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Post by philko87 on Aug 12, 2019 7:30:16 GMT -5
Great interview, all the better for the lack of Liam nonsense.
Agree that I don’t think Holmes and Noel were trying to create music that was unemotional, it sounds to me like it just wasn’t the starting point of the tracks.
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Post by leron on Aug 12, 2019 8:19:52 GMT -5
Music should always be about emotions imo Good Interview though
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Post by andymorris on Aug 12, 2019 8:26:42 GMT -5
You can write good music without emotion. As a musician, i relate to this. You can totally create something musically just by experimenting with sounds and gear. Just like you experiment in painting, sculpture or whatever.
Better then faking emotion in my book.
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Post by Wolf on Aug 12, 2019 9:35:38 GMT -5
He sold the one in Chalfont St Giles in 2018, so I think he might be looking at another one. Bit disappointed because it is literally down the road from where my Mum lives. Unless you're referring to somewhere else? “We’re just about to move out to Hampshire,” he adds. “We didn’t want the kids growing up in London.” Yeah, Hampshire. He got married not far from here, apparently adores it. He'll be next door to me as well, I'm in the Dorset area, weird to think. Although he got married in the New Forest didn't he?
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Post by northernsky on Aug 12, 2019 10:07:54 GMT -5
Ah, so Noel doesn’t want his new music to be emotional. So now I understand completely why WBTM and his subsequent releases have mostly left me cold. All makes sense now, carry on....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 10:41:15 GMT -5
“We’re just about to move out to Hampshire,” he adds. “We didn’t want the kids growing up in London.” Yeah, Hampshire. He got married not far from here, apparently adores it. He'll be next door to me as well, I'm in the Dorset area, weird to think. Although he got married in the New Forest didn't he? Yeah, Lime Wood Hotel in Lyndhurst, New Forest. It’s In Hampshire. You’re Dorset? I’m just over the border, I’ve probably bumped into you haha, small place.
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Post by bogaloo on Aug 12, 2019 11:14:33 GMT -5
"about whom I have been forbidden from asking questions" Good decision. Much more interesting to hear him talk about other things. Absolutely! Let's just hope Liam's management or Liam himself makes the same decision and everyone's life will be better.
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 12, 2019 11:57:21 GMT -5
“We’re just about to move out to Hampshire,” he adds. “We didn’t want the kids growing up in London.” Yeah, Hampshire. He got married not far from here, apparently adores it. He'll be next door to me as well, I'm in the Dorset area, weird to think. Although he got married in the New Forest didn't he? The Daily Mail was all over this back in May: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7070865/Enrol-Noel-Gallagher-buys-8m-country-pile-son-exclusive-school.html. I guess just because he mentioned it in the interview, it became click bait, er, news again.
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Post by blkc on Aug 12, 2019 12:06:35 GMT -5
Ah, so Noel doesn’t want his new music to be emotional. So now I understand completely why WBTM and his subsequent releases have mostly left me cold. All makes sense now, carry on.... He isn't saying that he doesn't want emotions at all, he just said that Holmes told him that what he played at some point during the studio work was TOO MUCH emotional... That's absolutely not what you and some are describing I'm sorry, it's not about getting rid of any emotion in his songs ^^ I don't understand the need to turn his words around to make him say something he didn't, what's the point ? Fair enough if you were left cold by WBTM, but that album isn't empty of emotions, or are you saying that me and all of those who like it are just feeling "imaginary emotions" ?
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Post by northernsky on Aug 12, 2019 13:45:12 GMT -5
Ah, so Noel doesn’t want his new music to be emotional. So now I understand completely why WBTM and his subsequent releases have mostly left me cold. All makes sense now, carry on.... He isn't saying that he doesn't want emotions at all, he just said that Holmes told him that what he played at some point during the studio work was TOO MUCH emotional... That's absolutely not what you and some are describing I'm sorry, it's not about getting rid of any emotion in his songs ^^ I don't understand the need to turn his words around to make him say something he didn't, what's the point ? Fair enough if you were left cold by WBTM, but that album isn't empty of emotions, or are you saying that me and all of those who like it are just feeling "imaginary emotions" ? No, just saying that if I didn’t feel any big emotional moments, and if Noel says he wasn’t going for that, then it all lines up, right?
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Post by blkc on Aug 12, 2019 14:41:38 GMT -5
No, just saying that if I didn’t feel any big emotional moments, and if Noel says he wasn’t going for that, then it all lines up, right? I don't think it lines up because I think that you're misinterpreting his words. Again he didn't said that he wasn't going for emotions or "don't want is music to be emotional at all", it's not even about the finalized songs but about the writing process in the studio, and about the very start of this process. Going back to the roots notes at first, writing on another instrument than a guitar at first... It doesn't mean there will not be any guitars or emotions in the end, it's not describing the full recording process at all. I'm sorry but it's a complete nonsense to say that he doesn't want emotions in his songs
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Post by northernsky on Aug 12, 2019 18:46:53 GMT -5
No, just saying that if I didn’t feel any big emotional moments, and if Noel says he wasn’t going for that, then it all lines up, right? I don't think it lines up because I think that you're misinterpreting his words. Again he didn't said that he wasn't going for emotions or "don't want is music to be emotional at all", it's not even about the finalized songs but about the writing process in the studio, and about the very start of this process. Going back to the roots notes at first, writing on another instrument than a guitar at first... It doesn't mean there will not be any guitars or emotions in the end, it's not describing the full recording process at all. I'm sorry but it's a complete nonsense to say that he doesn't want emotions in his songs I really wasn’t trying to make some sweeping dissertation with my short little post. Just a small, personal observation: WBTM left much less emotional impact on me than Noel’s previous work, which I found odd. But here he says that David Holmes specifically steered him away from musical ideas with “too much emotion.” So I simply thought, given my reaction to the music, “Well, that makes sense then.”
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Post by blkc on Aug 12, 2019 19:27:57 GMT -5
I really wasn’t trying to make some sweeping dissertation with my short little post. Just a small, personal observation: WBTM left much less emotional impact on me than Noel’s previous work, which I found odd. But here he says that David Holmes specifically steered him away from musical ideas with “too much emotion.” So I simply thought, given my reaction to the music, “Well, that makes sense then.” Oh don't worry I don't make a big deal of this, I just have trouble to make things short, but I'm working on it It was also connected to other comments I've seen about him not wanting emotions or doing emotionless stuff and I didn't really get why it was interpreted this way since music is all about emotions ^^, but I do understand what you mean and why you link it to this comment
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Post by shannee on Aug 12, 2019 22:53:03 GMT -5
Obviously I cannot know for sure, but I think Noel's words about emotion are being misunderstood. I also think some comments about Holmes influence are misled. I think Noel's point about "emotion" is that when he writes now with the guitar, he tends to write mid-tempo or slow-tempo songs based on the vocal melody. That naturally leads him to a certain type of arrangements and a certain type of lyrics. And then he ends up generating 10 "emotional" songs like e.g. 'The Dying of the Light' for an album cycle. These may be good songs, but may not reflect his actual feelings and do not allow him to deliver varied albums and shows. Holmes said from the first interviews that he wanted Noel to create up-tempo stuff. In the 90s, Noel could write amazing up-tempo rock songs but now it seems he finds it difficult. I would say TSOTL is the only truly great and effortless one from 2000 to WBTM. From interviews, it seems Holmes tried to revert that by encouraging him to focus in other elements such as bass and percussion and on other styles of up-tempo music (dance, soul, 60's surf groups,...). As result, Noel wrote more up-tempo songs in different styles (Holy Mountain, Fort Knox, Keep on Reaching, BSD, TITP...), and more hooks based on the instrumentation and arrangements (e.g. Fort Knox, STHTF, TMWBTM, TITP), without abandoning strong vocal melodies (most WBTM songs have strong vocal lines and in songs like ILITL and DITW it is still the main hook). So I think Holmes influence is much deeper than 'adding bells and whistles', and the goal was never to make something 'avant garde'. The goal was widening Noel's hat of tricks and it seems he has succeeded: now Noel is writing some songs with different structure, hooks and instrumentation and credits Holmes for it. I think this was much needed and I think WBTM and TITP are his most exciting work in a long time, but obviously it is a matter of taste. Still, I think most of Noel songs will always follow his classic template; it's only that now he feels able to escape from it when needed and probably he also thinks that in these EPs he can take things a little further than in an album. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk Interesting point. I do think Noel learned a lot from Holmes. I would be surprised if Noel worked with him again though just because I think Noel is a bit of a sponge and quite good at absorbing everything he can out of someone and moving forward on his own. It seems though that Holmes did get him very excited again about making music and I think that is Noels primary interest right now, instrumentation, with the lyrics being very secondary. With time I think this initial excitement will wear down and he will be able to fuse his two talents back together again, the music and emotional lyrics, maybe more successfully than we have seen in a very long time
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Post by aesthetic on Aug 13, 2019 6:32:09 GMT -5
He sold the one in Chalfont St Giles in 2018, so I think he might be looking at another one. Bit disappointed because it is literally down the road from where my Mum lives. Unless you're referring to somewhere else? “We’re just about to move out to Hampshire,” he adds. “We didn’t want the kids growing up in London.” Yeah, Hampshire. He got married not far from here, apparently adores it. Ah fair enough. I didn't read the whole article, aint nobody got time for that.
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Post by glider on Apr 20, 2023 15:02:29 GMT -5
Noel is insulated from criticism, so I think it’s going to be a few years of beats, boops, electronics, bass lines, and Ysee moaning all over the place... Still. I want Noel to break my heart one more time...then, he can chase Thom Yorke the rest of his life... Well...
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