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Post by fartpanic on Aug 5, 2019 18:56:25 GMT -5
Its a good thing for fans that Liam is doing well. Not for Noel. Even if they were on the same level of success, Noel still wouldnt be happy with it. He wants to be the number one by far. The situation after Beady Eye ended was perfect for him and he kept some "dignified silence". Dont tell me he wanst getting asked about Liam as much. He was just alot less threatened. Theres one thing more embarrassing than wearing a questionable coat at Glastonbury - and thats playing at some no mark festival at the same time. Spot on. So long as Liam remained the hit-less "man with a fork", Noel could afford to act magnanimous, and even pay lip service to the idea of a reunion "if either of us were skint". But Liam's at the very least matched his solo success, and is having the better 2019 so far, so now it's a lot harder to let Liam's insults slide. I guess I should be glad they're both feeling competitive, if nothing else. Competitiveness i dont mind - the stuff recently is just so unpleasant for us as fans.
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Post by pliolite on Aug 5, 2019 18:56:42 GMT -5
I just wish Anais and the other kids hadn't got involved with it all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:14:08 GMT -5
People are causing This is the Place beige while enjoying Once. It's interesting to see how much the respective popularity of the brothers affects the perception of their music. Maybe because This Is The Place ain't really that good. It has a good groove, but goes nowhere, and is quite repetitive after a few listens. Mind you, my rating of Once has dropped a bit since it first came out, but i see myself going out of my usual rotation on Spotify to listen to it from time to time, but i just don't see that happening with TITP. Actually of Noel's recent out-put, the only ones i still listen to often are It's a Beautiful World and Rattling Rose, which i do rate quite highly. It's not necessarily the respective popularity of the brothers, but the perceived quality (or lack of) by the audience of the song as well which changes from people to people (specially when we are not talking about songs that are unanimous as being legendary), as it does between me and you in this case, for example.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 5, 2019 21:06:14 GMT -5
"He’s pulled off the incredible magic trick of making those Oasis songs sound weedy and thin." The truth is that, when it comes to live shows, most instrumentalists and background singers - like Noel - can easily be replaced and for most people it doesn't make much of a difference who's handling which instrument.
And that's why a Liam solo show is much more enjoyable for most Oasis fans than a gig from the former lead guitarist whose voice is clearly unable to cope with most of the output from his former band and whose guitar playing duty can easily be fulfilled by any other guy out there. Noel should realise that he's not the Jimi Hendrix of the 90s and that no one misses the sound of his guitar on an LG gig.
Well except for the many threads in the forum about how shit Liam's band sound. Noel is only saying what a lot of Liam's own fans do. It's interesting he immediately noticed the exact same thing. Liam needs to change that band. Noel isn't a great guitarist, he's said so himself about 5 million times, do you need one more? He's probably the best example on earth that technical ability isn't any use if you don't have the ear. It's actually quite a good message and it's something oasis fans used to celebrate. Now it's another stick to beat Noel with.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 5, 2019 21:13:46 GMT -5
We’ve all sat here on nights when Noel’s missus was baiting Liam on social media, only to later delete her posts.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 5, 2019 21:29:35 GMT -5
Funny how someone who calls someone a 'scratter from Burnage' should then expect the person to be grateful because they've paid for a product. Really fucking weird world we live in now. If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason He didn't call all his 'customers' parka monkeys for gawds sake. I went to plenty of Oasis gigs and I know exactly who he's talking about. If you think Noel was talking about you, then you're probably a bit of a tway tk be honest. Also, why does everyone take everything Noel says so seriously now. Lighten up folks. Noel literally explains the game to you all in this interview and you still all fall for it and get all outraged. Job done. Maybe you are all so unsophisticated eh? I love that people in the same breath can accuse Noel of deliberately pissing off all his fans and losing them, and then saying he is desperate to be bigger than Liam. Only one of those can be true. If Noel was so worried would he keep winding up the parks monkeys?
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Post by rickypaglais on Aug 5, 2019 23:36:52 GMT -5
If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason He didn't call all his 'customers' parka monkeys for gawds sake. I went to plenty of Oasis gigs and I know exactly who he's talking about. If you think Noel was talking about you, then you're probably a bit of a tway tk be honest. What a nice guy And if they're at the gig, they're paying for a service. They're customers
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 0:14:24 GMT -5
there was 11 pages in response to this guardian article. his tour with the pumpkins kicks off this thurs. night is there even a hype post or even an up to date post about this new tour? i'm actually more excited to see the pumpkins. if you asked me even back in 2011 if that was possible i would have said no. this is where we are now. his comments about oasis, oasis fans, and general overall bitterness have really soured things. i havent even streamed the new single on youtube yet. unthinkable even a few years ago. **pause** just listened to it. sounds like cosmic slop. who the fuck is managing him? i saw that new david crosby doc the other day- remember my name (great by the way). if noel's not careful that'll be him in time just without 3 solid bands and the tunes. it was sad to see david crosby like that but you cant help think he brought a lot of it on himself. literally none of his former bandmates talk to him.
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Post by space75gr on Aug 6, 2019 0:30:12 GMT -5
He can't stand Liam's voice...oh well...really? THAT voice could make Noel's shit-pseudoeclectic tunes at least to sound like proper tunes
N all these insults to oasis fans... Now imagine how your life could be, to be not only an oasis unsophisticated fan but an unsophisticated oasis fan from a third world country... Poor Scottish people...
At least as a s...writer he s doin better lately finding new depths of... hate n jealously in his... Well.. interviews...
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Post by darmin on Aug 6, 2019 0:33:13 GMT -5
Now he casually slags off his teenage nephews. I guess it's bad only if it's his children What's he said? There was no 'slagging off' of Lennon or Gene in the Guardian piece. He claimed - maybe incorrectly in regards Lennon as we have no evidence of that - that Gene and Lennon had a row with Anais. Now we know Anais, who i'm not saying is innocent in that particular thing, definitely did have a bit of a tiff with Gene. We don't know what else, if anything, has been said. But that's not 'slagging off', is it. Unless he's now said something else? He didn't say they had a row with Anais, he all but called them bullies in a national newspaper. Thats from the person who sayst that it's very wrong to involve family members in their spat, especially their kids. He shouldn't have mentioned them at all
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 6, 2019 0:49:01 GMT -5
What's he said? There was no 'slagging off' of Lennon or Gene in the Guardian piece. He claimed - maybe incorrectly in regards Lennon as we have no evidence of that - that Gene and Lennon had a row with Anais. Now we know Anais, who i'm not saying is innocent in that particular thing, definitely did have a bit of a tiff with Gene. We don't know what else, if anything, has been said. But that's not 'slagging off', is it. Unless he's now said something else? He didn't say they had a row with Anais, he all but called them bullies in a national newspaper. Thats from the person who sayst that it's very wrong to involve family members in their spat, especially their kids. He shouldn't have mentioned them at all liam's two sons have seen noel put their dad through the ringer. if you ask me theyre good kids. sticking up for their dad.
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Post by leron on Aug 6, 2019 0:54:27 GMT -5
Beady Eye experiment on BE. Noel: They just need a hit. Liam has hits. Noel: It’s not experimental enough. Beady Eye were experimental? As "experimental" as noel recent work but less sophisticated xx
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Post by mancraider on Aug 6, 2019 1:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by MONO on Aug 6, 2019 1:05:37 GMT -5
no offense but the new RIDE album bests both Noel's and Liam's output combined over the past few years imo. say what you will about Andy Bell etc. It already leaked?
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Post by mossy on Aug 6, 2019 2:04:45 GMT -5
there was 11 pages in response to this guardian article. his tour with the pumpkins kicks off this thurs. night is there even a hype post or even an up to date post about this new tour?i'm actually more excited to see the pumpkins. if you asked me even back in 2011 if that was possible i would have said no. this is where we are now. his comments about oasis, oasis fans, and general overall bitterness have really soured things. i havent even streamed the new single on youtube yet. unthinkable even a few years ago. **pause** just listened to it. sounds like cosmic slop. who the fuck is managing him? i saw that new david crosby doc the other day- remember my name (great by the way). if noel's not careful that'll be him in time just without 3 solid bands and the tunes. it was sad to see david crosby like that but you cant help think he brought a lot of it on himself. literally none of his former bandmates talk to him. Here you go: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/90515/noel-tour-smashing-pumpkinsX
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Post by andymorris on Aug 6, 2019 2:15:00 GMT -5
People are causing This is the Place beige while enjoying Once. It's interesting to see how much the respective popularity of the brothers affects the perception of their music. It's exactly that. Put out Beady Eye records today and they would be hailed as the new Beatles on here. Perception, timing and social influence is everything. Once is a wistful, mature look at his past. Tell me more about Andrew Wyatt's past ? I'd like to know. Just like For What's it's Worth was an "honest" apology written by some random guy His ex-wife (sorry, wives) and abandonned children must be so happy with that song that comes from the heart of a complete stranger.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 6, 2019 2:53:12 GMT -5
People are causing This is the Place beige while enjoying Once. It's interesting to see how much the respective popularity of the brothers affects the perception of their music. It's exactly that. Put out Beady Eye records today and they would be hailed as the new Beatles on here. Perception, timing and social influence is everything. Once is a wistful, mature look at his past. Tell me more about Andrew Wyatt's past ? I'd like to know. Just like For What's it's Worth was an "honest" apology written by some random guy His ex-wife (sorry, wives) and abandonned children must be so happy with that song that comes from the heart of a complete stranger. Angry this morning Andy? You’re first point is nonsense, as it was when made by the escapist. It’s much easier to identify those lyrics with Noel and even if those words have nothing to do with Liam it’s hardly filled with rage.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 6, 2019 3:02:12 GMT -5
If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason He didn't call all his 'customers' parka monkeys for gawds sake. I went to plenty of Oasis gigs and I know exactly who he's talking about. If you think Noel was talking about you, then you're probably a bit of a tway tk be honest. Also, why does everyone take everything Noel says so seriously now. Lighten up folks. Noel literally explains the game to you all in this interview and you still all fall for it and get all outraged. Job done. Maybe you are all so unsophisticated eh? I love that people in the same breath can accuse Noel of deliberately pissing off all his fans and losing them, and then saying he is desperate to be bigger than Liam. Only one of those can be true. If Noel was so worried would he keep winding up the parks monkeys? I really feel for you if you think Noels achieving anything from these interviews. Hes gone from a very popular figure amongst his fans and even the wider public - to being hated by both.
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Post by martinpaul on Aug 6, 2019 3:04:29 GMT -5
I think its more that Noel is forcing this perception that these new songs are groundbreaking and so progressive. Then people listen to them and take them for exactly what they are. Even with interviews like this - hes further forcing the narrative hes been pushing for the last couple of years that anyone who doesnt get what hes doing is a knuckle dragging parka monkey. Bingo. The kids these days call it gaslighting. He writes a narrative and tries to convince people to accept it as reality. Which is 100% how he operated in Oasis when Liam didn't give a shit or they were too big for him to be bothered with correcting any of the bullshit. Liam on social media has changed everything
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 6, 2019 3:05:14 GMT -5
Why didnt noel go and support Liam when the divorce happened?
Noel in this interview says he wasnt there for his wife. So fucking what. If my brother messed up and was in that bad a way then id help him.
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 6, 2019 3:12:16 GMT -5
If I called all my customers parka monkeys, unsophisticated and other jibes, I would expect shit back. You seem to think Noel is untouchable for some reason He didn't call all his 'customers' parka monkeys for gawds sake. I went to plenty of Oasis gigs and I know exactly who he's talking about. If you think Noel was talking about you, then you're probably a bit of a tway tk be honest. Also, why does everyone take everything Noel says so seriously now. Lighten up folks. Noel literally explains the game to you all in this interview and you still all fall for it and get all outraged. Job done. Maybe you are all so unsophisticated eh? I love that people in the same breath can accuse Noel of deliberately pissing off all his fans and losing them, and then saying he is desperate to be bigger than Liam. Only one of those can be true. If Noel was so worried would he keep winding up the parks monkeys? I think the original parka monkeys jibe was when Noel was a bit shocked about how badly Holy Mountain was received and pre-dates the worsening of the feud between him and Liam. Since then he's started to conflate the two together and kind of blaming the fanbase as well for the feud turning personal when really all we want is decent tunes from both of them. Personally I've not liked Noel's stuff and to be told it's because I'm unsophisticated pisses me off, but it's a reason he can use to explain why he is currently less successful than Liam rather than it being the music.
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Post by vespa on Aug 6, 2019 3:38:55 GMT -5
Noel’s fanbase is the same as Liam’s , people who bought oasis records buy Noel’s , so he’s technically digging them out but a lot is tongue in cheek with him as he explains in that interview but he’s getting abit daft slating the fans..it’s almost like it allows him to accept that’s why sales have lowered so he has an excuse , I don’t know but it’s all getting abit daft now ..Liam needs to stop with his shit but don’t be fooled the hype train is in full swing again
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Post by MONO on Aug 6, 2019 3:50:35 GMT -5
Well except for the many threads in the forum about how shit Liam's band sound. Noel is only saying what a lot of Liam's own fans do. It's interesting he immediately noticed the exact same thing. Liam needs to change that band. It's always the same 4 or 5 users here slagging them. Can't take them seriously. The huge crowds going mad at his gigs debunk this opinion anyway...
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Post by Rolo on Aug 6, 2019 4:00:33 GMT -5
People are causing This is the Place beige while enjoying Once. It's interesting to see how much the respective popularity of the brothers affects the perception of their music. It's exactly that. Put out Beady Eye records today and they would be hailed as the new Beatles on here. Perception, timing and social influence is everything. Once is a wistful, mature look at his past. Tell me more about Andrew Wyatt's past ? I'd like to know. Just like For What's it's Worth was an "honest" apology written by some random guy His ex-wife (sorry, wives) and abandonned children must be so happy with that song that comes from the heart of a complete stranger. For someone who claims they "love" Liam, you don't half have a funny way of showing it.
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Post by carlober on Aug 6, 2019 4:14:54 GMT -5
People are causing This is the Place beige while enjoying Once. It's interesting to see how much the respective popularity of the brothers affects the perception of their music. It's exactly that. Put out Beady Eye records today and they would be hailed as the new Beatles on here. Perception, timing and social influence is everything. Once is a wistful, mature look at his past. Tell me more about Andrew Wyatt's past ? I'd like to know. Just like For What's it's Worth was an "honest" apology written by some random guy His ex-wife (sorry, wives) and abandonned children must be so happy with that song that comes from the heart of a complete stranger. No offense... but can you write a post without mentioning Andrew Wyatt or Liam's co-written songs? It's becoming a broken record... in every thread!
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