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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 10, 2020 13:10:50 GMT -5
When listing our wants we have to remember that it’s not us that has to go out and sing them over a 90 gig tour. 😂
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 10, 2020 14:03:04 GMT -5
Liam should stick with the same songwriters and I think that he will anyway because he seems to like working with them. And, after all the success with the first two albums why change it.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 10, 2020 14:57:54 GMT -5
I think he only did a few words for Halo, and the Verses for Why Me, Why Not. Maybe some of Once at a push. Yeah i doubt he had a lot of input besides the ones mentionned. As long as he's happy doing festivals and sing Noel's Oasis' tunes i dont see the format changing. He basically can't fail that way, since record sales dont matter much anymore to go on and that, the right week, it's not too hard to reach a good ranking. Maybe someday he'll want something else, to have a solo album that's all him. This record could have been As You Were, if Beady Eye second record never happened. He had the songs. strong record there with Gallagher only tunes (or almost): Flick Of The Finger Greedy Soul Bold Soul Love You Better Run When I'm In Need The World's Not Set In Stone Don't Brother Me (different lyrics) Shine A Light Universal Gleam I've All I Need Start Anew b sides All My People / All Mankind I Never Wanna Be Like You I Get By Like Liams said i see them as Oasis songs. They're both as responsible for making them what they are. Playing Oasis songs is what gets Noel and Liam bigger venues. This idea that Noels first album selling so well meant the initial ticket sales success was rubbish. He bridged that Oasis gap when Beady Eye weren't doing them. Now Liam is doing them, and better, Noel struggles to sell out venues that size.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Dec 10, 2020 15:59:10 GMT -5
I think he only did a few words for Halo, and the Verses for Why Me, Why Not. Maybe some of Once at a push. Yeah i doubt he had a lot of input besides the ones mentionned. As long as he's happy doing festivals and sing Noel's Oasis' tunes i dont see the format changing. He basically can't fail that way, since record sales dont matter much anymore to go on and that, the right week, it's not too hard to reach a good ranking. Maybe someday he'll want something else, to have a solo album that's all him. This record could have been As You Were, if Beady Eye second record never happened. He had the songs. strong record there with Gallagher only tunes (or almost): Flick Of The Finger Greedy Soul Bold Soul Love You Better Run When I'm In Need The World's Not Set In Stone Don't Brother Me (different lyrics) Shine A Light Universal Gleam I've All I Need Start Anew b sides All My People / All Mankind I Never Wanna Be Like You I Get By Didn’t it take him 8-10 years to write the batch of songs you listed?
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 10, 2020 16:23:53 GMT -5
I think Liam should stick with what he has so far for album 3. I don't know how many albums he has in his deal with Warner, I think I read 3 but not sure. I can spot the bits he wrote on WMWN, what improves them is having someone there with him to take the songs further. It's where Gem and Andy didn't manage to pull it off with Beady Eye, helping Liam get from his guitar strumming and nice verse melodies and make them into proper tunes. Wyatt and co have managed to do that.
I would really like Liam to set up a kind of super-group as well at some stage for an album as a side project. In my dreams it would be Rob and Pete from BRMC and Dave Grohl on drums just making heavy garage rock n roll stuff.
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Post by World71R on Dec 10, 2020 16:24:02 GMT -5
I'd like a punk album, an electronic album, a stones-ish (today I was listening to You better runc- it rocks!) album but let's face it: it never gonna happen. Liam is a loyal person (he's a dog type sentenced Noel) and he will work with the same crew. Plus: he love to be pop-ular and do big venues... I don't see he changing the seccesseful recipe. My only worry: do better than WMWN (with the same ingredients) is almost impossible, I see it as the perfect album. I don't give a fs of who writes what... Liam is a great singer and until the tunes are ok Im happy with it - I will nerver understand this obsession with Liam's writing (or not). Don't get me wrong, I love that WM?WN and AYW have been successful but I feel like the tunes could be better and more rocking. Some of the current tunes either really lack that "oomph" within the Noel-penned Oasis tunes and even some LAG tunes, or really try hard for it but don't come across right (Shockwave, Alright Now both come to mind).
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 10, 2020 17:32:36 GMT -5
Kevin Parker is a great suggestion, the idea of something like Lonerism sung by Liam is quite exciting
I also agree about wanting something with a better rocking punch, but I don't know who could write/produce that for Liam, there's not many proper rock artists that excite me these days and the ones who do have a very defined style Pop songwriters and producers can come up with great pop tunes and make them rock, but it's harder to capture a certain punkish energy
As many of you have said though I doubt we'll get anything different from the formula that gave us AYW and WMWN, so I just hope it sounds good A Liam's fully written record may sound like an interesting idea but I fear the actual end result wouldn't match our hopes, Liam's at his best musically when someone else's directing things
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Post by coolprophet on Dec 10, 2020 18:30:44 GMT -5
Kevin Parker would have been great in the past but now since Tame Impala got completely rid of guitars within the last 2 records - no thanks.
Don't think they will change much on the formula which I'm fine with if it doesn't go to generic radio rock.
If I could pick people for Liam to work with: Dan Auerbach, Josh Homme - would be interesting how this would sound in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 18:41:59 GMT -5
Liam should stick with the same songwriters and I think that he will anyway because he seems to like working with them. And, after all the success with the first two albums why change it. Well, musical growth would be the obvious answer. Though, that doesn't seem to matter much to Liam.
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 10, 2020 19:39:17 GMT -5
Butch Vig
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 20:26:51 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 10, 2020 21:31:45 GMT -5
Liam should stick with the same songwriters and I think that he will anyway because he seems to like working with them. And, after all the success with the first two albums why change it. Well, musical growth would be the obvious answer. Though, that doesn't seem to matter much to Liam. Agreed but if the opposite of that is what we get with Noel then I'd rather Liam carry on this way. There's doing what Paul Weller did and moving on to an exciting new era of progression because he can and has the songs, then there's doing what Noel did and suddenly feeling all of those criticisms of his work and feeling like he must appease certain musical peers that look down on oasis. The result is not very good ideas under a crap concept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 21:39:16 GMT -5
Well, musical growth would be the obvious answer. Though, that doesn't seem to matter much to Liam. Agreed but if the opposite of that is what we get with Noel then I'd rather Liam carry on this way. There's doing what Paul Weller did and moving on to an exciting new era of progression because he can and has the songs, then there's doing what Noel did and suddenly feeling all of those criticisms of his work and feeling like he must appease certain musical peers that look down on oasis. The result is not very good ideas under a crap concept. I don't know why people feel the need to assume Noel always has the worst intentions with everything. What if he just wants to broaden his horizons musically? I also don't get this notion that Noel's lost his sense of melody. He hasn't. These songs are just as strong as anything Oasis released. Noel's sonically expanded, but he's mostly the same songwriter, melodically speaking.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 10, 2020 21:49:00 GMT -5
Agreed but if the opposite of that is what we get with Noel then I'd rather Liam carry on this way. There's doing what Paul Weller did and moving on to an exciting new era of progression because he can and has the songs, then there's doing what Noel did and suddenly feeling all of those criticisms of his work and feeling like he must appease certain musical peers that look down on oasis. The result is not very good ideas under a crap concept. I don't know why people feel the need to assume Noel always has the worst intentions with everything. What if he just wants to broaden his horizons musically? I also don't get this notion that Noel's lost his sense of melody. He hasn't. These songs are just as strong as anything Oasis released. Noel's sonically expanded, but he's mostly the same songwriter, melodically speaking. I'm not saying he has worst intentions on anything. I think hes gone with a concept of showing how diverse he now is, without any actually good songs for the concept. Let the songs dictate the sound. If he writes a new song and it has a new sound then great. I feel like he's bowed to the pitchfork style criticism his music gets. When he sticks to what he's good at we get stunning songs like Sail On. When he thinks i need to make a song that'll sound so different we get a bit of an idea unfinished like Blue Moon Rising. There's a big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 22:02:25 GMT -5
I don't know why people feel the need to assume Noel always has the worst intentions with everything. What if he just wants to broaden his horizons musically? I also don't get this notion that Noel's lost his sense of melody. He hasn't. These songs are just as strong as anything Oasis released. Noel's sonically expanded, but he's mostly the same songwriter, melodically speaking. I'm not saying he has worst intentions on anything. I think hes gone with a concept of showing how diverse he now is, without any actually good songs for the concept. Let the songs dictate the sound. If he writes a new song and it has a new sound then great. I feel like he's bowed to the pitchfork style criticism his music gets. When he sticks to what he's good at we get stunning songs like Sail On. When he thinks i need to make a song that'll sound so different we get a bit of an idea unfinished like Blue Moon Rising. There's a big difference. That's where your wrong. He still writes to his strengths. Blue Moon Rising is like any Noel Gallagher song at heart. He's just done some interesting things with the instrumentation and production. And yes, you are suggesting he has bad intentions. By saying that he's bowing down to Pitchfork, you're saying that he's a hack who's doing this to get praise from critics and that's that. Most of the fans hate this stuff. What makes you think Pitchfork means more to Noel than the fans? He's doing this because he wants to expand his sound, and he still has good songs to do it with.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Dec 11, 2020 0:54:01 GMT -5
On one hand, Noel has always been fairly sensitive to criticisms of his work. See how hard he turned on BHN, for example. But on the other hand, I'm confident pretty much no one two or more years ago said "That Noel Gallagher is getting stale, what he needs are more dance beats." If Noel were bowing to outside criticism, his current direction would be very different.
He's obviously doing what he's doing now because he wants to, and to that I say, more power to him. It takes some courage to do something daring and different instead of the same old thing he'd been doing for 25-30 years, and whether or not I personally like the results seems pretty irrelevant. May we all have the guts to still be following our dreams in new directions in our 50s.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 11, 2020 2:25:56 GMT -5
Yeah i doubt he had a lot of input besides the ones mentionned. As long as he's happy doing festivals and sing Noel's Oasis' tunes i dont see the format changing. He basically can't fail that way, since record sales dont matter much anymore to go on and that, the right week, it's not too hard to reach a good ranking. Maybe someday he'll want something else, to have a solo album that's all him. This record could have been As You Were, if Beady Eye second record never happened. He had the songs. strong record there with Gallagher only tunes (or almost): Flick Of The Finger Greedy Soul Bold Soul Love You Better Run When I'm In Need The World's Not Set In Stone Don't Brother Me (different lyrics) Shine A Light Universal Gleam I've All I Need Start Anew b sides All My People / All Mankind I Never Wanna Be Like You I Get By Didn’t it take him 8-10 years to write the batch of songs you listed? Looks like they were written between 2010 and 2016, after DGSS and before AYW, so six years. A few might be older (Flick), but since Liam has not released a song of his since As You Were, we're already halfway a full album now (3+ years) And there maybe songs we have never heard of. If they release one or two more records without his songs, then his only, it fits (if he's still writing).
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2020 7:57:31 GMT -5
On one hand, Noel has always been fairly sensitive to criticisms of his work. See how hard he turned on BHN, for example. But on the other hand, I'm confident pretty much no one two or more years ago said "That Noel Gallagher is getting stale, what he needs are more dance beats." If Noel were bowing to outside criticism, his current direction would be very different. He's obviously doing what he's doing now because he wants to, and to that I say, more power to him. It takes some courage to do something daring and different instead of the same old thing he'd been doing for 25-30 years, and whether or not I personally like the results seems pretty irrelevant. May we all have the guts to still be following our dreams in new directions in our 50s. Yeah he's clearly indulging himself right now, and the EPs were made for that sole purpose I believe I'm glad he took that step because whatever direction he may go in now it seems to me this whole era gave him a whole new excitement regarding the whole creative process, and I've heard him mention more than once that working with Holmes made him much more confident about what he could do in the studio and collaborating with other people as well, that in itself at 53 is quite remarkable I doesn't hurt that I think WBTM is the best Gallagher related thing of the 2000s either
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