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Post by jxing on Sept 19, 2019 11:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by blkc on Sept 19, 2019 12:17:19 GMT -5
I don't doubt that he honestly wants to talk again with Noel and all that, but I really don't get how it is possible that he still doesn't understand that saying things like this in the press is just making things worse.
I'm not defending one against the other, just saying that if he really wants it, the best thing to do is to stop talking about it in the press, hopefully Noel will end up doing the same and that would be a first step. It's beyond me how he can't see that, it's obviously making Noel angry as we all saw these last months and he just keep going... I'm not an expert of anything, but I'm pretty sure that making somebody angry is the worst thing to do when you want to reconcile with him ^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:22:39 GMT -5
Radio X has taken this from the recent interview with BBC radio. It's a good interview, I think he sounded more sad than angry about the situation with Noel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:40:00 GMT -5
I’m rattled by the fact they all assume Peggy will go first. Probability says she will, but we all know life can be cruel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:50:58 GMT -5
I’m rattled by the fact they all assume Peggy will go first. Probability says she will, but we all know life can be cruel. This. A son of one of my mom's best friends died in a bike crash two weeks ago. He was only 43. Dead on impact and the culprit has still not been found. Logic assumes that, ideally, son's should be the one's to grieve for their parents...but life is not like that sometimes. They both should really stop talking about stuff like this, when they know it's gonna get public traction. Either make a honest attempt to eventually make up in private, or just drop it from the public eye. Obviously, i know they will both get asked about the other in interviews, they are connected for life, but keep the answers short and possibly, only allow questions regarding the other if they are about past good stories, like recording of past Oasis albums and such.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 13:08:44 GMT -5
I don't doubt that he honestly wants to talk again with Noel and all that, but I really don't get how it is possible that he still doesn't understand that saying things like this in the press is just making things worse. I'm not defending one against the other, just saying that if he really wants it, the best thing to do is to stop talking about it in the press, hopefully Noel will end up doing the same and that would be a first step. It's beyond me how he can't see that, it's obviously making Noel angry as we all saw these last months and he just keep going... I'm not an expert of anything, but I'm pretty sure that making somebody angry is the worst thing to do when you want to reconcile with him ^^ What is it in this particular piece that should make Noel angry?
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Post by blkc on Sept 19, 2019 13:36:08 GMT -5
I don't doubt that he honestly wants to talk again with Noel and all that, but I really don't get how it is possible that he still doesn't understand that saying things like this in the press is just making things worse. I'm not defending one against the other, just saying that if he really wants it, the best thing to do is to stop talking about it in the press, hopefully Noel will end up doing the same and that would be a first step. It's beyond me how he can't see that, it's obviously making Noel angry as we all saw these last months and he just keep going... I'm not an expert of anything, but I'm pretty sure that making somebody angry is the worst thing to do when you want to reconcile with him ^^ What is it in this particular piece that should make Noel angry? Just talking about things like that in the press really. Private life issues and their private relationship isn't a thing that should be discussed in the press. Nobody would be happy with it. Also, he ends up saying "its' not me, it's him that doesn't want to talk with me" If he wants things to get better, he should stop trying to find a guilty one and to avoid any criticism for himself, they've both been acting like idiots recently. He's been constantly talking about this for months if not years, it didn't made any good, quite the opposite.
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Post by shannee on Sept 19, 2019 13:49:25 GMT -5
Liam spent the last 10 years calling Noel's wife a bitch. By doing this he has painted Noel into a corner that makes it impossible for him to reconcile their relationship and have a good relationship with his wife. Wth does Liam expect? Of course Noel is going to pick his wife, marriage and children over him. I love Liam but ffs, how old does a man have to be before he grows up and take responsibility for his own actions?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 13:49:50 GMT -5
What is it in this particular piece that should make Noel angry? Just talking about things like that in the press really. Private life issues and their private relationship isn't a thing that should be discussed in the press. Nobody would be happy with it. Also, he ends up saying "its' not me, it's him that doesn't want to talk with me" If he wants things to get better, he should stop trying to find a guilty one and to avoid any criticism for himself, they've both been acting like idiots recently. He's been constantly talking about this for months if not years, it didn't made any good, quite the opposite. That's a two way street them talking about each other in the press. There is nothing offensive in that piece. And what if it was the truth, what if he has approached him previously?
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Post by americanparkamonkey on Sept 19, 2019 13:50:51 GMT -5
I don't doubt that he honestly wants to talk again with Noel and all that, but I really don't get how it is possible that he still doesn't understand that saying things like this in the press is just making things worse. I'm not defending one against the other, just saying that if he really wants it, the best thing to do is to stop talking about it in the press, hopefully Noel will end up doing the same and that would be a first step. It's beyond me how he can't see that, it's obviously making Noel angry as we all saw these last months and he just keep going... I'm not an expert of anything, but I'm pretty sure that making somebody angry is the worst thing to do when you want to reconcile with him ^^ I don't disagree with you. But... I do see a lot of people on Reddit and youtube blaming Liam for everything that's every happened because of his tweets and the text massages to Anais, but if you look further back it's a lot more complex than that. Noel was bashing Liam in interviews back when Oasis were still together and yes I know part of this was winding both him and the press up, but it happened often enough, that you have to wonder... When Noel said "I'm as good a singer as he is" in the 90's you have to wonder... There's only so much any of us can really know from what we've seen and read over the years, but when someone is five years your senior and you basically grow up under their control and they boast about being able to manipulate you and then when you've burnt yourself out physically and killed your voice, they walk away from what you've built together... there seems to be genuine pain and anger on Liam's side and I am not saying he always deals with it the right way (the guy literally came of age as a famous rock star so he has to be a bit stunted emotionally) but I don't think it's all a big publicity stunt and he's just trying to sell records. I think the loss of his relationship with Noel haunts him. I think getting his approval would mean the world to him, but I also don't think that's going to happen and yeah... I don't think he will ever be able to shut up about it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 13:53:07 GMT -5
Liam spent the last 10 years calling Noel's wife a bitch. By doing this he has painted Noel into a corner that makes it impossible for him to reconcile their relationship and have a good relationship with his wife. Wth does Liam expect? Of course Noel is going to pick his wife, marriage and children over him. I love Liam but ffs, how old does a man have to be before he grows up and take responsibility for his own actions? He doesn't need to have any relationship with his wife in fairness for him and Noel to get on but yeah he shouldn't mention her at all. Again though, you are really only giving one side there and he has taken responsibility for many although maybe not all of his actions. If Sara's treatment of Molly is true doesn't that paint Liam in to a similar corner?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 13:55:55 GMT -5
I think they are both handling this horribly, Liam should give Noel time to processes things. It seems Liam takes a step forward and then calls Noel a vagina the next day. Noel should also make amends with his brother.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 19, 2019 14:05:37 GMT -5
I got round to reading the book forever the people a while back and the thing I got from it was that Liam was desparate to get Noel's approval and be taken seriously by him while Noel absolutely hated Liam and resented him being the frontman. This was in 1997 when they were at the top of their fame. Any role Sara/Molly may have in their problems is incidental. Problem is their fighting generates headlines,which sells records.
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Post by shannee on Sept 19, 2019 14:10:33 GMT -5
Liam spent the last 10 years calling Noel's wife a bitch. By doing this he has painted Noel into a corner that makes it impossible for him to reconcile their relationship and have a good relationship with his wife. Wth does Liam expect? Of course Noel is going to pick his wife, marriage and children over him. I love Liam but ffs, how old does a man have to be before he grows up and take responsibility for his own actions? He doesn't need to have any relationship with his wife in fairness for him and Noel to get on but yeah he shouldn't mention her at all. Again though, you are really only giving one side there and he has taken responsibility for many although maybe not all of his actions. If Sara's treatment of Molly is true doesn't that paint Liam in to a similar corner? But it’s really not taking responsibility if you continue with the exact same behavior. He’s still bringing the kids and Sarah into it on a daily basis. If they had never been brought into the argument I really think Liam and Noel would be on speaking terms. Not close anymore but I think they can forget and put aside all the bullshit they’ve flung at each other. But how is Noel suppose to explain to Sarah that he’s just forgiven Liam for calling her a bitch and ruining oasis, etc, etc. Imagine explaining that away to your wife who has felt harassed and threatened by this person (regardless if the threat is real, that’s her point of view). It’s impossible unless Liam makes up with Sarah imo.
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Post by americanparkamonkey on Sept 19, 2019 14:11:34 GMT -5
I got round to reading the book forever the people a while back and the thing I got from it was that Liam was desparate to get Noel's approval and be taken seriously by him while Noel absolutely hated Liam and resented him being the frontman. This was in 1997 when they were at the top of their fame. Any role Sara/Molly may have in their problems is incidental. Problem is their fighting generates headlines,which sells records. This is exactly it. If you really look at the whole history, listen and watch the interviews from the 90's. This is what you get.
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Post by shannee on Sept 19, 2019 14:17:27 GMT -5
I got round to reading the book forever the people a while back and the thing I got from it was that Liam was desparate to get Noel's approval and be taken seriously by him while Noel absolutely hated Liam and resented him being the frontman. This was in 1997 when they were at the top of their fame. Any role Sara/Molly may have in their problems is incidental. Problem is their fighting generates headlines,which sells records. Sorry but I just think this is nonsense and a misinterpretation of the past based on their current relationship. Not sure if you were a fan during the 90s but it never felt to me that there was any hate. They were brothers who liked to dig at each other, like most do. It was completely different than the constant negative vibe of their relationship now.
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Post by blkc on Sept 19, 2019 14:22:13 GMT -5
That's a two way street them talking about each other in the press. There is nothing offensive in that piece. And what if it was the truth, what if he has approached him previously? Yes they're both wrong to talk about this kind of stuff in the press. I never said anything different... I didn't said there was something offensive, I said that it wasn't a good place to solve a personal issue with your brother. That's all. Discussing this in the press isn't doing any good, that's my point. As I've already specified, it's the same for Noel when he does so. To get things better, they need to stop talking at all, both of them, for a while. Then there will already be less anger. It's pure logic. You don't know either what he has done, but we know he said a lot of shit too, they're fighting for so long than one interview isn't changing anything now... They need to stop for a while. Just like Noel, Liam contradicts himself all the time, he also said bad stuff about Noel recently. And Noel did too... There's no end, there's both guilty or whatever you want... None of them is to be taken seriously when talking about the other, both of them can be honest or lying, it's not new. It's obvious you want to take Liam's side, good for you, but sorry I'm not into this. I'm not here to defend Noel. It's just none of our business and nobody here knows enough to judge between these two. This is probably the worse side effect of these two solving their issues in the press, some fans end up acting just like them and recreating their fight here... I don't want any of that really, so I'm done
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 14:25:41 GMT -5
He doesn't need to have any relationship with his wife in fairness for him and Noel to get on but yeah he shouldn't mention her at all. Again though, you are really only giving one side there and he has taken responsibility for many although maybe not all of his actions. If Sara's treatment of Molly is true doesn't that paint Liam in to a similar corner? But it’s really not taking responsibility if you continue with the exact same behavior. He’s still bringing the kids and Sarah into it on a daily basis. If they had never been brought into the argument I really think Liam and Noel would be on speaking terms. Not close anymore but I think they can forget and put aside all the bullshit they’ve flung at each other. But how is Noel suppose to explain to Sarah that he’s just forgiven Liam for calling her a bitch and ruining oasis, etc, etc. Imagine explaining that away to your wife who has felt harassed and threatened by this person (regardless if the threat is real, that’s her point of view). It’s impossible unless Liam makes up with Sarah imo. Daily? Jesus. And you didn't answer my question.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 14:27:36 GMT -5
I got round to reading the book forever the people a while back and the thing I got from it was that Liam was desparate to get Noel's approval and be taken seriously by him while Noel absolutely hated Liam and resented him being the frontman. This was in 1997 when they were at the top of their fame. Any role Sara/Molly may have in their problems is incidental. Problem is their fighting generates headlines,which sells records. Sorry but I just think this is nonsense and a misinterpretation of the past based on their current relationship. Not sure if you were a fan during the 90s but it never felt to me that there was any hate. They were brothers who liked to dig at each other, like most do. It was completely different than the constant negative vibe of their relationship now. They most definitely did like to dig at each other, just that one of them had 90% of the air time and column inches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 14:30:18 GMT -5
The thread about this interview is here live4ever.proboards.com/thread/91134/bbc-radio5. Liam suggests they should go for a beer and have a chat. Obviously they have a lot of issues to solve, but at least that would be a start, and I hope some day they get to do that.
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Post by shannee on Sept 19, 2019 14:36:33 GMT -5
But it’s really not taking responsibility if you continue with the exact same behavior. He’s still bringing the kids and Sarah into it on a daily basis. If they had never been brought into the argument I really think Liam and Noel would be on speaking terms. Not close anymore but I think they can forget and put aside all the bullshit they’ve flung at each other. But how is Noel suppose to explain to Sarah that he’s just forgiven Liam for calling her a bitch and ruining oasis, etc, etc. Imagine explaining that away to your wife who has felt harassed and threatened by this person (regardless if the threat is real, that’s her point of view). It’s impossible unless Liam makes up with Sarah imo. Daily? Jesus. And you didn't answer my question. About molly and Sarah? The only thing I have heard is that Sarah once laughed at something molly said. I’m not interested in digging into the lives and details of Liam’s children and noel’s wife. That’s the whole point. They should have never been brought into it. If they could be removed from the argument with an apology and never brought up again, by either brother, maybe their relationship could be mended.
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Post by blkc on Sept 19, 2019 14:37:31 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you. But... I do see a lot of people on Reddit and youtube blaming Liam for everything that's every happened because of his tweets and the text massages to Anais, but if you look further back it's a lot more complex than that. Noel was bashing Liam in interviews back when Oasis were still together and yes I know part of this was winding both him and the press up, but it happened often enough, that you have to wonder... When Noel said "I'm as good a singer as he is" in the 90's you have to wonder... There's only so much any of us can really know from what we've seen and read over the years, but when someone is five years your senior and you basically grow up under their control and they boast about being able to manipulate you and then when you've burnt yourself out physically and killed your voice, they walk away from what you've built together... there seems to be genuine pain and anger on Liam's side and I am not saying he always deals with it the right way (the guy literally came of age as a famous rock star so he has to be a bit stunted emotionally) but I don't think it's all a big publicity stunt and he's just trying to sell records. I think the loss of his relationship with Noel haunts him. I think getting his approval would mean the world to him, but I also don't think that's going to happen and yeah... I don't think he will ever be able to shut up about it. Of course it's complex, it's the relation between two brothers, that's why I think nobody here knows enough to judge any of them. Of course Noel did shit, but so did Liam. You can list as many bad things said by Noel about Liam, I can answer with as many bad things said by Liam about Noel. That's endless and pointless. Trying to find a guilty one between these two is doing nothing good except more fans fighting between each others for stuff that is not even their business and for which they don't know much. Of course I believe that Liam really miss Noel, I believe that he really wants to talk with him... I just say that he's doing it the wrong way.
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Post by mancraider on Sept 19, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -5
I got round to reading the book forever the people a while back and the thing I got from it was that Liam was desparate to get Noel's approval and be taken seriously by him while Noel absolutely hated Liam and resented him being the frontman. This was in 1997 when they were at the top of their fame. Any role Sara/Molly may have in their problems is incidental. Problem is their fighting generates headlines,which sells records. Sorry but I just think this is nonsense and a misinterpretation of the past based on their current relationship. Not sure if you were a fan during the 90s but it never felt to me that there was any hate. They were brothers who liked to dig at each other, like most do. It was completely different than the constant negative vibe of their relationship now. yeah fan since the very beginning, and I'm only offering my opinion of the book I mentioned. If you haven't read it i recommend it. I think the view of their relationship you put forward was true up to knebworth and in all honestly it was what I was expecting when I picked up that book. By the BHN tour fame and money was having its effect. Old resentments that had maybe been buried while they enjoyed the ride of the first two albums resurfaced. You say you never had the impression there was any hate back in the 90s but tbh without social media we were never as privvy to personal feelings as we are now. And are you really saying that you can't look back at the past and honestly re-interpret it using your knowledge of the present? Hindsight is a wonderful thing sometimes.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 19, 2019 14:43:21 GMT -5
Daily? Jesus. And you didn't answer my question. About molly and Sarah? The only thing I have heard is that Sarah once laughed at something molly said. I’m not interested in digging into the lives and details of Liam’s children and noel’s wife. That’s the whole point. They should have never been brought into it. If they could be removed from the argument with an apology and never brought up again, by either brother, maybe their relationship could be mended. Just seems you're very selective in what you deem revelvant.
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Post by shannee on Sept 19, 2019 14:55:36 GMT -5
Sorry but I just think this is nonsense and a misinterpretation of the past based on their current relationship. Not sure if you were a fan during the 90s but it never felt to me that there was any hate. They were brothers who liked to dig at each other, like most do. It was completely different than the constant negative vibe of their relationship now. yeah fan since the very beginning, and I'm only offering my opinion of the book I mentioned. If you haven't read it i recommend it. I think the view of their relationship you put forward was true up to knebworth and in all honestly it was what I was expecting when I picked up that book. By the BHN tour fame and money was having its effect. Old resentments that had maybe been buried while they enjoyed the ride of the first two albums resurfaced. You say you never had the impression there was any hate back in the 90s but tbh without social media we were never as privvy to personal feelings as we are now. And are you really saying that you can't look back at the past and honestly re-interpret it using your knowledge of the present? Hindsight is a wonderful thing sometimes. Lots of good points. We definitely have a different view today with SM. I don’t know that it’s a good thing. It ruins a lot of the mystique. Reminds me, I was looking for a bio on bob dylan the other day on amazon. I read a few previews and decided ya know, I don’t think I want to know everything about bob. It might take away from my love of his music. Anyway for me ‘hate’ is a strong word. I didn’t see it back then. Too much drugs, alcohol, and excess, yes. But not hate.
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