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Post by oasisunited on Aug 5, 2019 8:41:52 GMT -5
True, though I guess I was thinking back to the increasing number of both Noel sung songs and unreleased stuff from that period. Without knowing what Liam thinks is "quirky" it hard to know if he is generally less musically conservative or more so than Noel. However, based on the lane Liam is currently swimming in, it seems like unless is it in the vein of My Big Mouth or Cast No Shadow, its not for him. I'm specifically thinking of something like Part of the Queue. I could totally see Liam saying "I'm not singing that" and Noel saying (at the time) "This is the greatest song I have ever written" (as he does for each song he writes). I have no doubt that in many ways Liam is more musically conservative than Noel however I'm not having it that Noel was trying to push the boundaries in Oasis and being held back by Liam. I don't think there is anything to support that. Noel tried something a little different on SOTSOG, it got panned and he backed away from that for the next two records. This is just another example of of Noel carrying out some revisionism. Totally. I was not trying to imply that Noel is this creative avant-garde force. I merely find it interesting that there was a song (or set of songs) that prompted Liam to have that discussion with Noel. I would love to know what Liam felt was "quirky" and/or how that affected what songs Noel would bring to the table from that point forward. I can totally see Noel saying to himself: "If Liam thinks [whatever song it is] was quirky, I'm going to bring these songs to the table so I can sing them."
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Post by CFC2013 on Aug 5, 2019 8:46:48 GMT -5
This guy can be so ignorant at times. Jeez.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 5, 2019 8:53:29 GMT -5
igotflair has raised exactly the same point that I have? Dig her out? So because you think he's a dick... I think Noel's a dick too. I also think Liam's a dick. I made a point about the promo and using a sad situation to their advantage. I don’t think they’re dicks, I try to find the best in everyone. It’s a fault I’m aware of and I’m working on it. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were in the wrong. I was in a rush and shouldn't have snapped at Oa in that sense, so apologies. I agree entirely with trying to see the best in everyone. I don't think Noel and Liam are all bad, I just don't think either of them are all good. But I just feel it's classic Noel by the numbers just for his promo (and Liam does it a lot too). They both know the game. I think we agree on that.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 5, 2019 8:54:23 GMT -5
Noel tried something a little different on SOTSOG, it got panned and he backed away from that for the next two records. This is just another example of of Noel carrying out some revisionism. but Tom, isn't that revisionism too ? How do we know what happened inside the band at the time ? Are HC and DBTT only Noel's decision ? At the time, the decisions were maybe made as a band, more than just Noel himself. We dont know.
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Post by oasismackem on Aug 5, 2019 8:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rolo on Aug 5, 2019 8:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by mancraider on Aug 5, 2019 9:00:11 GMT -5
the robot vocal on the Once interlude is weirder than anything I've heard from Noel tbh. 😂😂. Plus as I've said before Noel is renowned for being a control freak and boasted many times during Oasis that he could manipulate Liam into doing whatever he wanted so this latest shite about Liam holding him back creatively is transparent bollocks to sell himself as edgy and creative. Plus let's not forget that Liam tried to get Oasis to record with DiV in 2003 and it was Noel that blocked it in the end. I'm not trying to defend either of them on this. I find it interesting that Noel would bring up that conversation, if true. I'd love to know what song or songs it was about, as I think that would give us a lot of insight into the creative divide. Otherwise, we are just cherry picking examples of songs that fit our arguments. Know what song or songs it was said in reference to would actually help us understand who was being rigid. Also, the "robot voice" in Once is not that original: it sounds like a homage/dead rip-off of the counting on the demo version of A Day In The Life from the Anthology. I know it's not original, neither is anything Noel has done.this isn't a new quote from Noel anyway, he said exactly the same thing prior to WBTM being released when he was trying to sell the idea that it was far out and original. I don't think there is anything to support the idea that either of them are anything but fairly conservative in their musical taste. Liams taste is pure rock and roll while Noel has an additional interest in house/dance music. This is evidenced in their respective solo career development. I don't personally see much difference in terms of experimenting between fucking in the Bushes and Noel's latest releases, except FITB is much better. And Liam didn't stop him releasing that.
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Post by eva on Aug 5, 2019 9:03:48 GMT -5
"Oasis words were about including people" he says while alienating half the fan base
I don't like these PR interviews. He used to be funny and sarcastic. I don't enjoy these anymore. The same way I don't enjoy when Liam goes on twitter rants against Sara.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 9:15:38 GMT -5
I truly hope he was being ironic with that line about Liam's birth. And even if he is, i don't think his mother will be happy to find out he actually said such a thing. This is going way too far, sarcasm or not.
And calling the fan-base unsophisticated is absolutely hilarious. Sorry mate, but when the majority of the music on your records since Chasing Yesterday, is shit and lounge room worthy, you have no grounds to say that. It's not like you are Thom Yorke or something, and i listen to all genres, many artists, new and old, i have a good idea of what is sophisticated music, and yours ain't. And with me are countless of my mates and other people who i talk about music with, who like the Gallagher's music in general, but also to listen to countless records each year from other people and absolutely lol'ed at this line from him, when compared to the music we listen each year and is out there for all to hear.
Noel is stuck in his own bubble, like he's the greatest thing since un-sliced bread, and he's increasingly becoming a more arrogant dickhead as he ages. At least in the 90´s he had a legit claim at calling himself that good.
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Post by Aman on Aug 5, 2019 9:21:52 GMT -5
Lol Noel is such a gimp.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 5, 2019 9:35:31 GMT -5
Can't stand him now. So bitter. It really is unbearable isnt it. I swear its just a handful of people on here that i still see refer to him like people did before. Everywhere else amongst fans, on every facebook group, speaking to people at gigs etc. No one can stand what hes become.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 5, 2019 9:36:33 GMT -5
You can tell even the interviewer cant stand him. Says alot when you can manage to give that impression from a neutral Guardian interviewer.
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Post by plasticbeliever on Aug 5, 2019 9:43:45 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just too simple a lad, but I fucking lost it at his suggestion that Liam's touring band are only in it for all-you-can eat crisps.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 5, 2019 9:44:02 GMT -5
Can't stand him now. So bitter. It really is unbearable isnt it. I swear its just a handful of people on here that i still see refer to him like people did before. Everywhere else amongst fans, on every facebook group, speaking to people at gigs etc. No one can stand what hes become. The negativity shown by fans towards Noel nowadays on Oasis fan group posts is quite telling. I just really don't see what he's trying to achieve by calling his own fans "unsophisticated", he's said something similar in a number of interviews now. It's ridiculous.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 5, 2019 9:45:20 GMT -5
I truly hope he was being ironic with that line about Liam's birth. And even if he is, i don't think his mother will be happy to find out he actually said such a thing. This is going way too far, sarcasm or not. And calling the fan-base unsophisticated is absolutely hilarious. Sorry mate, but when the majority of the music on your records since Chasing Yesterday, is shit and lounge room worthy, you have no grounds to say that. It's not like you are Thom Yorke or something, and i listen to all genres, many artists, new and old, i have a good idea of what is sophisticated music, and yours ain't. And with me are countless of my mates and other people who i talk about music with, who like the Gallagher's music in general, but also to listen to countless records each year from other people and absolutely lol'ed at this line from him, when compared to the music we listen each year and is out there for all to hear. Noel is stuck in his own bubble, like he's the greatest thing since since un-sliced bread, and he's increasingly becoming a more arrogant dickhead as he ages. At least in the 90´s he had a legit claim to calling himself that good. Great post. Hit in the nail on the head. This is a man who prided himself (to the point it was cingeworthy) on the fact he only listened to the Beatles and a few greatest hits all his fucking life. Now hes had this sudden attack of conscience that all these people hes hated all his life class him as some generic formulaic songwriter and suddenly he does some shit that isnt even that out there - and he thinks hes fucking David Bowie.
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 5, 2019 9:47:58 GMT -5
Paul is the only decent Gallagher these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 9:55:14 GMT -5
You can tell even the interviewer cant stand him. Says alot when you can manage to give that impression from a neutral Guardian interviewer. This. The journo is a Liverpool supporter and a cancer survivor. He knows what real struggles are. Probably sick of the Gallagher first world problems.
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Post by dampcottage on Aug 5, 2019 10:04:30 GMT -5
Paul is the only decent Gallagher these days. The only truly decent Gallagher was and always will be Frank, heart of gold
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Post by martinpaul on Aug 5, 2019 10:10:27 GMT -5
The irony is if Noel truly didn't give a shit what we (his fans, sophisticated or un) thought about his music, and if he really didn't care what the press thought, or anyone else for that matter he would just do it. Record it, release it and crack on. He name checks Bowie, Neil Young as artist he admires and they used to (in Young's case still does) do what type of music they wanted, released it when they wanted, toured it in full (without falling back on the 'hits' to sell tickets)
Me thinks you doth protest too much Noel.
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Post by pliolite on Aug 5, 2019 10:39:11 GMT -5
Dan Wootton does realise he works for a paper aimed at chavs? He is literally the lowest journo in the country and has the sophistication of cat shit.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Aug 5, 2019 10:44:55 GMT -5
What a sad little man
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Post by Binary Sunset on Aug 5, 2019 10:52:50 GMT -5
i have no problem with Noel slagging off Liam but calling his fans unsophisticated is such a arrogant thing to say. Since he's making shitty elevator music his head has gone so far up his own arse it's sad. He completely forgot where his roots are, what made him big, and who made him big This.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Aug 5, 2019 10:54:44 GMT -5
"He’s pulled off the incredible magic trick of making those Oasis songs sound weedy and thin." The truth is that, when it comes to live shows, most instrumentalists and background singers - like Noel - can easily be replaced and for most people it doesn't make much of a difference who's handling which instrument.
And that's why a Liam solo show is much more enjoyable for most Oasis fans than a gig from the former lead guitarist whose voice is clearly unable to cope with most of the output from his former band and whose guitar playing duty can easily be fulfilled by any other guy out there. Noel should realise that he's not the Jimi Hendrix of the 90s and that no one misses the sound of his guitar on an LG gig.
Eh, Noel is being super annoying with his casual distaste for the songs and fans that made him famous, but I do miss his guitar at LG gig. They would be so much better.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 5, 2019 10:58:35 GMT -5
"He’s pulled off the incredible magic trick of making those Oasis songs sound weedy and thin." The truth is that, when it comes to live shows, most instrumentalists and background singers - like Noel - can easily be replaced and for most people it doesn't make much of a difference who's handling which instrument.
And that's why a Liam solo show is much more enjoyable for most Oasis fans than a gig from the former lead guitarist whose voice is clearly unable to cope with most of the output from his former band and whose guitar playing duty can easily be fulfilled by any other guy out there. Noel should realise that he's not the Jimi Hendrix of the 90s and that no one misses the sound of his guitar on an LG gig.
Eh, Noel is being super annoying with his casual distaste for the songs and fans that made him famous, but I do miss his guitar at LG gig. They would be so much better. Yep.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 5, 2019 11:02:00 GMT -5
It really is unbearable isnt it. I swear its just a handful of people on here that i still see refer to him like people did before. Everywhere else amongst fans, on every facebook group, speaking to people at gigs etc. No one can stand what hes become. The negativity shown by fans towards Noel nowadays on Oasis fan group posts is quite telling. I just really don't see what he's trying to achieve by calling his own fans "unsophisticated", he's said something similar in a number of interviews now. It's ridiculous. I really struggle too why he mocks all the fanbase thats supported him for so long - he does it almost as if everyone at his new gigs are new fans? We were buying HC, DBTT and DOYS whilst other music fans would be levelling the exact same accusations at his songwriting. Or maybe thats just it - maybe it's a form of denial. Maybe its his way of emphasising how sophisticated he thinks he know appears. Nevertheless, its bordering Morrissey territory now. Stop this shit or someones gonna say something that really ruins sonething.
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