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Post by oasisunited on Sept 14, 2019 17:17:04 GMT -5
I think Standing... is clearly better. Fuckin' in the Bushes, Go Let it Out, Who Feels Love, Where Did it All Go Wrong, Gas Panic, Roll it Over; there was the blueprint for a new darker, more intricate sound there. Don't Believe the Truth has Idle and some pleasant tunes, but it's half-baked and stacked with filler. Put One Way Road, Little by Little, and Let's All Make Believe on SOTSOG and you've got a fine debut for Oasis MkII. All you can get out of Don't Believe the Truth is a listenable semi-acoustic record. They certainly had the ingredients to make DBTT a much much better album. Like always they picked (Noel) the lesser of the tunes to round it all out. My version slays. Turn Up The Sun Mucky Fingers Lyla Love Like A Bomb The Importance Of Being Idle Pass Me Down The Wine Stop The Clocks (Liam) Lord Don’t Slow Me Down Guess God Thinks I’m Abel Part of The Queue I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam) Boy With The Blues Now I know this has been done to death, the alt tracklist for DBTT, but fuck it. Here it is. I also realize that RM and STC ended up not being the world beaters Noel was promising them to be but they are miles and miles better than the alternatives. Plus I think Liam elevates both tunes. Why Lord Dont Slow Me Down wasn't on DBTT is one of the great mysteries of our time, up there with the JFK assassination and whether or not the walk button at an intersection actually does anything or not when pressed. It is an even more baffling decision as they liked it enough to release it as a stand alone (downloadable) single (I would have loved to hear that discussion with Noel -- trying to convince him to release a digital only single). It is the definition of "stadium rock", which Noel claims was his aim in the latter part of Oasis. Mystifying.
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Post by blkc on Sept 14, 2019 21:03:24 GMT -5
Why Lord Dont Slow Me Down wasn't on DBTT is one of the great mysteries of our time, up there with the JFK assassination and whether or not the walk button at an intersection actually does anything or not when pressed. It is an even more baffling decision as they liked it enough to release it as a stand alone (downloadable) single (I would have loved to hear that discussion with Noel -- trying to convince him to release a digital only single). It is the definition of "stadium rock", which Noel claims was his aim in the latter part of Oasis. Mystifying. If I remember correctly Noel said something about having too much songs sang by him on DBTT as a reason for Lord Don't Slow Me Down not being included. I also think that when they were finishing the album, the documentary and DVD was already planned since the shooting was happening during the tour, so they may have thought in a early phase about keeping a song on the side to promote it. If they were already planning to release a song with the DVD, it makes perfect sense to keep a good song to promote it. I don't see a big issue in the end, to me it wouldn't have changed much for DBTT, don't think the album would have done better or anything, and the documentary and this song just fit perfectly together imo. ^^ And if it was on the album, it probably wouldn't have been a single and maybe never got played on radios or anything. Maybe the digital release was the best to do for that song who knows
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 15, 2019 1:41:32 GMT -5
Why Lord Dont Slow Me Down wasn't on DBTT is one of the great mysteries of our time, up there with the JFK assassination and whether or not the walk button at an intersection actually does anything or not when pressed. It is an even more baffling decision as they liked it enough to release it as a stand alone (downloadable) single (I would have loved to hear that discussion with Noel -- trying to convince him to release a digital only single). It is the definition of "stadium rock", which Noel claims was his aim in the latter part of Oasis. Mystifying. If I remember correctly Noel said something about having too much songs sang by him on DBTT as a reason for Lord Don't Slow Me Down not being included. I also think that when they were finishing the album, the documentary and DVD was already planned since the shooting was happening during the tour, so they may have thought in a early phase about keeping a song on the side to promote it. If they were already planning to release a song with the DVD, it makes perfect sense to keep a good song to promote it. I don't see a big issue in the end, to me it wouldn't have changed much for DBTT, don't think the album would have done better or anything, and the documentary and this song just fit perfectly together imo. ^^ And if it was on the album, it probably wouldn't have been a single and maybe never got played on radios or anything. Maybe the digital release was the best to do for that song who knows It took a long fucking time for that documentary to finally see the light of day. Noel premiered it around NYC in October 2006. Didn't officially come out until October 2007. I wonder how much better the "Lord Don't Slow Me Down" single would have done with a physical CD release backed by 2 REAL b-sides. Not lame ass live tracks from 2 summers ago. Noel and company bragged about the stockpiles of songs Oasis recorded during the DBTT era, something like 40 they boasted, yet we didn't really hear many of them until years and years later. It would have been more exciting to get them out back in 2005-2007 by being b-sides or that canceled Boy With The Blues EP.
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Post by oasisunited on Sept 15, 2019 6:03:32 GMT -5
Why Lord Dont Slow Me Down wasn't on DBTT is one of the great mysteries of our time, up there with the JFK assassination and whether or not the walk button at an intersection actually does anything or not when pressed. It is an even more baffling decision as they liked it enough to release it as a stand alone (downloadable) single (I would have loved to hear that discussion with Noel -- trying to convince him to release a digital only single). It is the definition of "stadium rock", which Noel claims was his aim in the latter part of Oasis. Mystifying. If I remember correctly Noel said something about having too much songs sang by him on DBTT as a reason for Lord Don't Slow Me Down not being included. I also think that when they were finishing the album, the documentary and DVD was already planned since the shooting was happening during the tour, so they may have thought in a early phase about keeping a song on the side to promote it. If they were already planning to release a song with the DVD, it makes perfect sense to keep a good song to promote it. I don't see a big issue in the end, to me it wouldn't have changed much for DBTT, don't think the album would have done better or anything, and the documentary and this song just fit perfectly together imo. ^^ And if it was on the album, it probably wouldn't have been a single and maybe never got played on radios or anything. Maybe the digital release was the best to do for that song who knows Except we have heard the version with Liam on vocals. I believe Noel has said that the version with him singing is the demo. This means that they at least attempted to record it for the album, as I doubt that Liam would put down a lead vocal track during the session if it wasn't already a candidate. My only guess is that Noel didn't like that vocal and scrapped it. The demo was good enough to release later when they needed something. Anyway, still seems like a bit of a mystery.
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Post by blkc on Sept 15, 2019 9:13:41 GMT -5
Except we have heard the version with Liam on vocals. I believe Noel has said that the version with him singing is the demo. This means that they at least attempted to record it for the album, as I doubt that Liam would put down a lead vocal track during the session if it wasn't already a candidate. My only guess is that Noel didn't like that vocal and scrapped it. The demo was good enough to release later when they needed something. Anyway, still seems like a bit of a mystery. Yeah the Liam version shows that it was supposed to be a Liam's track on the album, but I don't think it's just Noel who didn't like it. Some people will not like what I said, but I do find Liam's voice "weak", not saying it's bad, but not album level or I don't know what imo. If Liam wasn't ok with the song being scrapped we would have heard him about it again and again... ^^ I think they recorded it at a bad moment, maybe end of sessions and Liam's voice was tired or I don't know, It really don't seems at the same level than the other DBBT in terms of quality of the voice, but maybe it's just me. I do think that in a good moment he would have done much more better, but we'll never know ^^ And you're right I completely forgot that NG version is just a demo, I like it so much that it's just a regular Oasis song to me My theory of the plan for the dvd and the "single" being purposely kept on the side doesn't really work ^^ It took a long fucking time for that documentary to finally see the light of day. Noel premiered it around NYC in October 2006. Didn't officially come out until October 2007. I wonder how much better the "Lord Don't Slow Me Down" single would have done with a physical CD release backed by 2 REAL b-sides. Not lame ass live tracks from 2 summers ago. Noel and company bragged about the stockpiles of songs Oasis recorded during the DBTT era, something like 40 they boasted, yet we didn't really hear many of them until years and years later. It would have been more exciting to get them out back in 2005-2007 by being b-sides or that canceled Boy With The Blues EP. Oh I agree that the digital single wasn't the best option possible, I'm just glad that the song wasn't totally scrapped in the end so it's kind of better than nothing to me. Didn't remember that the documentary was released so long after the album, all seems to go pretty fast in my memory, but it was my early "Oasis days" so that probably explains that ^^ Now I agree with you for the B-Sides and all, but at that time all was new to me, even live songs were a good thing for me That's why I don't really have an issue with it, wasn't used to anything else and at that moment was also listening to every other Oasis albums, b sides, discovering demos and all, bootlegs... I didn't really needed more songs as I was very late
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 15, 2019 11:04:45 GMT -5
Except we have heard the version with Liam on vocals. I believe Noel has said that the version with him singing is the demo. This means that they at least attempted to record it for the album, as I doubt that Liam would put down a lead vocal track during the session if it wasn't already a candidate. My only guess is that Noel didn't like that vocal and scrapped it. The demo was good enough to release later when they needed something. Anyway, still seems like a bit of a mystery. Yeah the Liam version shows that it was supposed to be a Liam's track on the album, but I don't think it's just Noel who didn't like it. Some people will not like what I said, but I do find Liam's voice "weak", not saying it's bad, but not album level or I don't know what imo. If Liam wasn't ok with the song being scrapped we would have heard him about it again and again... ^^ I think they recorded it at a bad moment, maybe end of sessions and Liam's voice was tired or I don't know, It really don't seems at the same level than the other DBBT in terms of quality of the voice, but maybe it's just me. I do think that in a good moment he would have done much more better, but we'll never know ^^ And you're right I completely forgot that NG version is just a demo, I like it so much that it's just a regular Oasis song to me My theory of the plan for the dvd and the "single" being purposely kept on the side doesn't really work ^^ It took a long fucking time for that documentary to finally see the light of day. Noel premiered it around NYC in October 2006. Didn't officially come out until October 2007. I wonder how much better the "Lord Don't Slow Me Down" single would have done with a physical CD release backed by 2 REAL b-sides. Not lame ass live tracks from 2 summers ago. Noel and company bragged about the stockpiles of songs Oasis recorded during the DBTT era, something like 40 they boasted, yet we didn't really hear many of them until years and years later. It would have been more exciting to get them out back in 2005-2007 by being b-sides or that canceled Boy With The Blues EP. Oh I agree that the digital single wasn't the best option possible, I'm just glad that the song wasn't totally scrapped in the end so it's kind of better than nothing to me. Didn't remember that the documentary was released so long after the album, all seems to go pretty fast in my memory, but it was my early "Oasis days" so that probably explains that ^^ Now I agree with you for the B-Sides and all, but at that time all was new to me, even live songs were a good thing for me That's why I don't really have an issue with it, wasn't used to anything else and at that moment was also listening to every other Oasis albums, b sides, discovering demos and all, bootlegs... I didn't really needed more songs as I was very late There was a time, about 2-3 months prior to us hearing anything from DBTT, that Noel described the album as Highway 61 Revisited. At the time I thought that was a bizarre thing to say. I never associated Oasis with ever sounding like Bob Dylan in 1965. So peculiar. Then when the album leaked I really didn’t understand that statement. It would be a stretch to call it at. Maybe Idle and Queue had that sort of sound. But not much else. Years later when you add in Lord Don’t Slow Me Down, She Must Be One of Us and Let It Come Down Over Me, do you start to hear some very slight Dylan. Harmonica. Whistles. Stomping. Mid 60 hallmarks of Bob. Believe you me, it’s hardly Dylan.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 15, 2019 12:47:02 GMT -5
Yeah the Liam version shows that it was supposed to be a Liam's track on the album, but I don't think it's just Noel who didn't like it. Some people will not like what I said, but I do find Liam's voice "weak", not saying it's bad, but not album level or I don't know what imo. If Liam wasn't ok with the song being scrapped we would have heard him about it again and again... ^^ I think they recorded it at a bad moment, maybe end of sessions and Liam's voice was tired or I don't know, It really don't seems at the same level than the other DBBT in terms of quality of the voice, but maybe it's just me. I do think that in a good moment he would have done much more better, but we'll never know ^^ And you're right I completely forgot that NG version is just a demo, I like it so much that it's just a regular Oasis song to me My theory of the plan for the dvd and the "single" being purposely kept on the side doesn't really work ^^ Oh I agree that the digital single wasn't the best option possible, I'm just glad that the song wasn't totally scrapped in the end so it's kind of better than nothing to me. Didn't remember that the documentary was released so long after the album, all seems to go pretty fast in my memory, but it was my early "Oasis days" so that probably explains that ^^ Now I agree with you for the B-Sides and all, but at that time all was new to me, even live songs were a good thing for me That's why I don't really have an issue with it, wasn't used to anything else and at that moment was also listening to every other Oasis albums, b sides, discovering demos and all, bootlegs... I didn't really needed more songs as I was very late There was a time, about 2-3 months prior to us hearing anything from DBTT, that Noel described the album as Highway 61 Revisited. At the time I thought that was a bizarre thing to say. I never associated Oasis with ever sounding like Bob Dylan in 1965. So peculiar. Then when the album leaked I really didn’t understand that statement. It would be a stretch to call it at. Maybe Idle and Queue had that sort of sound. But not much else. Years later when you add in Lord Don’t Slow Me Down, She Must Be One of Us and Let It Come Down Over Me, do you start to hear some very slight Dylan. Harmonica. Whistles. Stomping. Mid 60 hallmarks of Bob. Believe you me, it’s hardly Dylan. Mucky Fingers also sounds a bit like Dylan.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Sept 17, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -5
I loved DBTT when it came out but It's my least favourite Oasis album now. Only songs I rate are TUTS and IOBI. LTBL is a good song but it sounds too sterile, POTQ is decent but the rest is on 00's Oasis b-side level. Not enough Liam sung /Noel written songs.
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 18, 2019 9:25:08 GMT -5
I think Standing... is clearly better. Fuckin' in the Bushes, Go Let it Out, Who Feels Love, Where Did it All Go Wrong, Gas Panic, Roll it Over; there was the blueprint for a new darker, more intricate sound there. Don't Believe the Truth has Idle and some pleasant tunes, but it's half-baked and stacked with filler. Put One Way Road, Little by Little, and Let's All Make Believe on SOTSOG and you've got a fine debut for Oasis MkII. All you can get out of Don't Believe the Truth is a listenable semi-acoustic record. What I love about SOTSOG is that it is as close to a "Noel & Liam as a double act" album as we are going to get now. Liam on the majority of vocal duties before he started sounding like a parody of himself, Noel writing the majority of the songs and playing pretty much all of the instruments. Outside the holy trinity of the first 3, it is definitely my favourite and I find myself going back to it regularly. The rest of them, you can barely cobble together a full good album. DBTT? Absolutely no chance, the rot had well and truly set in by then. Each to their own I guess.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 18, 2019 20:44:25 GMT -5
Noel is currently listening to Why Me? Why Not and weeping while cradling his vinyl edition of The Death of You And Me.
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Post by coconutstall on Sept 19, 2019 6:16:40 GMT -5
Man I wish that is how their interviews would go nowadays. Just general non biased opinions, I think even if Liam wrote a song as good as Live Forever now Noel wouldn't admit in public that he likes it. Liam on the other hand I think would be honest, he did say he liked Dead in the Water but even then I think he would be inclined to trash it. The whole thing is just sad, Noel just seems so out of touch with reality its ridiculous and if Liam just didn't mention him and do all the other crazy shit (like messaging Anais etc) he would come off so much better.
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Post by blkc on Sept 19, 2019 9:50:10 GMT -5
Noel is currently listening to Why Me? Why Not and weeping while cradling his vinyl edition of The Death of You And Me. In your dreams maybe
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Post by shinpad on Sept 19, 2019 18:40:14 GMT -5
It's always "my songs", my this, my that. He's really convinced himself that he's the sole reason for Oasis' success.
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 20, 2019 2:39:23 GMT -5
It's always "my songs", my this, my that. He's really convinced himself that he's the sole reason for Oasis' success. If you had to give it a percentage, what percentage of Oasis' success do you attribute to Noel?
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Post by redvers on Sept 20, 2019 4:40:37 GMT -5
Noel is currently listening to Why Me? Why Not and weeping while cradling his vinyl edition of The Death of You And Me. Yeah it made me wanna cry as well tbh.
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 20, 2019 6:30:00 GMT -5
Noel is currently listening to Why Me? Why Not and weeping while cradling his vinyl edition of The Death of You And Me. Yeah it made me wanna cry as well tbh. lol
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 20, 2019 6:46:14 GMT -5
I loved DBTT when it came out but It's my least favourite Oasis album now. Only songs I rate are TUTS and IOBI. LTBL is a good song but it sounds too sterile, POTQ is decent but the rest is on 00's Oasis b-side level. Not enough Liam sung /Noel written songs. "Howl" by BRMC came out the same year and has the same acoustic tone. its so much better than DBTT.
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Post by ricardogce on Sept 20, 2019 11:45:11 GMT -5
It's always "my songs", my this, my that. He's really convinced himself that he's the sole reason for Oasis' success. If you had to give it a percentage, what percentage of Oasis' success do you attribute to Noel? Exactly half.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Sept 20, 2019 15:26:19 GMT -5
I loved DBTT when it came out but It's my least favourite Oasis album now. Only songs I rate are TUTS and IOBI. LTBL is a good song but it sounds too sterile, POTQ is decent but the rest is on 00's Oasis b-side level. Not enough Liam sung /Noel written songs. "Howl" by BRMC came out the same year and has the same acoustic tone. its so much better than DBTT. Agreed, great album.
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Post by aesthetic on Sept 24, 2019 6:06:55 GMT -5
If you had to give it a percentage, what percentage of Oasis' success do you attribute to Noel? Exactly half. lol
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 26, 2019 10:02:27 GMT -5
He was wealthier in the 90s than he is now, so that wouldn't make much sense. He simply means that he doesn't have to put up with Liams bull shit because his finances are no longer dependent on Oasis.
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