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Post by lalaland on Jun 24, 2019 6:17:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 24, 2019 14:11:23 GMT -5
Maybe sadiq doesn't really know Why the knife crime grows And everyone seems to die
Lately the knife crime stays the same But he's not to blame Its Tory cuts and cuts alone
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 24, 2019 14:13:03 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments.
It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 24, 2019 14:48:55 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments. It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though. Yep, he's got that totally wrong, not understanding to a degree that Khan only has the resources given to him from central government.
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Post by matt on Jun 24, 2019 16:23:46 GMT -5
Oh dear Liam, you’ve had a mare here.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 24, 2019 18:17:48 GMT -5
Maybe sadiq doesn't really know Why the knife crime grows And everyone seems to die Lately the knife crime stays the same But he's not to blame Its Tory cuts and cuts alone It's also the absolute state of certain people and how they're brought up. I don't think Khan is doing a great job, but yeh, he's not to blame. I don't live in London. I don't have any wish to either (unless I had the money!). But it's a sad state atm.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 24, 2019 18:22:07 GMT -5
Right, I've just watched the first bit of the interview.
I'm gonna defend Liam. He's not directly said that it's Khan's fault. He's just said he wants him to be more proactive?
More and more shite keeps happening and while I agree it's not his fault, he ultimately has been the political face of London. And yes, he does always come out with the same tripe. Just because he has a dig at Trump on twitter doesn't excuse that.
Anyway, I hope people on Twitter don't start calling Liam a tory c***.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 24, 2019 18:22:47 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments. It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though. The far right? What, Richard Spencer?
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Post by bt95 on Jun 24, 2019 18:25:18 GMT -5
Taking it away from (actual) politics for a minute, and onto brother politics.
About Noel...
"He's acting like I stabbed one of his cats, or slapped one of his kids or, dare I say it, tried it on with is missus..." (poignant look to the camera).
Err...Liam? Wasn't there something of a rumour about that haha?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 24, 2019 18:33:27 GMT -5
Right, I've just watched the first bit of the interview. I'm gonna defend Liam. He's not directly said that it's Khan's fault. He's just said he wants him to be more proactive? More and more shite keeps happening and while I agree it's not his fault, he ultimately has been the political face of London. And yes, he does always come out with the same tripe. Just because he has a dig at Trump on twitter doesn't excuse that. Anyway, I hope people on Twitter don't start calling Liam a tory c***. He'd have to tick a few more boxes before people started calling him that. In regard to Khan, cuts have had a terrible effect on London and not just those to the police. The closing of community centres, sure start centres, youth clubs and community initiatives have left a gaping hole in preventative social measures to reduce violence.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 24, 2019 18:57:33 GMT -5
Right, I've just watched the first bit of the interview. I'm gonna defend Liam. He's not directly said that it's Khan's fault. He's just said he wants him to be more proactive? More and more shite keeps happening and while I agree it's not his fault, he ultimately has been the political face of London. And yes, he does always come out with the same tripe. Just because he has a dig at Trump on twitter doesn't excuse that. Anyway, I hope people on Twitter don't start calling Liam a tory c***. He'd have to tick a few more boxes before people started calling him that. In regard to Khan, cuts have had a terrible effect on London and not just those to the police. The closing of community centres, sure start centres, youth clubs and community initiatives have left a gaping hole in preventative social measures to reduce violence. I don't doubt that ultimately it boils down to cuts mate. But at the end of the day he's the face of it. There's been massive cuts all over the country, and I get that London is completely different to everywhere else - it's its own country in many ways. The thing is, while there have been massive cuts to services all over the country, I would wager - I could be wrong - that there has been more money pumped into the London area than anywhere else. Evidently, not enough. It's a sad state however that we need 'preventative social measures to reduce violence'. I've seen videos online of kids taking knives to school, of them attacking delivery cyclists in the street. That's on those kids. I don't give a flying fuck, they're scum and need to be treated as such. So I suppose if Khan could be more hard-hitting in his speeches, it would help people (from the outside looking in, because this is what I am doing) believe in him a bit more? I don't think he's an awful or bad person. I just don't think he can be considered blameless either.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 24, 2019 19:13:34 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments. It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though. This genuinely happens every time anyone from the left is criticised. We spend so long banging on about right wing bias in papers and the news that we overlook how bigoted the left can be, and then end up with all these "shy" voters who give us Brexit and Trump. You're totally right, the cuts have been a disgrace but Khan needs to take some blame. How anyone cant watch Liams interview and see it was a flippant comment whilst self admittedly saying he doesn't know much about politics is beyond me. Slow news day.
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 24, 2019 23:55:49 GMT -5
It's easy to trip yourself up when talking about politics. He actually made some decent comments but the one about Khan is perfect for clickbait. He said it's not right how we've now had two unelected leaders and he suggested Tory's need removing. He even suggested Green Party should get a chance. Both comments have been forgotten and everyone is jumping on the Khan one. He's not trending anymore so everyone will forget about it. Way the world works these days.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 25, 2019 2:35:55 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments. It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though. This genuinely happens every time anyone from the left is criticised. We spend so long banging on about right wing bias in papers and the news that we overlook how bigoted the left can be, and then end up with all these "shy" voters who give us Brexit and Trump. You're totally right, the cuts have been a disgrace but Khan needs to take some blame. How anyone cant watch Liams interview and see it was a flippant comment whilst self admittedly saying he doesn't know much about politics is beyond me. Slow news day. This isn't about left or right, it does seem to be a subject to like to keep coming back to though. If you cut social services and the police to the bone for a sustained period of time, violence and crime will increase. That's not all either, poverty, low wages etc.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 25, 2019 3:07:38 GMT -5
This genuinely happens every time anyone from the left is criticised. We spend so long banging on about right wing bias in papers and the news that we overlook how bigoted the left can be, and then end up with all these "shy" voters who give us Brexit and Trump. You're totally right, the cuts have been a disgrace but Khan needs to take some blame. How anyone cant watch Liams interview and see it was a flippant comment whilst self admittedly saying he doesn't know much about politics is beyond me. Slow news day. This isn't about left or right, it does seem to be a subject to like to keep coming back to though. If you cut social services and the police to the bone for a sustained period of time, violence and crime will increase. That's not all either, poverty, low wages etc. In terms of criticising Sadiq Khan, whos of the left. The response has been very much like when anyone dare speak out against Saint Corbyn.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 25, 2019 3:30:41 GMT -5
This isn't about left or right, it does seem to be a subject to like to keep coming back to though. If you cut social services and the police to the bone for a sustained period of time, violence and crime will increase. That's not all either, poverty, low wages etc. In terms of criticising Sadiq Khan, whos of the left. The response has been very much like when anyone dare speak out against Saint Corbyn. That's just a nonsense to be fair. Khan and Corbyn both have their flaws, I don't know anyone who would describe Corbyn as a saint , you're just conforming to the the biggest problem politics has right now, personality politics. This isn't about personality, its about policy. Central governement policy is causing a multitude of problems across the country, let alone London.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 25, 2019 5:34:59 GMT -5
Not gone down well on Twitter and the far right are latching onto his comments. It's too easy to just blame Khan without thinking about the ridiculous police cuts that have created the situation. Khan isn't blameless though. This genuinely happens every time anyone from the left is criticised. We spend so long banging on about right wing bias in papers and the news that we overlook how bigoted the left can be, and then end up with all these "shy" voters who give us Brexit and Trump. You're totally right, the cuts have been a disgrace but Khan needs to take some blame. How anyone cant watch Liams interview and see it was a flippant comment whilst self admittedly saying he doesn't know much about politics is beyond me. Slow news day. Couldn't agree more. And unless people like Richard Spencer (actual fucking Nazi twats) are latching onto his comments, then it's not 'the far right'.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 25, 2019 5:39:42 GMT -5
This genuinely happens every time anyone from the left is criticised. We spend so long banging on about right wing bias in papers and the news that we overlook how bigoted the left can be, and then end up with all these "shy" voters who give us Brexit and Trump. You're totally right, the cuts have been a disgrace but Khan needs to take some blame. How anyone cant watch Liams interview and see it was a flippant comment whilst self admittedly saying he doesn't know much about politics is beyond me. Slow news day. This isn't about left or right, it does seem to be a subject to like to keep coming back to though. If you cut social services and the police to the bone for a sustained period of time, violence and crime will increase. That's not all either, poverty, low wages etc. But they aren't the only reasons and it's worth pointing out. These kids/youths are absolute shit stains and while a lack of services clearly is a huge factor, it also boils down to personality and personal responsibility - something which is increasingly ignored. Let's say 1/15 kids in a certain area carries a knife. They have all had the same upbringing in terms of area, hanging around together etc (in this example). They have also all had the same lack of access to services. Fourteen of them don't carry a knife. One does. Personal choice. Don't think anyone will disagree that the cuts to services and policing are having a devastating impact. However, they aren't the root cause. The root cause is some scummy tit deciding to carry a knife.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 26, 2019 2:54:17 GMT -5
This isn't about left or right, it does seem to be a subject to like to keep coming back to though. If you cut social services and the police to the bone for a sustained period of time, violence and crime will increase. That's not all either, poverty, low wages etc. But they aren't the only reasons and it's worth pointing out. These kids/youths are absolute shit stains and while a lack of services clearly is a huge factor, it also boils down to personality and personal responsibility - something which is increasingly ignored. Let's say 1/15 kids in a certain area carries a knife. They have all had the same upbringing in terms of area, hanging around together etc (in this example). They have also all had the same lack of access to services. Fourteen of them don't carry a knife. One does. Personal choice. Don't think anyone will disagree that the cuts to services and policing are having a devastating impact. However, they aren't the root cause. The root cause is some scummy tit deciding to carry a knife. You think all these kids were born shit stains? That they were pre ordained to carry a knife on the street? Your example is about as poor as it gets. Very few people carry a knife for the hell of it, the root cause isn't the action of someone carrying it, its the why that choice was made.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 26, 2019 5:53:18 GMT -5
But they aren't the only reasons and it's worth pointing out. These kids/youths are absolute shit stains and while a lack of services clearly is a huge factor, it also boils down to personality and personal responsibility - something which is increasingly ignored. Let's say 1/15 kids in a certain area carries a knife. They have all had the same upbringing in terms of area, hanging around together etc (in this example). They have also all had the same lack of access to services. Fourteen of them don't carry a knife. One does. Personal choice. Don't think anyone will disagree that the cuts to services and policing are having a devastating impact. However, they aren't the root cause. The root cause is some scummy tit deciding to carry a knife. You think all these kids were born shit stains? That they were pre ordained to carry a knife on the street? Your example is about as poor as it gets. Very few people carry a knife for the hell of it, the root cause isn't the action of someone carrying it, its the why that choice was made. No not at all. I didn't say that and you're completely misunderstanding the point. However, they did make a choice to carry a knife. I've said that 'cuts to services and policing have had a devastating impact'. They're all factors. But ultimately the only person who makes a choice to carry that knife is the person who carries the knife. Like I said, personal responsibility. You can throw all the factors in and they all add up, but it still boils down to choice. And there is absolutely no excuse for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 7:37:32 GMT -5
One of my former colleagues lives in Lewisham. His son refused to join a gang, so they stabbed him.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 26, 2019 8:56:01 GMT -5
One of my former colleagues lives in Lewisham. His son refused to join a gang, so they stabbed him. Lol
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jun 26, 2019 9:12:32 GMT -5
One of my former colleagues lives in Lewisham. His son refused to join a gang, so they stabbed him. I'm sorry to hear that.
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