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Post by andymorris on Sept 22, 2019 7:05:43 GMT -5
Wyatt should just have joined Liam and form another band and all these arguments wouldn’t exist. Brand it like Liam Gallagher’s army men. Or Liam Gallagher’s ono band. Basically they’re lying to the people who don’t dig into credits and look for clues about who did what. Many many people think he’s done it all himself. That’s what is wrong with the branding. Other than that it’s a quite good record. Well Liam isn't lying to anyone as he's told us all what the score is. But did he ? We don’t really know what he wrote. It could be just a Shiiine here and there. It was more obvious on as you were.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 22, 2019 7:24:19 GMT -5
Well Liam isn't lying to anyone as he's told us all what the score is. But did he ? We don’t really know what he wrote. It could be just a Shiiine here and there. It was more obvious on as you were. Maybe he should add a booklet to each copy explaining every chord and lyric he contributed. Or maybe you can just watch or read the interviews. Maybe you could stop embarrassing yourself.
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Post by LlAM on Sept 22, 2019 8:03:17 GMT -5
But did he ? We don’t really know what he wrote. It could be just a Shiiine here and there. It was more obvious on as you were. Maybe he should add a booklet to each copy explaining every chord and lyric he contributed. Or maybe you can just watch or read the interviews. Maybe you could stop embarrassing yourself. That's not the point. In fact it's the opposite of the point. It's not about Liam writing or not - in fact he didn't write any of the biggest hits he's sung on, remember? It's about feeling him in the songs. It's about his attitude and swagger, it's about him owning the songs and it's also about the backing tracks complementing his portraying of the songs. The demo and the recent TV performance of Once are good examples of owning a song, he absolutely nailed it in my opinion. I also think the backing track of Invisible Sun complements Liam well. As for the album, in my opinion, it's mostly soulless and could be anyone's songs; Lily Allen, Rod Stewart... Your choice. Am I a Noelist or a troll? You decide. I just love myself some Liam with swagger in his step. That's why I was an Oasis fan to begin with. I guess you could also argue that's why Noels new material divides the fan base - because it's not what we fell in love with in the first place.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 22, 2019 8:34:41 GMT -5
But did he ? We don’t really know what he wrote. It could be just a Shiiine here and there. It was more obvious on as you were. Maybe he should add a booklet to each copy explaining every chord and lyric he contributed. Or maybe you can just watch or read the interviews. Maybe you could stop embarrassing yourself. You’re the one embarrassing yourself really. I’ve actually heard and read every interview where he talks about that stuff because I’m highly interested in the matter, but yeah the only says « I send them bits and they completed it ». How detailed ! He probably wrote fuck all of it and that’s how they save the day. « I send them bits ». Thats gonna make a great 1 page anthology book someday.
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Post by rollagher on Sept 22, 2019 8:53:17 GMT -5
Shouldn't this thread be on the Noel Forum? I wonder why anyone thinks that Liam isn't capable of write a decent song? Hasn't he witten I'm outta time, Boy with the blues, Bold, I've all I need, Born on a different cloud, For anyone? Facts are: Liam hasn't written a song solely for this album but was co-writer of every song. Enough information for me, it's defenitly a Liam Album!
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Post by Dangerman on Sept 22, 2019 9:02:12 GMT -5
Those saying it sounds like Gary Barlow or Bryan Adams wrote it are hillarious. You guys should seriously consider getting into stand up comedy. So funny.
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Post by Dangerman on Sept 22, 2019 9:18:17 GMT -5
For me, I think Liam's influence is clear on a lot of tracks. He has a very distinguishable vocal melodies from the songs he wrote witj Oasis, Beady Eye and the one he was solely responsible for from As You Were. I think it can be heard on Shockwave, Halo, NTIFY, WMWN, Meadow & Gone.
I'm not sure how much involvement he had on One Of Us or Alright Now just becausw they're so different.
But honestly, I just don't care. Liam has always somebody elses songs. I don't know why it bothers people so much.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 22, 2019 10:18:12 GMT -5
Liam has always somebody elses songs. I don't know why it bothers people so much. It’s bothering because it’s vague. For instance in the sleevenotes for blur records you had detailed info like « song: authors » « lyrics : authors » « music (eg the instrumental parts) : people » To me this is the fairest and most interesting way of crediting people. As you said we can hear some Liam in those songs, but hey maybe those guys copied his style (they can clearly copy anything) and Liam did nothing or so little. When you’re passionate about something you wanna know how it’s done, what was the inspiration, what were the struggles, did it come naturally or did they work hard on a part... etc it goes beyond just the listening experience. It’s trying to get a grasp of the whole process. Maybe I’m a music nerd but I can’t stop reading about those things and for Liam, there’s little to no infos about anything that makes me think sometimes he did not contribute anything. He probably did, but on what level ? Did he come up with once but was stuck for the chorus ? Did he wake up one day and thought about a particular line on a song ? The why me why not anecdote is interesting there’s probably more. So why not do a track by track review of his album? On as you were it was clearer because most songs where his. No debate.
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Post by Rolo on Sept 22, 2019 10:24:24 GMT -5
Fairly certain he wrote nearly all of Why Me? Why Not, the song that is. The chords are typical of a Liam tune (same as Bold and The Boy With The Blues) and the lyrics scream Liam.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 22, 2019 10:28:07 GMT -5
I do wonder if a certain group of people ever read through there posts after they’ve posted them. It’s basically Liam should have written it himself even if it was shit then we would be in here calling it shit or he can work with songwriters so the songs are better but we’ll still be in here calling it inauthentic and shit. The same people who criticised his writing in Oasis, the same people who criticised Beady Eye. 😂 I don't see the contradiction. You can think both that the song-writing in Beady Eye was poor, and that songs like Shockwave and Once sound a bit manufactured. I think they're both valid criticisms, in fact. That's not the argument they are making. They're simply shifting the authenticity goalposts back and forth. Claiming WMWN is overproduced doesn't carry the automatic implication that the solution was to do it all himself, except in the arguments being advanced by those people. It's a spin-off of Noel's own quote from back in 2012: "I think he should put his name in lights and go for it". Well, he did it. And now it's "Adele through a tin box". I think it's naive to think that certain members of this forum wouldn't be in here lamenting the songwriting if Liam released an entirely self-written record. There's no need to wonder, really. We had two Beady Eye albums of entirely in-group songwriting and low-key production. Arguments in favor of having someone "mentor" Liam were put forth absolutely-sincerely-don't-you-ever-doubt-it-old-son by some of the usual suspects. Well, he accepted mentoring and went to #1 twice in a row. But oh, no! Now he's not being true to himself and should just write his own material! Ultimately, these people's argument is "his songwriting is not to my taste, and I don't approve of his working with Oscar-winning songwriters and producers, so he should just not do anything". If they just said "I'm off Liam, can't be bothered to listen to anything he does", we could save a lot of time presently being wasted in sanctimonious posting.
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Post by emil on Sept 22, 2019 10:31:17 GMT -5
But honestly, I just don't care. Liam has always somebody elses songs. I don't know why it bothers people so much. There is a difference (for some, I would guess) being a singer in a band where other contributes lyrics and music, and ordering 12 songs to be written for you by professionals to get an album out. Eddie Vedder sings Lowlight, it was written by bassist Jeff Ament. He sings Thin Air which was written by guitarist Stone Gossard. But I think for people - bringing in outside professional writers aligns more with the pop industry and churning out hits for a cute and charming avatar called Britney or Katy or Christina. With Noel being a one-man band for so long controlling all the music/lyrics for Oasis Liam was that kind of avatar from the get-go though ofc.
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Post by eva on Sept 22, 2019 10:54:56 GMT -5
I don't see the contradiction. You can think both that the song-writing in Beady Eye was poor, and that songs like Shockwave and Once sound a bit manufactured. I think they're both valid criticisms, in fact. That's not the argument they are making. They're simply shifting the authenticity goalposts back and forth. Claiming WMWN is overproduced doesn't carry the automatic implication that the solution was to do it all himself, except in the arguments being advanced by those people. It's a spin-off of Noel's own quote from back in 2012: "I think he should put his name in lights and go for it". Well, he did it. And now it's "Adele through a tin box". I think it's naive to think that certain members of this forum wouldn't be in here lamenting the songwriting if Liam released an entirely self-written record. There's no need to wonder, really. We had two Beady Eye albums of entirely in-group songwriting and low-key production. Arguments in favor of having someone "mentor" Liam were put forth absolutely-sincerely-don't-you-ever-doubt-it-old-son by some of the usual suspects. Well, he accepted mentoring and went to #1 twice in a row. But oh, no! Now he's not being true to himself and should just write his own material! Ultimately, these people's argument is "his songwriting is not to my taste, and I don't approve of his working with Oscar-winning songwriters and producers, so he should just not do anything". If they just said "I'm off Liam, can't be bothered to listen to anything he does", we could save a lot of time presently being wasted in sanctimonious posting. Spot on
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Post by LlAM on Sept 22, 2019 11:06:32 GMT -5
That's not the argument they are making. They're simply shifting the authenticity goalposts back and forth. Claiming WMWN is overproduced doesn't carry the automatic implication that the solution was to do it all himself, except in the arguments being advanced by those people. It's a spin-off of Noel's own quote from back in 2012: "I think he should put his name in lights and go for it". Well, he did it. And now it's "Adele through a tin box". I think it's naive to think that certain members of this forum wouldn't be in here lamenting the songwriting if Liam released an entirely self-written record. There's no need to wonder, really. We had two Beady Eye albums of entirely in-group songwriting and low-key production. Arguments in favor of having someone "mentor" Liam were put forth absolutely-sincerely-don't-you-ever-doubt-it-old-son by some of the usual suspects. Well, he accepted mentoring and went to #1 twice in a row. But oh, no! Now he's not being true to himself and should just write his own material! Ultimately, these people's argument is "his songwriting is not to my taste, and I don't approve of his working with Oscar-winning songwriters and producers, so he should just not do anything". If they just said "I'm off Liam, can't be bothered to listen to anything he does", we could save a lot of time presently being wasted in sanctimonious posting. Spot on Is it? I thought this was a discussion forum, not a "praise or stay away" forum, where people with a different opinion are labeled as trolls or "usual suspects" Maybe we could save time not commenting people's comments, but hey, I'm not a mod on this forum.
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Post by eva on Sept 22, 2019 11:15:29 GMT -5
Is it? I thought this was a discussion forum, not a "praise or stay away" forum, where people with a different opinion are labeled as trolls or "usual suspects" Maybe we could save time not commenting people's comments, but hey, I'm not a mod on this forum. it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo"
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 22, 2019 11:16:33 GMT -5
But honestly, I just don't care. Liam has always somebody elses songs. I don't know why it bothers people so much. I agree.
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Post by LlAM on Sept 22, 2019 11:22:23 GMT -5
Is it? I thought this was a discussion forum, not a "praise or stay away" forum, where people with a different opinion are labeled as trolls or "usual suspects" Maybe we could save time not commenting people's comments, but hey, I'm not a mod on this forum. it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo" Who's "we" and who's messing around in this thread? How about joining the discussion or not commenting at all and save us the pain of scrolling through pages of people commenting on people's comments?
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 22, 2019 11:24:07 GMT -5
Fairly certain he wrote nearly all of Why Me? Why Not, the song that is. The chords are typical of a Liam tune (same as Bold and The Boy With The Blues) and the lyrics scream Liam. The lyrics and melody of Halo sound like him as well. The weasel part of Shockwave, parts of The River. Anyway it doesn't really bother me, hopefully the users that bitch about it stay locked in this thread so I can choose not to read it and they don't feel the need to say it in every other one.
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Post by eva on Sept 22, 2019 11:25:53 GMT -5
it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo" Who's "we" and who's messing around in this thread? How about joining the discussion or not commenting at all and save us the pain of scrolling through pages of people commenting on people's comments? don't know what the fuck you're on about. I don't have time to play this game have a nice day
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Post by LlAM on Sept 22, 2019 11:28:12 GMT -5
Who's "we" and who's messing around in this thread? How about joining the discussion or not commenting at all and save us the pain of scrolling through pages of people commenting on people's comments? don't know what the fuck you're on about. I don't have time to play this game have a nice day Thanks
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Post by shannee on Sept 22, 2019 11:28:35 GMT -5
Is it? I thought this was a discussion forum, not a "praise or stay away" forum, where people with a different opinion are labeled as trolls or "usual suspects" Maybe we could save time not commenting people's comments, but hey, I'm not a mod on this forum. it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo" The trouble is many times different posters have tried to calmly explain their point of view about what makes them frustrated or uncomfortable about Liam’s current set up but every time some one does this or even if someone dares to question any of Liam’s choices they are met with comments completely ignoring their valid points and claiming “oh you just hate Liam”. It’s childish and extremely frustrating. So when it feels like the mods now agree with this POV what is even the point of having a discussion?
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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 22, 2019 11:30:42 GMT -5
it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo" The trouble is many times different posters have tried to calmly explain their point of view about what makes them frustrated or uncomfortable about Liam’s current set up but every time some one does this or even if someone dares to question any of Liam’s choices they are met with comments completely ignoring their valid points and claiming “oh you just hate Liam”. It’s childish and extremely frustrating. So when it feels like the mods now agree with this POV what is even the point of having a discussion? Cos that topic has been debated 100 times?
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Post by emil on Sept 22, 2019 11:32:10 GMT -5
Why do people sort accept this truth of Liam being a bad songwriter and without help it would go to shit?
He's wrote some great songs and some fillers in Oasis. Not really anything shit(?)
The same with the songs for his solo debut.
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Post by shannee on Sept 22, 2019 11:33:03 GMT -5
Every topic in this forum has been debated 100 times. It’s a forum for a band broke up 10 years ago lol
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 22, 2019 11:38:08 GMT -5
May I remind you guys one thing? The moderators are members just like you as well in first place, but quite some time we feel like we're not allowed to post our opinions. Whenever we step in, some people always complain like "mods on here don't allow us to discuss". It's completely BS.
I just can't get why some people can't enjoy music.
and back to the topic, I don't really care if all those songs from Liam's new album were written by him or someone else. To me, if song is good, it's good and if Liam sings, it's Liam's song.
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Post by eva on Sept 22, 2019 11:43:06 GMT -5
it is I'm sure you've seen all sorts of opinions in the forum and you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. The moment we mention something people play the victim card "oh no we can't have an opinion nazi mods boo hoo" The trouble is many times different posters have tried to calmly explain their point of view about what makes them frustrated or uncomfortable about Liam’s current set up but every time some one does this or even if someone dares to question any of Liam’s choices they are met with comments completely ignoring their valid points and claiming “oh you just hate Liam”. It’s childish and extremely frustrating. So when it feels like the mods now agree with this POV what is even the point of having a discussion? again, you can clearly tell who's being honest and who's going on and on in circles messing around. and that's what I was agreeing to in ricardogce's post
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