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Post by jxing on Jul 3, 2019 20:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Jul 10, 2019 11:21:47 GMT -5
I think that was Noel's plan after the DOYS tour was done. The only difference between 1998 and 2009 was that he had talked of doing a solo album. If you read back Noel's interviews from that time period, I think Noel felt that the band had come to a point with DOYS where he wasn't sure what more there was to do at that point.
If I recall, he said he had some songs that he didn't think would fit the Oasis formula or that other band members would have an issue with (I'm thinking things like "What a Life"). And I believe that was part of the issues between the brothers at the time, as Liam felt that anyone in Oasis should be 100% committed to the group. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
But had they made it through those last few shows, I think Oasis would still be together. We may have had a longer wait between albums and I'm not sure if Noel would have done a solo album or not. But before the big blow up, I don't think things were any worse than things had gotten between Noel and Liam in the past.
I do have to say though, looking at things now from a professional point of view, is it better for both of them that Oasis broke up? Whether you like his musical direction or not, Noel's spark for his work has come back. He's very happy with the music he's making and he really seems to be enjoying playing with his band. And, after the failure of Beady Eye, Liam has had a really strong comeback, proving that he's one of the last great rock singers we have. And while his music steers closer to the Oasis sound than Noel, it's a bit different to me. Had they ended up staying together, what would we have got? I think they would have gotten like the Stones where it would have been the same Oasis stadium rock sound. But the new songs would have been less and less popular, especially compared to the old stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:29:28 GMT -5
Its pretty clear to me that oasis ended after 98. Even by 2000 their setlists were already becoming mostly a greatest hits list rather than one that was angled towards newer things. I think there was only two SOTSOG songs in the whole of the wembley setlist.
Noels attitude started changing, the band became more and more bland and it generally started becoming more like a sanitised bunch of people going through the motions than an actual band with spirit imo. They essentially went on a farewell tour for a decade.
Liam likely made the comment about being 100% committed to the band because I remember him saying this about beady eye and one of the main reasons why he walked, because andy wanted to do ride again. Liam didn't want beady eye to simply become one of many projects.
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Post by oasismashups on Jul 10, 2019 17:19:15 GMT -5
I think there was only two SOTSOG songs in the whole of the wembley setlist. 4 if you count Fuckin in the Bushes (Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 17:22:53 GMT -5
I think there was only two SOTSOG songs in the whole of the wembley setlist. 4 if you count Fuckin in the Bushes (Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic) fair play, I forgot about gas panic. Wasn't all that bad then.
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Post by pliolite on Jul 13, 2019 6:58:44 GMT -5
I think there was only two SOTSOG songs in the whole of the wembley setlist. 4 if you count Fuckin in the Bushes (Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic) Tbf, what else would you play from that album...?
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jul 13, 2019 9:34:40 GMT -5
4 if you count Fuckin in the Bushes (Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love?, Gas Panic) Tbf, what else would you play from that album...? Not sure what the general opinion of this song is amongst Oasis fans but I love Roll It Over.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jul 13, 2019 10:30:05 GMT -5
Tbf, what else would you play from that album...? Not sure what the general opinion of this song is amongst Oasis fans but I love Roll It Over. Definitely! And I have to say although the song is not really great, the live version of "I can see a liar" was fun. Too bad they already made a greatest hits set in 2000. Did not seem very confident inthemselves after 6 years as a band (ok first year wit andy and gem but well....)
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Jul 15, 2019 14:36:38 GMT -5
Seven of the ten songs from SOTSOG were played throughout the tour. Of course, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love and Gas Panic were played throughout the tour. But at the start of the tour, they also did I Can See a Liar and Noel's slot after Acquiesce at one point was Sunday Morning Call and Where Did It All Go Wrong. I Can See a Liar, while not Noel's best lyrics, I could have seen going down well at the stadium gigs. But, Step Out, for my money, was a much better choice for the stadium shows then what it replaced.
So, I don't think it was any lack of confidence in themselves. I think it was them trying to make a setlist that they thought played better for the types of venues. To me, the Familiar to Millions setlist does great for a stadium, although, yes, it is a little lazy. But, you could also say that of the setlists for the DBTT and DOYS tours too.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 15, 2019 17:55:53 GMT -5
Seven of the ten songs from SOTSOG were played throughout the tour. Of course, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love and Gas Panic were played throughout the tour. But at the start of the tour, they also did I Can See a Liar and Noel's slot after Acquiesce at one point was Sunday Morning Call and Where Did It All Go Wrong. I Can See a Liar, while not Noel's best lyrics, I could have seen going down well at the stadium gigs. But, Step Out, for my money, was a much better choice for the stadium shows then what it replaced. So, I don't think it was any lack of confidence in themselves. I think it was them trying to make a setlist that they thought played better for the types of venues. To me, the Familiar to Millions setlist does great for a stadium, although, yes, it is a little lazy. But, you could also say that of the setlists for the DBTT and DOYS tours too. I personally loved the DOYS tour setlist. Only changes would be to dump TMOS and Muffins. Great times at that tour at MSG and later Philly. My last ever Oasis gig. Front row. Dead center. Against the rail baby.
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Post by dadrocker on Jul 16, 2019 7:26:22 GMT -5
Seven of the ten songs from SOTSOG were played throughout the tour. Of course, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love and Gas Panic were played throughout the tour. But at the start of the tour, they also did I Can See a Liar and Noel's slot after Acquiesce at one point was Sunday Morning Call and Where Did It All Go Wrong. I Can See a Liar, while not Noel's best lyrics, I could have seen going down well at the stadium gigs. But, Step Out, for my money, was a much better choice for the stadium shows then what it replaced. So, I don't think it was any lack of confidence in themselves. I think it was them trying to make a setlist that they thought played better for the types of venues. To me, the Familiar to Millions setlist does great for a stadium, although, yes, it is a little lazy. But, you could also say that of the setlists for the DBTT and DOYS tours too. I personally loved the DOYS tour setlist. Only changes would be to dump TMOS and Muffins. Great times at that tour at MSG and later Philly. My last ever Oasis gig. Front row. Dead center. Against the rail baby. Yeah seeing Oasis at MSG was basically the culmination of it for me. Glad I got see them there before it ended.
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Post by MONO on Jul 19, 2019 3:26:26 GMT -5
Tbf, what else would you play from that album...? Roll it over. Could have easily replaced Champagne Supernova on their setlist.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 21, 2019 7:39:12 GMT -5
Seven of the ten songs from SOTSOG were played throughout the tour. Of course, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love and Gas Panic were played throughout the tour. But at the start of the tour, they also did I Can See a Liar and Noel's slot after Acquiesce at one point was Sunday Morning Call and Where Did It All Go Wrong. I Can See a Liar, while not Noel's best lyrics, I could have seen going down well at the stadium gigs. But, Step Out, for my money, was a much better choice for the stadium shows then what it replaced. So, I don't think it was any lack of confidence in themselves. I think it was them trying to make a setlist that they thought played better for the types of venues. To me, the Familiar to Millions setlist does great for a stadium, although, yes, it is a little lazy. But, you could also say that of the setlists for the DBTT and DOYS tours too. I personally loved the DOYS tour setlist. Only changes would be to dump TMOS and Muffins. Great times at that tour at MSG and later Philly. My last ever Oasis gig. Front row. Dead center. Against the rail baby. The setlist for the stadium gigs just before the split was their best ever imo.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 15, 2019 12:18:16 GMT -5
Its pretty clear to me that oasis ended after 98. That's pretty much how I felt about Oasis. After BHN it really felt like the end of an era. A shortlived one, even shorter than The Beatles 8 year reign, but an unforgettable one, with a band at their absolute peak, and became the biggest thing on the planet. I'm just so glad I got to witness this in my lifetime. No band will ever have an impact like that again. It was a moment frozen in time, with the ultimate ride being Knebworth to the release of DYKWIM. The Masterplan in 98 was a great snapshot summary of that shortlived era, when it was released. But we all knew by then the dream was sadly over. Oasis Mk2 didn't feel that much different to Noel and Liam's solo careers now, tbh. The bigness and greatness of it all had disappeared, but for us fans who still hung on to those glory days, remembering those long gone good times, we still lapped up every interview and bought every new single and album, in the hope that we could relive those short, crazy mid 90's Britpop years again and again. But it was never quite the same. SOTSOG was the aftermath, the hangover record. And the rest of the albums that followed was mainly Noel writing by numbers, in autopilot mode, heart not in it anymore, with Liam's voice shot to pieces, and the other members coasting along like they were in a tribute band.
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Post by oneofus on Sept 3, 2019 20:34:15 GMT -5
I thought Dont Believe the Truth was a beautiful album. Liams vocals weren't the greatest but the songs had spirit
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 4, 2019 0:10:18 GMT -5
I thought Dont Believe the Truth was a beautiful album. Liams vocals weren't the greatest but the songs had spirit I think it's one of their weakest. It has one great song on it, 2 decent ones and a lot of crap. Plus Liam's vocals were awful indeed.
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Post by oneofus on Sept 4, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -5
Standing on the shoulders of Giants minus Gas Panic for me was their worst effort. I enjoy DBTT I thought Dont Believe the Truth was a beautiful album. Liams vocals weren't the greatest but the songs had spirit I think it's one of their weakest. It has one great song on it, 2 decent ones and a lot of crap. Plus Liam's vocals were awful indeed.
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