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Post by Aman on Sept 16, 2021 15:52:04 GMT -5
I'm sure there's been loads of comebacks out there which have been better.
But yeah since the God awful Beady Eye days and then a few years out, he's been great even though I think WMWN is pretty poor. But overall, big success for his age.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 16, 2021 16:08:21 GMT -5
I don’t support the statement that it’s the greatest comeback in rock history, but I do think the level of success was highly unexpected. It’s a difficult thing to qualify, as it’s a subjective topic; however, your post seemed to be minimizing LG’s return, which is why I quoted your post saying it’s “not movie-of-the-week stuff” when a documentary was made chronicling his comeback. A company wouldn’t finance a feature length film if it wasn’t something worthy of documenting. Well, gotta be honest about it, the film was partly made by Warner Bros. There’s a saying often used in Hollywood when a studio puts their power 100% behind a filmmaker. They’ll say for example, “Disney is in the Rian Johnson business.” By 2016 Warner Bros. was in the Liam Gallagher business and the doc was a key part of re-launching his career. It wasn’t that some random filmmaker begged Liam for access to tell the raw story of his comeback because it was an irresistible story. It was a very charmingly made yet savvy promotional film made with his team. That worked far better than it might have because it stuck to a simple story of striving, had an immensely charismatic, naturally funny subject, and came on the heels of the critically acclaimed Supersonic that started to build a new audience thirsting for more like that. Don't think I would call it movie-of-the-week stuff. That usually refers to that certain kind of super-maudlin, tear-jerking TV movie about say the gorgeous skier suddenly paralyzed the night after winning Olympic Gold, or the high-flying executive who after one bender wakes up homeless in the park, that sort of thing. The doc was actually criticized by film press at the time for barely showing any adversity (though it proved wise.) Anyway, I already used the word triumph in both my previous posts but if it didn't come across, I’ll say it again. His comeback was a triumph. It wasn’t guaranteed to be. He took a chance. Other people took a chance on him (albeit with good reasons to believe it could pay off big). It's very cool that he's still getting better and there's reason to hope much more is to come. That's romantic enough for me.
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Post by settingson on Sept 16, 2021 16:17:42 GMT -5
Paul Weller's solo career revival post-The Style Council's demise comfortably outshines Liam. and Bob Dylan has had more successful comebacks than Liam has had parkas. Jesus Christ, That was a comeback from inside a rock. That's different.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 17, 2021 3:10:36 GMT -5
- He was making 6/10 albums with BDI, now he is making 7/10 as solo artist. Nothing special happened there.
- His name is much bigger than BDI and he is singing much more Oasis songs. Actually, BDI didn't play Oasis songs at all at the beginning. Two simples desicions that made him much more popular and made gigs more biblical. But I wouldn't call that resurrection, it's more like that he fucked up and now he is just doing what is normal and what he should from the start.
- His voice. Yes, he made big improvement but I still think that Oasis songs and singing under his own name made him to be successful again. Many people still hate his voice, they hated it when even in 90s. And we fans are there, jumping like maniacs, obsessed with his stage presence that he never lost and singing our hearts out and enjoying mostly Oasis songs and can't even hear how good or bad he is singing.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Sept 17, 2021 3:50:46 GMT -5
- His voice. Yes, he made big improvement but I still think that Oasis songs and singing under his own name made him to be successful again. Many people still hate his voice, they hated it when even in 90s. And we fans are there, jumping like maniacs, obsessed with his stage presence that he never lost and singing our hearts out and enjoying mostly Oasis songs and can't even hear how good or bad he is singing. The songs and the name definitely made a difference but the voice is always going to matter. It's just too iconic not to matter. I expect it would have been a total disaster if he'd come out in his first solo shows sounding like the worst of 2006 night after night. (He certainly had bad shows post-2017 and surely will again -- it's the nature of the beast. And yeah, happy drunken crowds will be forgiving, but you still can't tour the world sounding like you have glass in your throat the whole time without eventually giving people the willies.) He needed to have people say "the voice you loved is back." And they did. Sure there are people who hate Liam's voice -- just like there are people who hate Bach and chocolate and sex ... but I digress. Seriously, though, Liam's voice has become such a thing that it probably matters more in 2021 than it did during Oasis where the Gallagher dynamics at least remained endlessly fascinating. Now it's all about Liam ... except for the 11 ladies who go to the shows solely for Bonehead
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 17, 2021 4:16:03 GMT -5
Yes, I agree and that's what I am saying, his voice is much better and he made few smart and logical desicion. But, I mean, resurrection? Come on... Plus it's not the first time that he sounds great after rest. We will see how good he will be playing his 50th gig in 3 months in Kuzikistan on Kenpao Square.
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Post by tommybravo on Sept 17, 2021 7:12:49 GMT -5
Very credible comeback. Beady eye were struggling to sell out Manchester academy which has a capacity of 2,000. 15 minutes before the gig started they were giving away free tickets on the door.. Now he’s headlining festivals, Finsbury Park, Manchester cricket ground. And between the 2 he was in the media for all the wrong reasons. Noel was seen as the more successful solo artist and now it’s the other way round - even Noel acknowledges this.
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Post by vespa on Sept 17, 2021 12:33:54 GMT -5
His comeback is huge , not all about album sales anymore not that he’s not sold copies because he has , but his gigs have been massive , uk especially but his European tour was possibly bigger venues than oasis last tour?? His American tour was bigger than expected , his album sales , streams downloads etc are more than anyone imagined I think . Using his name helped as he’s the front of oasis but the songs and albums are solid
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 17, 2021 12:57:42 GMT -5
I love both of Liam's albums. As for his comeback it must be the biggest in more recent times at least. In rock music anyway. And, I agree that nobody expected him to be even bigger than Noel.
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Post by tezza198 on Sept 18, 2021 0:51:32 GMT -5
I remember in August 2016, Q Magazine ran one of the first major publications about Liam’s comeback. I remember reading it on the train on the way home from University experiencing feelings of excitement and happiness due the fact that he wasn’t retiring after all but also sheer nervousness and apprehension about it as I thought Liam was really taking a big chance here, his ego, reputation and legacy was well and truely on the line - if the album flopped that would have been devastating for him and us, the fans.
Much to my surprise, As You Were was a massive success and from a personal standpoint, it’s one of my favourite albums any Gallagher has ever produced. Why Me, Why Not is equally as impressive, I could go on about it in detail all day but suffice to say he proved everybody wrong and as Alan McGee was quoted saying ‘he’s almost as big as oasis was’ and definitely bigger than Noel which is something I never thought would have been possible back in 2017.
It’s incredible and thank god because if he was retired on some beach in Spain right now my life wouldn’t be as joyful as what it is today.
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Post by pliolite on Sept 18, 2021 7:02:18 GMT -5
Some important points about BDI demise and the Liam comeback are...
1. Nobody ever really gave a fuck about Gem and Andy or their songs. The mistake was to think people would care when they split from Noel. Their sound and vibe are too rooted in the past, and meanderingly so. This was obviously true of latter Oasis too, and that needed to change. Gem and Andy were IMO messing up Oasis.
2. Noel already had massive songs waiting for the next Oasis record, and used them for solo, catapulting himself ahead and leaving Liam and the others looking 2nd rate, no matter whether they played Oasis songs on the tour or not. The industry was always going to favour Noel too.
3. Liam, with his failing voice and attitude, had already been dropping in the fans' and especially public's eyes. The Liam of the heyday was gone, seemingly dead and buried. Noel walking away from him was shown as him taking the 'higher ground'.
4. Shit in Liam's personal life was the icing on the cake for his downfall, and that really could have been it. Though all he needed was to be reminded of exactly who he was and still is, Liam fucking Gallagher. Debbie was the massive driving force behind that.
5. Liam getting treatment for his voice was fucking huge. He now sounds like Liam again. Nobody could have expected just how much better he would end up sounding! This made everyone sit up straight, the moment they heard Wall of Glass.
6. Bringing in the right songwriters and producers to work with Liam; especially Greg Kurstin, who is a straight-up genius who knows exactly how to bring credibility and life to everything that he does. Greg and Andrew Wyatt coming in sorted everything out. These are the kind of people you work with when you want things to blow up, and boy did they.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 18, 2021 8:33:17 GMT -5
I remember in August 2016, Q Magazine ran one of the first major publications about Liam’s comeback. I remember reading it on the train on the way home from University experiencing feelings of excitement and happiness due the fact that he wasn’t retiring after all but also sheer nervousness and apprehension about it as I thought Liam was really taking a big chance here, his ego, reputation and legacy was well and truely on the line - if the album flopped that would have been devastating for him and us, the fans. Much to my surprise, As You Were was a massive success and from a personal standpoint, it’s one of my favourite albums any Gallagher has ever produced. Why Me, Why Not is equally as impressive, I could go on about it in detail all day but suffice to say he proved everybody wrong and as Alan McGee was quoted saying ‘he’s almost as big as oasis was’ and definitely bigger than Noel which is something I never thought would have been possible back in 2017. It’s incredible and thank god because if he was retired on some beach in Spain right now my life wouldn’t be as joyful as what it is today. One feeling we definitely shared back then was that As You Were was truly Liam’s last chance saloon. Basically, if it didn’t improve on what Beady Eye had achieved, both critically and commercially, that would be it for his music career, at least as a relevant act. There’s that quote from Linda McCartney about how Paul felt before his comeback with Band On The Run; 'I've got to do it, either I give up and cut my throat or I get my magic back.' Which for me pretty much sums up Liam with As You Were, and that’s why Ive always called it his Band On The Run.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 18, 2021 8:42:40 GMT -5
Bringing in the right songwriters and producers to work with Liam; especially Greg Kurstin, who is a straight-up genius who knows exactly how to bring credibility and life to everything that he does. Greg and Andrew Wyatt coming in sorted everything out. These are the kind of people you work with when you want things to blow up, and boy did they. Yeah thats a point, i remember there being some stick from fans for working with Kurstin, mainly because he was best known for his stuff with Adele like Hello. But Ive long felt he’s one of those contemporary producers who can adapt to both rock and pop, a bit like people such as Mutt Lange, Rick Rubin, Danger Mouse and Paul Epworth. Hence his working with people like McCartney, Beck and Foo Fighters. And what people didn’t realise is he and Wyatt were both underground indie musicians first.
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Post by tiger40 on Sept 18, 2021 13:10:23 GMT -5
I remember in August 2016, Q Magazine ran one of the first major publications about Liam’s comeback. I remember reading it on the train on the way home from University experiencing feelings of excitement and happiness due the fact that he wasn’t retiring after all but also sheer nervousness and apprehension about it as I thought Liam was really taking a big chance here, his ego, reputation and legacy was well and truely on the line - if the album flopped that would have been devastating for him and us, the fans. Much to my surprise, As You Were was a massive success and from a personal standpoint, it’s one of my favourite albums any Gallagher has ever produced. Why Me, Why Not is equally as impressive, I could go on about it in detail all day but suffice to say he proved everybody wrong and as Alan McGee was quoted saying ‘he’s almost as big as oasis was’ and definitely bigger than Noel which is something I never thought would have been possible back in 2017. It’s incredible and thank god because if he was retired on some beach in Spain right now my life wouldn’t be as joyful as what it is today. I can remember that Q magazine interview with Liam back in 2016 and while it was good to read about his comeback I did wonder if it was going to be a success because nobody knew one way or the other. At that point Oasis fans were with Noel's solo career and Liam had his work cut out back then. I'm just glad that everything worked out well for Liam in the end and bringing in songwriters was the best thing for Liam . They're what he needed after Beady Eye and the little success they had. And, Wall Of Glass was the perfect song for a comeback single. I also seen to remember reading in the same interview that Liam doesn't keep in touch with Gem, Andy or Chris but I don't know if things have changed since then.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 24, 2021 19:04:37 GMT -5
- He was making 6/10 albums with BDI, now he is making 7/10 as solo artist. Nothing special happened there. - His name is much bigger than BDI and he is singing much more Oasis songs. Actually, BDI didn't play Oasis songs at all at the beginning. Two simples desicions that made him much more popular and made gigs more biblical. But I wouldn't call that resurrection, it's more like that he fucked up and now he is just doing what is normal and what he should from the start. - His voice. Yes, he made big improvement but I still think that Oasis songs and singing under his own name made him to be successful again. Many people still hate his voice, they hated it when even in 90s. And we fans are there, jumping like maniacs, obsessed with his stage presence that he never lost and singing our hearts out and enjoying mostly Oasis songs and can't even hear how good or bad he is singing. Fuck off right back to Siberia….
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 1, 2021 9:19:20 GMT -5
Don’t you even dare try to change my mind you godless Heathens. Ok, with 125 000 people, maybeeee.
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