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Post by mancraider on Jul 14, 2019 15:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 14, 2019 15:50:52 GMT -5
Capaldi owning Noel once again.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 14, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -5
My point has only ever been that Noel is being no more nasty than he or Liam have both been in the past. The old quotes are my evidence of that. I don’t understand why people are getting upset now given their history. We all know they’re not really being serious and have a pretty caustic sense of humour. I think as you get older Rolo you’re just becoming more of a snowflake (joke ;-) X Yep. I don't think those comments are any more nasty than the above quotes. People chuckled at them before. Maybe because Noel was slightly younger or we were slightly younger when he made those comments, or maybe because of the shield of Oasis at the time, but those quotes are pretty on par for Noel (and Liam for that matter). I also think that just like during Beady Eye when Liam could do nothing right, Noel is going through the same thing atm where most of his quotes are being way too overanalyzed and every word is a sign of how "he's changed" when he hasn't changed that much at all. Noel is so far up his own arse he's about to reemerge at the other end. But he's been like that for 20+ years.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 14, 2019 16:06:19 GMT -5
OaI get what you're saying and I agree those comments came across as nasty. But we have no need to worry that LC is taking any of it to heart.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 14, 2019 16:12:17 GMT -5
Posting a lot of quotes is nice enough but means little with no context when you consider when they were said, how they were said and why they were aimed at said person.
The idea that either of them say everying tongue in cheek is absurd and its an utter nonsense to suggest that Oasis fans who have been following the brothers for years can't spot a general change in the demeanour in one or the other.
I haven't seen every Noel interview over the last 18 months but from what I have seen he is more terse and abrupt. If his tongue is in his cheek its difficult to tell but lets stop this idea that people are just imagining it.
And just because people point something out doesn't mean they are upset or offended.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 14, 2019 17:14:06 GMT -5
Posting a lot of quotes is nice enough but means little with no context when you consider when they were said, how they were said and why they were aimed at said person. The idea that either of them say everying tongue in cheek is absurd and its an utter nonsense to suggest that Oasis fans who have been following the brothers for years can't spot a general change in the demeanour in one or the other. I haven't seen every Noel interview over the last 18 months but from what I have seen he is more terse and abrupt. If his tongue is in his cheek its difficult to tell but lets stop this idea that people are just imagining it. And just because people point something out doesn't mean they are upset or offended. They've both said massively dickish things in the past and will both do so again. Because frankly, they're both dick heads. They have both also crossed the line in the past. Noel with his aids comment, and Liam with his 'q' comments at the Q awards. Both downright nasty things to say, even at the times (eras) they were said. Noel hasn't changed that much. He's always been a dick and said dickish things. He was saying 'chart music is fucking shit' five years ago. Still saying the same thing now. This latest isn't like that. It just seems Noel got unnecessarily personal (the 'girth' comment) and agree that was a nastyish comment. Is it any nastier than a fair bit of stuff he's said previously? No, definitely not (and that's not counting the one I reference above which is just a horrid thing to say). I don't think Capaldi gives a fuck. In fact, he's doing very fucking well with it and knows exactly how to play it. People getting wound up about his comments about Scotland are just doing the classic overreaction thing. He's slagged off everywhere before to varying degrees.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 14, 2019 17:34:22 GMT -5
For me, I think the difference between his past comments and the Capaldi stuff is that they were generally aimed at people his own age. Capaldi is 30 years younger than him and what, 3 years older than Anais? It's a bit hypocritical to criticise Liam for involving his 'teenage daughter' whilst repeatedly calling somebody her age fat and ugly.
I'd never really heard of Lewis Capaldi before the Noel stuff and still haven't heard his songs, but he comes across well and is absolutely taking Noel to the cleaners here. Noel really needs to take a step back because he's embarrassing himself here.
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Post by fartpanic on Jul 14, 2019 18:05:46 GMT -5
The best thing Noel could have done is to keep it light hearted.
I dont know anyone who finds what hes said about the lads weight and looks funny.
It just comes across as incredibly mean. I mean Noel wasnt exactly looking great at Capaldi's age either. Maybe it stems from his own insecurities (as insults about people often do).
I dont know, Noel seems very bitter about the world atm. I miss the funny, sharp witted Noel in 2005. Always knew how to say the right thing, and the insults were always a good read. Now its like hearing your racist old uncle ranting at a wedding or something.
Sort it out Noely G.
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Post by fartpanic on Jul 14, 2019 18:13:33 GMT -5
Serious question, why do you find his comments about Capaldi particularly nasty? To me his comments seem no different to those both Gallagher’s s have been saying about other musicians for several decades now... Liam on Ozzy Osbourne: “How come everyone thinks he’s great? He’s a bit of a fucking mong if you ask me.” Noel: “I feel sorry for Keane. No matter how hard they try they’ll always be squares. Even if one of them started injecting heroin into onto his cock people would go ‘Yeah but your dad was a vicar, good night’.” Liam on Florence Welch: "She sounds like someone's stood on her fucking foot." Liam on Florence Welch: "I'm not having someone with ginger hair making music. I'm not going down that road." Liam on Florence Welch: “Man hands.” Noel: “If Thom Yorke fucking shit into a light bulb and started blowing it like an empty beer bottle it’d probably get 9 out of 10 in fucking Mojo.” Liam: “I’d like to fucking hang Robbie Williams onstage. What’s he done to me this time? Nothing. He’s just somebody I’d like to hang.” Noel on Justin Bieber: "My cat sounds more rock ’n’ roll that that." Liam: “Muse fucking scare me. They’re like fucking creepy shit.” Noel: "I would rather drink petrol straight from the nozzle at a garage than listen to an interview with Alex Turner.” Liam on The Scissor Sisters: "Bright colours and fucking weirdos on stilts? I'm more entertaining than that shit." Noel on Jack White: "He looks like Zorro on doughnuts.” Liam: "I've mellowed, but not in the sense of liking Radiohead or Coldplay." Noel: “I fucking despise hip hop. Loathe it. Eminem is a fucking idiot and I find 50 Cent the most distasteful character I have ever crossed in my life.” Liam on Billie Joe Armstrong: "Fuck right off. I’m not having him. I just don’t like his head." Noel: "I did drugs for 18 years and I never got that bad as to say, 'You know what? I think the Kaiser Chiefs are brilliant.'” Liam: “You see pictures of Bono running around LA with his little white legs and a bottle of Volvic and he looks like a fanny." Liam: "Chris Martin looks like a geography teacher. Noel: "I don’t care what the Internet says. 99.9999% of the people on the Internet are dumbasses anyway." X No, no, she tweeted, “I want to be Lewis Capaldi when I grow up.”When she grows up? Well, she better be better looking than that c—! Let’s hope she doesn’t have his looks. Or his girth. ----------------------- I'm sorry but that's just nasty to me, the other quotes you mention are all pretty tongue in cheek for the most part. Calling a 22 year old lad fat and ugly for no reason whatsoever is proper shit and personal. What has he done to deserve them comments? Absolutely right. Literally all of those quotes are tounge in cheek and nothing like as offensive. I find extreme irony in the fact the same posters defending Noel on this by saying it isnt any different to other quotes, are the exact same ones who said it isnt okay to defend Liam by comparing his actions to the past. Hypocrites
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 14, 2019 18:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by dampcottage on Jul 14, 2019 19:05:29 GMT -5
Is it a competition? What's 1st prize, and can anyone enter, cause I guarantee i can say things way way more "offensive" than this shite First prize is a private dinner with Beady’s Here Now , you really don't want to enter the competition. I fear no man😃 I'll tear him a new one😍
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Post by Bright Star on Jul 14, 2019 20:28:34 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is offended by what Noel has said (other than Capaldi maybe), all I'm saying is I don't think there was any need for it, just as there was no need for a lot of things the Gallagher's have said/done over the years. I don't see how that is hard for some of you to understand. Doubt Capaldi is offended, he was watching Noel's concert in Spain with Anaïs. They are probably all mates and it all, or become all, a game that they are milking it for publicity. And getting it. They have all been on the news with the whole thing and Capaldi seems fine and amused. Lewis also sang Don't Look Back in Anger changing band to dad. "But please don't put your life in the hands Of a Rock n Roll dad Who'll throw it all away" It was not necessary, but what a ton of headlines and social medial post they got out of it. Noel meet someone who can play the game as well or better than him. The problem with some of the things Noel says, even if they are the same he used to say is that he is now 52. The Capaldi one was probably the one that turned into something funny, mostly due to Capaldi. Both Liam and Noel have said a good amount of horrible things, including about each other (more Noel about Liam I venture) over the years. Now, Noel is being quite horrid to Liam, he may be upsett with some of Liam's actions, but Liam decided to go funny eating soup with a fork.
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Post by oasisunited on Jul 15, 2019 9:01:36 GMT -5
People getting wound up about his comments about Scotland are just doing the classic overreaction thing. He's slagged off everywhere before to varying degrees. I don't remember anyone coming to Hull's defense when Noel labeled it a "s***hole". As that clip shows, he clearly does it as part of his stand-up comedy routine.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jul 15, 2019 9:14:58 GMT -5
People getting wound up about his comments about Scotland are just doing the classic overreaction thing. He's slagged off everywhere before to varying degrees. I don't remember anyone coming to Hull's defense when Noel labeled it a "s***hole". As that clip shows, he clearly does it as part of his stand-up comedy routine. Liam did! "Just reading about this offer to open new venue in HULL send me the dates and if I'm around I'd love to I love HULL as you were LG x" The fact is Hull is a working class northern city (it's exactly pretty nice if you visit!), the kind of place Noel came from... the place where hard working people buy his records! He shouldn't slag off such places.... it's not funny/classy.... hearing a multi millionaire slag of such places....
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Post by oasisunited on Jul 15, 2019 9:27:57 GMT -5
The fact is Hull is a working class northern city (it's exactly pretty nice if you visit!), the kind of place Noel came from... the place where hard working people buy his records! He shouldn't slag off such places.... it's not funny/classy.... hearing a multi millionaire slag of such places.... This feels like a classic cultural misunderstanding, though I suppose it could also just be over-sensitivity. I didn't grow up in Northern England, but where I did grow up (New England in the US) has a very similar, self-deprecating sense of humor combined with a very territorial/parochial attitude towards neighboring areas. It certainly comes across in our humor. We attack the other states in New England and New York every chance that we get. To those who did not grow up here, it can seem mean and unsolicited. However, it is just part of how we express our humor and view our place in the world. After listening to Noel and Liam do interviews for 25 years, it seems to me that there is a similar cultural influence in their humor or attempts at humor. To suggest that because he is successful that he can't express his humor is ridiculous. If people who buy his records don't like it, then stop buying his records. The thing that made Oasis great from the beginning is that they didn't care about any of that/playing the game. They were certainly not Chris Martin saying that everyone and everything is wonderful when you clearly know that he doesn't believe that. I'd much rather have the Noel/Liam that don't care if what they say will offend someone (and therefore be more honest) than the fake opinions you get from most famous musicians.
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Post by dampcottage on Jul 15, 2019 9:45:37 GMT -5
The fact is Hull is a working class northern city (it's exactly pretty nice if you visit!), the kind of place Noel came from... the place where hard working people buy his records! He shouldn't slag off such places.... it's not funny/classy.... hearing a multi millionaire slag of such places.... This feels like a classic cultural misunderstanding, though I suppose it could also just be over-sensitivity. I didn't grow up in Northern England, but where I did grow up (New England in the US) has a very similar, self-deprecating sense of humor combined with a very territorial/parochial attitude towards neighboring areas. It certainly comes across in our humor. We attack the other states in New England and New York every chance that we get. To those who did not grow up here, it can seem mean and unsolicited. However, it is just part of how we express our humor and view our place in the world. After listening to Noel and Liam do interviews for 25 years, it seems to me that there is a similar cultural influence in their humor or attempts at humor. To suggest that because he is successful that he can't express his humor is ridiculous. If people who buy his records don't like it, then stop buying his records. The thing that made Oasis great from the beginning is that they didn't care about any of that/playing the game. They were certainly not Chris Martin saying that everyone and everything is wonderful when you clearly know that he doesn't believe that. I'd much rather have the Noel/Liam that don't care if what they say will offend someone (and therefore be more honest) than the fake opinions you get from most famous musicians. well said regarding possible cultural misunderstandings, I was going to post something similar, but now I'm thinking if a fucking American gets it😆why can't everyone?
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Post by bt95 on Jul 15, 2019 12:54:49 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone coming to Hull's defense when Noel labeled it a "s***hole". As that clip shows, he clearly does it as part of his stand-up comedy routine. Liam did! "Just reading about this offer to open new venue in HULL send me the dates and if I'm around I'd love to I love HULL as you were LG x" The fact is Hull is a working class northern city (it's exactly pretty nice if you visit!), the kind of place Noel came from... the place where hard working people buy his records! He shouldn't slag off such places.... it's not funny/classy.... hearing a multi millionaire slag of such places.... FFS He's done it his entire career. In the Dingwalls gig in 2012 someone shouted they're from Wakefield (my town). Noel said 'fuck me, that's a shit hole isn't it?'. Part of being working class and especially northern is the ability to poke fun of where you're from, where you're at and still have pride. It's nothing personal and isn't serious. He played Hull in May!
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Post by bt95 on Jul 15, 2019 12:57:48 GMT -5
This feels like a classic cultural misunderstanding, though I suppose it could also just be over-sensitivity. I didn't grow up in Northern England, but where I did grow up (New England in the US) has a very similar, self-deprecating sense of humor combined with a very territorial/parochial attitude towards neighboring areas. It certainly comes across in our humor. We attack the other states in New England and New York every chance that we get. To those who did not grow up here, it can seem mean and unsolicited. However, it is just part of how we express our humor and view our place in the world. After listening to Noel and Liam do interviews for 25 years, it seems to me that there is a similar cultural influence in their humor or attempts at humor. To suggest that because he is successful that he can't express his humor is ridiculous. If people who buy his records don't like it, then stop buying his records. The thing that made Oasis great from the beginning is that they didn't care about any of that/playing the game. They were certainly not Chris Martin saying that everyone and everything is wonderful when you clearly know that he doesn't believe that. I'd much rather have the Noel/Liam that don't care if what they say will offend someone (and therefore be more honest) than the fake opinions you get from most famous musicians. well said regarding possible cultural misunderstandings, I was going to post something similar, but now I'm thinking if a fucking American gets it😆why can't everyone? Because of who said it and points scoring? That's all I can think of. I'm an Everton fan. You go to see a game against City/United and the 'Manchester is full of shit' and then the anti-scousers songs are out in full. I can't stand Leeds fans because they're my local team and I don't support them. If you don't support a local team, you're gonna hate em if all your mates are glory hunters from the early 2000s And then you just have the classic rivalry between Lancashire and Yorkshire when it comes to cricket/rugby/football etc and to be honest just every day life. It's nothing personal. It's not hatred or meant as a serious thing. Think of all the times Noel's slagged off Geordies, for example. It's just our way of doing things. I find it hard to believe anyone who has grown up in the north/midlands couldn't have a concept of that.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 15, 2019 13:50:08 GMT -5
No, no, she tweeted, “I want to be Lewis Capaldi when I grow up.”When she grows up? Well, she better be better looking than that c—! Let’s hope she doesn’t have his looks. Or his girth. ----------------------- I'm sorry but that's just nasty to me, the other quotes you mention are all pretty tongue in cheek for the most part. Calling a 22 year old lad fat and ugly for no reason whatsoever is proper shit and personal. What has he done to deserve them comments? Absolutely right. Literally all of those quotes are tounge in cheek and nothing like as offensive. I find extreme irony in the fact the same posters defending Noel on this by saying it isnt any different to other quotes, are the exact same ones who said it isnt okay to defend Liam by comparing his actions to the past. Hypocrites Liam texting Anais was dead weird. Noel calling LC fat is dead weird. Both uncalled for. But if you compare what has been said to what they've both said before then it's similar. That was the point. You can't just say those past comments are obviously tongue in cheek but then say that Noel's comments about LC weren't. I think it's a really weird thing for him to do and he just didn't need to say it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 15, 2019 13:57:26 GMT -5
Hat trick!
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Post by fartpanic on Jul 15, 2019 18:44:32 GMT -5
Absolutely right. Literally all of those quotes are tounge in cheek and nothing like as offensive. I find extreme irony in the fact the same posters defending Noel on this by saying it isnt any different to other quotes, are the exact same ones who said it isnt okay to defend Liam by comparing his actions to the past. Hypocrites Liam texting Anais was dead weird. Noel calling LC fat is dead weird. Both uncalled for. But if you compare what has been said to what they've both said before then it's similar. That was the point. You can't just say those past comments are obviously tongue in cheek but then say that Noel's comments about LC weren't. I think it's a really weird thing for him to do and he just didn't need to say it. We are in total agreement on what Liam and Noel have done recently. Both out od order and wrong. But i seriously can see the funny side to the vast majority of those quotes above. But more importantly i can see the person they're aimed at finding them funny too. All bar maybe the La Roux one which was also a bit OTT (but dare i say it at least funny). I just think the main difference with Noel now is he was so on point 10-15 years ago. He might have been older, but he said the kind of things we all thought and seemed to be in a really good place with everything. So it in turn came across fun and playful. This stuff is like Bob Dylan/Keith Richards old age moaning. The main difference being Noel thinks hes still being that bloke from 2005 who was well loved for saying what he did. In fairness, i think "rivalry" always brings the worst out in Noel. It shows his immaturity as his main weakness. Ive said even before this Capaldi episode that he needs to rethink his PR approach big time and i still stick by it.
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Post by sjc8 on Jul 15, 2019 19:17:27 GMT -5
Haha! This kid is hilarious. I have never seen anyone take it to Noel like this. He is seriously making Noel look ridiculous. Richard Ashcroft or Brandon flowers from the killers should of done a variation of this long ago. Actually jay z did something similar a few years ago fake playing a white Stratocaster
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Post by mossy on Jul 16, 2019 5:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by bt95 on Jul 16, 2019 6:54:56 GMT -5
Liam texting Anais was dead weird. Noel calling LC fat is dead weird. Both uncalled for. But if you compare what has been said to what they've both said before then it's similar. That was the point. You can't just say those past comments are obviously tongue in cheek but then say that Noel's comments about LC weren't. I think it's a really weird thing for him to do and he just didn't need to say it. We are in total agreement on what Liam and Noel have done recently. Both out od order and wrong. But i seriously can see the funny side to the vast majority of those quotes above. But more importantly i can see the person they're aimed at finding them funny too. All bar maybe the La Roux one which was also a bit OTT (but dare i say it at least funny). I just think the main difference with Noel now is he was so on point 10-15 years ago. He might have been older, but he said the kind of things we all thought and seemed to be in a really good place with everything. So it in turn came across fun and playful. This stuff is like Bob Dylan/Keith Richards old age moaning. The main difference being Noel thinks hes still being that bloke from 2005 who was well loved for saying what he did. In fairness, i think "rivalry" always brings the worst out in Noel. It shows his immaturity as his main weakness. Ive said even before this Capaldi episode that he needs to rethink his PR approach big time and i still stick by it. Fair enough mate, and I can kind of too. But Capaldi has clearly seen the funny side of this too, so we can't really draw the line now, is all.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 16, 2019 8:07:39 GMT -5
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