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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2019 7:21:07 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with having an opinion, or having 1000 + posts (mine are nearly all about BHN)... It's just that some of your posts appeared to be a bit too preoccupied with their personal life. And at the end of the day, they are the ones making their millions, and probably wouldn't piss on any of us mere mortals even if we were on fire. Hmmmm...pretty sure you spent a considerable amount of time in another thread being exactly what you are aiming at this bloke. Seeing as you stalked my posts, which thread?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2019 7:23:50 GMT -5
Breathtakingly arrogant statement. I'm sure their respective friends and family might have something to say about that. Isn't it great when someone can say somethin like this about people he doesn't know yet tries to claim the moral high ground. It's easy if you try.
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Post by MONO on Aug 14, 2019 1:39:07 GMT -5
The fact that Liam didn't react to Noel's provocations makes the latter look even more "old and grumpy"
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Aug 14, 2019 3:24:10 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is one of my biggest inspirations, and it fucking sucks seeing him this bitter and sad. He could be having the success of his brother, but he's choosing to make this music which just alienates him from a lot of his fans (not saying it's all bad!). Still, looking forward to see him in November but a lot of respect has been lost I don't see at all Noel being bitter for Liam's success. I think it's that he's pissed at Liam. You can take it back to the lawsuit, which he made a number of comments on around that time. Now it's all the comments Liam makes on his Twitter and the going after his kids. I can't say I blame Noel for that. But then he turns around and acts just as childish as Liam saying stuff that he thinks will hurt or annoy him. Personally, I wish Peggy would give them both a good clip upside the head and tell them both to start acting like the adults they are. As for the music Noel's making, he's pretty much said that he doesn't care if it's as big as Oasis was. He's enjoying doing something different. And if you've seen him on tour supporting "Who Built the Moon," it's obvious when he's on stage how much he's enjoying that music and touring with his current band. While he could have definitely had more tact with how he said it, if you don't like the cosmic pop, you still have the Oasis albums to listen to. For me, personally, while I love the Oasis stadium rockers and wouldn't complain if he went back to that some day, I am enjoying seeing this different musical side to Noel, although I can understand why some Oasis fans don't.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 14, 2019 12:10:03 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is one of my biggest inspirations, and it fucking sucks seeing him this bitter and sad. He could be having the success of his brother, but he's choosing to make this music which just alienates him from a lot of his fans (not saying it's all bad!). Still, looking forward to see him in November but a lot of respect has been lost I don't see at all Noel being bitter for Liam's success. I think it's that he's pissed at Liam. You can take it back to the lawsuit, which he made a number of comments on around that time. Now it's all the comments Liam makes on his Twitter and the going after his kids. I can't say I blame Noel for that. But then he turns around and acts just as childish as Liam saying stuff that he thinks will hurt or annoy him. Personally, I wish Peggy would give them both a good clip upside the head and tell them both to start acting like the adults they are. As for the music Noel's making, he's pretty much said that he doesn't care if it's as big as Oasis was. He's enjoying doing something different. And if you've seen him on tour supporting "Who Built the Moon," it's obvious when he's on stage how much he's enjoying that music and touring with his current band. While he could have definitely had more tact with how he said it, if you don't like the cosmic pop, you still have the Oasis albums to listen to. For me, personally, while I love the Oasis stadium rockers and wouldn't complain if he went back to that some day, I am enjoying seeing this different musical side to Noel, although I can understand why some Oasis fans don't. This sounds like a very well rounded, well balanced, intelligent post, without any petty, childish bitchiness towards either brother. What the hell are you playing at? I'm going to report this quickly to the mods in case we get more posts like this on here. We can't have these threads turning into intelligent discussions now can we.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 14, 2019 13:14:07 GMT -5
And change is a normal thing to happen. Cant behave like a 20 year old when you are in your 50's. At some point everyone slows down whether they like it or not. Some do it gracefully other less so. Not pointing fingers nor saying names. yes, agreed. change is normal. i'm not saying noel should be behaving like he's 25 with a bottle of jack and snorting rails. i'm saying change as in fundamentally as a person.Did you know him 20 years ago? Do you know him now? No. So how you can say he's 'fundamentally changed as a person' is baffling.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 14, 2019 13:26:04 GMT -5
Geez man, we're on an Oasis forum. Reading many interviews and stories about these guys over the years, a lot of these facts are well known so I would hardly call it an unhealthy obsession. Regarding the second bolded point, his own mom has stated numerous times (latest being in 'As it Was') that Liam's never changed. That's why old pals like Bonehead and Tony have said that Liam is still the same good lad he's always been. Not to say he hasn't changed...everyone does. But he does seem to be way more grounded than Noel these days. Liam may not have been affected by fame and changed him as much as Noel, but whether he is the same `good' lad is debatable. Whether Liam was ever a `good' lad is the real point here. By the things he comes out with on Twitter, throwing abuse at Noel's family, and the endless hell-raising stories during the Oasis years, I don't think Liam was ever a saint, and a thoroughly decent human being. You're right. He probably hasn't changed as much as Noel. Of course, hell-raising is what we wanted from our rock stars back then growing up. It doesn't sit that well anymore when a man reaches his late 40's, and becomes a responsible parent (from various different women). There seems to be a holier-than-thou attitude by certain Liam fans on here, that they just can't bring themselves to put him in a negative light, and instead try to and focus all their negative attitude towards Noel. Bottom line - they are probably both not very nice blokes if you spent time in their company. Noel has turned into a pretentious twat, and Liam is probably still Liam - slightly unhinged, unpredictable, aggressive - the kind of bloke you would avoid in a pub when he starts getting too pissed. And they can both probably be dead sound, too. Y'know, just like people are. People make mistakes. They do stupid stuff and say stupid stuff. Nowadays - though maybe it has always been about, it's just now everyone can voice an opinion (ourselves included) - there's this thing with fandoms (whether it's music, artists, football clubs, players, actors, or whatever) that they can do no wrong. Or that everything is black and white. We saw this with the whole ugly business on Twitter a few weeks back. Yes, I don't think what Noel did in publicising was a mature or responsible thing to do. But the main thing was Liam sending that stupid text. You then have people (only a few) twisting it all back around to the point where one comment was "he didn't threaten to kill her." It's really weird. I think they're both probably dead sound if they like you. If they don't like you, or you don't like them or whatever, they're probably not people you'd want to ever be around. But like you've said, they live in a completely different world and have done for 25 years. People seem to think Noel's changed but he hasn't. He's always been ruthless. He's grown up. Same goes for Liam. He's grown up. He's mellowed (mostly). But both still have that mad streak that made them what they were and still are. That desire and determination to keep on going and getting bigger and better. I do laugh when I see people claim Liam is some completely normal guy, just down to earth. They'll then use an example of an interview or a film about him to show how normal he is. I don't think having a documentary broadcasting how 'normal' you are is normal. And same goes for Noel. Though the difference with Noel is he hasn't been marketed by frankly a genius in Debbie. I mean, he didn't need it. He knew how to do it himself. Always has done. So he can come across as a dick but he doesn't care. Liam doesn't give a fuck either. But he's marketed in a way now that he can say dickish things and people will lap it up, because he's one of the true great rock stars left and by God does this world need them.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 14, 2019 13:34:48 GMT -5
Liam may not have been affected by fame and changed him as much as Noel, but whether he is the same `good' lad is debatable. Whether Liam was ever a `good' lad is the real point here. By the things he comes out with on Twitter, throwing abuse at Noel's family, and the endless hell-raising stories during the Oasis years, I don't think Liam was ever a saint, and a thoroughly decent human being. You're right. He probably hasn't changed as much as Noel. Of course, hell-raising is what we wanted from our rock stars back then growing up. It doesn't sit that well anymore when a man reaches his late 40's, and becomes a responsible parent (from various different women). There seems to be a holier-than-thou attitude by certain Liam fans on here, that they just can't bring themselves to put him in a negative light, and instead try to and focus all their negative attitude towards Noel. Bottom line - they are probably both not very nice blokes if you spent time in their company. Noel has turned into a pretentious twat, and Liam is probably still Liam - slightly unhinged, unpredictable, aggressive - the kind of bloke you would avoid in a pub when he starts getting too pissed. And they can both probably be dead sound, too. Y'know, just like people are. People make mistakes. They do stupid stuff and say stupid stuff. Nowadays - though maybe it has always been about, it's just now everyone can voice an opinion (ourselves included) - there's this thing with fandoms (whether it's music, artists, football clubs, players, actors, or whatever) that they can do no wrong. Or that everything is black and white. We saw this with the whole ugly business on Twitter a few weeks back. Yes, I don't think what Noel did in publicising was a mature or responsible thing to do. But the main thing was Liam sending that stupid text. You then have people (only a few) twisting it all back around to the point where one comment was "he didn't threaten to kill her." It's really weird. I think they're both probably dead sound if they like you. If they don't like you, or you don't like them or whatever, they're probably not people you'd want to ever be around. But like you've said, they live in a completely different world and have done for 25 years. People seem to think Noel's changed but he hasn't. He's always been ruthless. He's grown up. Same goes for Liam. He's grown up. He's mellowed (mostly). But both still have that mad streak that made them what they were and still are. That desire and determination to keep on going and getting bigger and better. I do laugh when I see people claim Liam is some completely normal guy, just down to earth. They'll then use an example of an interview or a film about him to show how normal he is. I don't think having a documentary broadcasting how 'normal' you are is normal. And same goes for Noel. Though the difference with Noel is he hasn't been marketed by frankly a genius in Debbie. I mean, he didn't need it. He knew how to do it himself. Always has done. So he can come across as a dick but he doesn't care. Liam doesn't give a fuck either. But he's marketed in a way now that he can say dickish things and people will lap it up, because he's one of the true great rock stars left and by God does this world need them. Yeah its only since he met Debbie and all down to her. This assumption that people are just imagining things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:39:27 GMT -5
And they can both probably be dead sound, too. Y'know, just like people are. People make mistakes. They do stupid stuff and say stupid stuff. Nowadays - though maybe it has always been about, it's just now everyone can voice an opinion (ourselves included) - there's this thing with fandoms (whether it's music, artists, football clubs, players, actors, or whatever) that they can do no wrong. Or that everything is black and white. We saw this with the whole ugly business on Twitter a few weeks back. Yes, I don't think what Noel did in publicising was a mature or responsible thing to do. But the main thing was Liam sending that stupid text. You then have people (only a few) twisting it all back around to the point where one comment was "he didn't threaten to kill her." It's really weird. I think they're both probably dead sound if they like you. If they don't like you, or you don't like them or whatever, they're probably not people you'd want to ever be around. But like you've said, they live in a completely different world and have done for 25 years. People seem to think Noel's changed but he hasn't. He's always been ruthless. He's grown up. Same goes for Liam. He's grown up. He's mellowed (mostly). But both still have that mad streak that made them what they were and still are. That desire and determination to keep on going and getting bigger and better. I do laugh when I see people claim Liam is some completely normal guy, just down to earth. They'll then use an example of an interview or a film about him to show how normal he is. I don't think having a documentary broadcasting how 'normal' you are is normal. And same goes for Noel. Though the difference with Noel is he hasn't been marketed by frankly a genius in Debbie. I mean, he didn't need it. He knew how to do it himself. Always has done. So he can come across as a dick but he doesn't care. Liam doesn't give a fuck either. But he's marketed in a way now that he can say dickish things and people will lap it up, because he's one of the true great rock stars left and by God does this world need them. Yeah its only since he met Debbie and all down to her. This assumption that people are just imagining things. He’s marketed by Warner, and UROK, Roy and Sam Eldridge are his personal managers. He’s marketing Debbie by saying she’s marketing him, her and her sister’s little pr company is getting business out of it. It’s not rocket science. Of course she deserves some credit for motivating and supporting him, emails, personal diary and all that stuff but surely that’s standard behaviour in a relationship. thomaslivesforever you’re spot on.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 14, 2019 14:17:28 GMT -5
Liam may not have been affected by fame and changed him as much as Noel, but whether he is the same `good' lad is debatable. Whether Liam was ever a `good' lad is the real point here. By the things he comes out with on Twitter, throwing abuse at Noel's family, and the endless hell-raising stories during the Oasis years, I don't think Liam was ever a saint, and a thoroughly decent human being. You're right. He probably hasn't changed as much as Noel. Of course, hell-raising is what we wanted from our rock stars back then growing up. It doesn't sit that well anymore when a man reaches his late 40's, and becomes a responsible parent (from various different women). There seems to be a holier-than-thou attitude by certain Liam fans on here, that they just can't bring themselves to put him in a negative light, and instead try to and focus all their negative attitude towards Noel. Bottom line - they are probably both not very nice blokes if you spent time in their company. Noel has turned into a pretentious twat, and Liam is probably still Liam - slightly unhinged, unpredictable, aggressive - the kind of bloke you would avoid in a pub when he starts getting too pissed. And they can both probably be dead sound, too. Y'know, just like people are. People make mistakes. They do stupid stuff and say stupid stuff. Nowadays - though maybe it has always been about, it's just now everyone can voice an opinion (ourselves included) - there's this thing with fandoms (whether it's music, artists, football clubs, players, actors, or whatever) that they can do no wrong. Or that everything is black and white. We saw this with the whole ugly business on Twitter a few weeks back. Yes, I don't think what Noel did in publicising was a mature or responsible thing to do. But the main thing was Liam sending that stupid text. You then have people (only a few) twisting it all back around to the point where one comment was "he didn't threaten to kill her." It's really weird. I think they're both probably dead sound if they like you. If they don't like you, or you don't like them or whatever, they're probably not people you'd want to ever be around. But like you've said, they live in a completely different world and have done for 25 years. People seem to think Noel's changed but he hasn't. He's always been ruthless. He's grown up. Same goes for Liam. He's grown up. He's mellowed (mostly). But both still have that mad streak that made them what they were and still are. That desire and determination to keep on going and getting bigger and better. I do laugh when I see people claim Liam is some completely normal guy, just down to earth. They'll then use an example of an interview or a film about him to show how normal he is. I don't think having a documentary broadcasting how 'normal' you are is normal. And same goes for Noel. Though the difference with Noel is he hasn't been marketed by frankly a genius in Debbie. I mean, he didn't need it. He knew how to do it himself. Always has done. So he can come across as a dick but he doesn't care. Liam doesn't give a fuck either. But he's marketed in a way now that he can say dickish things and people will lap it up, because he's one of the true great rock stars left and by God does this world need them. I still like their music - Noel for taking his career into a different direction, and Liam for still giving us Oasis fans a blast from the past with his rock songs, but as human beings I am growing weary of the pair of them. I still take an interest in reading a funny Liam interview, or watching Noel's latest thing on YouTube, but as this pathetic Twitter spat turns more and more uglier by the week, I don't find it endearing for either brother. The whole thing has turned into some kind of warped social media family soap opera. I still haven't even watched Liam's new documentary yet. In the past I would have been watching these films immediately as they are released, yet now I don't clamour for this kind of material anymore, whether it is Liam or Noel's latest thing.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 14, 2019 14:25:49 GMT -5
I still haven't even watched Liam's new documentary yet. Dont bother its not really interesting. Let me make you a quick summary of it : « Liam is a good guy ». That’s pretty much it. No spoilers.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 14, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -5
I still haven't even watched Liam's new documentary yet. Dont bother its not really interesting. Let me make you a quick summary of it : « Liam is a good guy ». That’s pretty much it. No spoilers.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 14, 2019 15:00:51 GMT -5
And they can both probably be dead sound, too. Y'know, just like people are. People make mistakes. They do stupid stuff and say stupid stuff. Nowadays - though maybe it has always been about, it's just now everyone can voice an opinion (ourselves included) - there's this thing with fandoms (whether it's music, artists, football clubs, players, actors, or whatever) that they can do no wrong. Or that everything is black and white. We saw this with the whole ugly business on Twitter a few weeks back. Yes, I don't think what Noel did in publicising was a mature or responsible thing to do. But the main thing was Liam sending that stupid text. You then have people (only a few) twisting it all back around to the point where one comment was "he didn't threaten to kill her." It's really weird. I think they're both probably dead sound if they like you. If they don't like you, or you don't like them or whatever, they're probably not people you'd want to ever be around. But like you've said, they live in a completely different world and have done for 25 years. People seem to think Noel's changed but he hasn't. He's always been ruthless. He's grown up. Same goes for Liam. He's grown up. He's mellowed (mostly). But both still have that mad streak that made them what they were and still are. That desire and determination to keep on going and getting bigger and better. I do laugh when I see people claim Liam is some completely normal guy, just down to earth. They'll then use an example of an interview or a film about him to show how normal he is. I don't think having a documentary broadcasting how 'normal' you are is normal. And same goes for Noel. Though the difference with Noel is he hasn't been marketed by frankly a genius in Debbie. I mean, he didn't need it. He knew how to do it himself. Always has done. So he can come across as a dick but he doesn't care. Liam doesn't give a fuck either. But he's marketed in a way now that he can say dickish things and people will lap it up, because he's one of the true great rock stars left and by God does this world need them. Yeah its only since he met Debbie and all down to her. This assumption that people are just imagining things. Not at all. I didn't say it was all down to her. Liam's a cool fucker and we need him in our lives. The fact is he has been marketed brilliantly by Debbie. Of course it's not all down to her. But that side is, at least in the main. I'd trust the people around her/Liam to know what to do over some random sap at Warner. The songs, the connection with the fans (mostly - built on earned good will from how he's gone about his business since the comeback) is down to Liam.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 14, 2019 15:05:40 GMT -5
Anyway, my main point was I'm sure both of them can be dicks and I'm equally sure both of them can be sound. Just like anyone else. Difference is they have lived in the Oasis bubble for 25 years now and are both very very rich. So I find it funny when people claim Liam is down to earth and Noel has lost it. They're both on a completely different wavelength to the vast majority of us.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 14, 2019 19:30:18 GMT -5
Anyway, my main point was I'm sure both of them can be dicks and I'm equally sure both of them can be sound. Just like anyone else. Difference is they have lived in the Oasis bubble for 25 years now and are both very very rich. So I find it funny when people claim Liam is down to earth and Noel has lost it. They're both on a completely different wavelength to the vast majority of us. You're doing God's work.... Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 20:03:08 GMT -5
Yeah its only since he met Debbie and all down to her. This assumption that people are just imagining things. Not at all. I didn't say it was all down to her. Liam's a cool fucker and we need him in our lives. The fact is he has been marketed brilliantly by Debbie. Of course it's not all down to her. But that side is, at least in the main. I'd trust the people around her/Liam to know what to do over some random sap at Warner... I think you’re forgetting who was behind the car crash that was his pr and marketing in Beady Eye. His success is mostly down to Warner and UROK and of course Liam himself.
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 14, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5
yes, agreed. change is normal. i'm not saying noel should be behaving like he's 25 with a bottle of jack and snorting rails. i'm saying change as in fundamentally as a person.Did you know him 20 years ago? Do you know him now? No. So how you can say he's 'fundamentally changed as a person' is baffling. Yea I know him. He’s my best friend. He’s a dick now. Fundamentally.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 15, 2019 2:57:59 GMT -5
Anyway, my main point was I'm sure both of them can be dicks and I'm equally sure both of them can be sound. Just like anyone else. Difference is they have lived in the Oasis bubble for 25 years now and are both very very rich. So I find it funny when people claim Liam is down to earth and Noel has lost it. They're both on a completely different wavelength to the vast majority of us. Liam is only down to earth when his private jet has landed, really.
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Post by bt95 on Aug 15, 2019 4:37:02 GMT -5
Not at all. I didn't say it was all down to her. Liam's a cool fucker and we need him in our lives. The fact is he has been marketed brilliantly by Debbie. Of course it's not all down to her. But that side is, at least in the main. I'd trust the people around her/Liam to know what to do over some random sap at Warner... I think you’re forgetting who was behind the car crash that was his pr and marketing in Beady Eye. His success is mostly down to Warner and UROK and of course Liam himself. Fair enough. I'm not saying it's all down to her. But in terms of nudging Liam to do one thing or the other, or being there as someone who Liam trusts (which I imagine - I don't know) isn't many people, especially in the corporate world, is good. Warner and his management have also played it very well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 4:56:59 GMT -5
I think you’re forgetting who was behind the car crash that was his pr and marketing in Beady Eye. His success is mostly down to Warner and UROK and of course Liam himself. Fair enough. I'm not saying it's all down to her. But in terms of nudging Liam to do one thing or the other, or being there as someone who Liam trusts (which I imagine - I don't know) isn't many people, especially in the corporate world, is good. Warner and his management have also played it very well. Yeah I agree, having someone to trust and bounce off is very important, for everyone.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 15, 2019 5:15:59 GMT -5
Not at all. I didn't say it was all down to her. Liam's a cool fucker and we need him in our lives. The fact is he has been marketed brilliantly by Debbie. Of course it's not all down to her. But that side is, at least in the main. I'd trust the people around her/Liam to know what to do over some random sap at Warner... I think you’re forgetting who was behind the car crash that was his pr and marketing in Beady Eye. His success is mostly down to Warner and UROK and of course Liam himself. tbf I would say most of the pr disaster for Beady Eye was during the first album cycle. If I'm not mistaken Debbie came along when they signed for quest before the second album. The band were already falling apart by then. Liams affair and Gems accident put an end to an already sinking ship. Doubt there was anything Debbie could have done to save them at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 5:29:13 GMT -5
I think you’re forgetting who was behind the car crash that was his pr and marketing in Beady Eye. His success is mostly down to Warner and UROK and of course Liam himself. tbf I would say most of the pr disaster for Beady Eye was during the first album cycle. If I'm not mistaken Debbie came along when they signed for quest before the second album. The band were already falling apart by then. Liams affair and Gems accident put an end to an already sinking ship. Doubt there was anything Debbie could have done to save them at that point. Yeah true. But he was still that man when UROK and Warner signed him, maybe even lower. Amazing job by all involved.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 15, 2019 5:32:16 GMT -5
tbf I would say most of the pr disaster for Beady Eye was during the first album cycle. If I'm not mistaken Debbie came along when they signed for quest before the second album. The band were already falling apart by then. Liams affair and Gems accident put an end to an already sinking ship. Doubt there was anything Debbie could have done to save them at that point. Yeah true. But he was still that man when UROK and Warner signed him, maybe even lower. Amazing job by all involved. absolutely 👍
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Post by Snail Mail on Aug 16, 2019 3:54:11 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that so many people are offended by what Noel has said recently. I'm sure he had no intention to insult Oasis fans in general but the Oasis fans and Liam fanboys who insulted him by devaluating his efforts to make the music he wants to make, who disrespected his integrity, who can't seem to understand that people change over the years and that no one in their right mind should be writing the same music they were writing 20 years ago. If you don't like Noel as a person or his music, don't read his interviews or listen to his music. Simples.
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Post by LlAM on Aug 20, 2019 15:35:00 GMT -5
All I got from that interview, is Noel thinks Liams Oasis covers sound thin. I couldn't agree more. Beady Eye had the same problem.
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