archive features the full interview. What Noel actually says is 'of course he inspires me, of course he does. He knows he does, his singing inspires me.' Liam for once dead silent in the background. I'll find the link to the full version. Also features the funny 'bed friendly' banter and when Noel says on stage it's just them two that matter. So there's plenty of times when they were being nice to one another at least in the early days. Just got less and less of that as time went on. Edit: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d5j00t. Turns out it's BBC Sounds. 21.30 And the dead silence comes after Liam says does that mean I can tap you on the shoulder for a couple of quid and Noel says No, it never means that. Awkward. Reminder that money issues must also have played a part in their conflict.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 23, 2023 13:25:57 GMT -5
Do you happen to have a link? it's the Steve Lamacq one when they were plastered! the inspiration bit is in part 3 gotta go on the youtube, there's no playlist sadly, it's all very charming Who can forget that interview? I remember taping the whole thing at the time and still have the tape some where.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 24, 2023 8:39:56 GMT -5
I've always wondered what our fascination with the pair's relationship is. I think part of it is that throughout the entirety of their professional careers, we've never really been exposed to the pair of them having a conversation. The nearest is Wibbling Rivalry, the clips in Supersonic and the extremely unenlightening and dull Lord Don't Slow Me Down film. Aside from that, its scraps. Interviews with them together don't count as much as they're not conversing or bouncing off each other. To this day, I still can't imagine what their conversations would be like as a fly on the wall. They both just operate on completely different wavelengths. We live in a world obsessed by celebrity. Look at the attention the Royal Family get even. The bizarre obsession with all the drama in that family. So the fact a family feud has happened in the biggest band of it's generation then it isn't a surprise to see the attention it gets. No other band has comes a fraction close to Oasis in Britain and i don't think they will again. I don't really understand why Noel gets so abrasive about the obsession either. He used it every bit as much as he could during the 90s to create headlines. The label did, they did. It was part of the phenomenon. So to then think he could just drop it and only be asked about it when he pleases is a bit silly on his part. I actually think their relationship was nothing like as explosive or hostile as it was made out for the most part while they were together as a band. I even think around 2005 they were getting on better than ever and it's a shame things didnt stay that way. Then things happened inbetween the DBTT and DOYS albums. I've heard all sorts about Liam getting up to no good long before Nicole found out. Even things about him getting one of Sara's friends pregnant. Whatever you want to believe, something broke down seriously between Noel and Sara towards Liam and it never recovered. There's no way they should have forced another album/tour from it. (Sara should have kept Noel's passport better hidden) It was destined to end in disaster and it did.
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