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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 20:42:46 GMT -5
I prefer the wall of glass video tbh. this will do the job but doesnt really do much for me, its not great. Its all abit random like a bunch of ideas stuck together with no real thought. For example there is a bunch of random people in there for no apparent reason at around 1:10, 1:15 (what is that all about) literally no relation to anything, then hes suddenly in the middle of a riot. Then they start using all these visual effects. Its just a mess.
Same. I'd like to see Liam watching the event that kicks off the protests and the riots, off to one side. He sees some sort of injustice. Others do too. Maybe he walks past groups of people reading a newspaper headline of the event, and slowly we see the protest forming, people organizing, then the authorities (with the one person who initiated the event in the authority group) countering, riots, but eventually everyone figures out that One Person is the bad guy. As Liam walks away, they arrest bad guy, or just chase him down the street in the background.
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 13, 2019 20:45:42 GMT -5
But it's not generic...it's got a distinct southern american look to it. I'm really not up in arms about it. I'm not southern, nor african-american, obviously wasn't apart of the civil rights or war protests but I know bad taste when I see it...And other people have already mentioned other aspects of appropriation about the video. It's just a weird miss-mash. I don't know. Just gives me an ick feeling. Liam is better than this. There were a handful of black people in the video, along with a handful of whites, a handful of men, a handful of women. The protest most definitely wasn't portrayed as being centered around any particular group or cause, so what on Earth are you on about? Had no african-americans been featured, would we be having a conversation on erasure? There's no winning when someone's determined to find a target.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 13, 2019 20:55:41 GMT -5
Sad part with Nicki is that she does have talent. That verse on Monster will never be forgotten. Iconic. Still, it must be a lot easier to rake in millions with twerk anthems year after year.
Anyway, where were we? Cultural appropriation?
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Post by shannee on Jun 13, 2019 21:50:55 GMT -5
But it's not generic...it's got a distinct southern american look to it. I'm really not up in arms about it. I'm not southern, nor african-american, obviously wasn't apart of the civil rights or war protests but I know bad taste when I see it...And other people have already mentioned other aspects of appropriation about the video. It's just a weird miss-mash. I don't know. Just gives me an ick feeling. Liam is better than this. There were a handful of black people in the video, along with a handful of whites, a handful of men, a handful of women. The protest most definitely wasn't portrayed as being centered around any particular group or cause, so what on Earth are you on about? Had no african-americans been featured, would we be having a conversation on erasure? There's no winning when someone's determined to find a target. Sigh I’ve already explained my point of view pretty thoroughly in this thread. I’m not going to go through the video frame by frame and explain my take on every cultural reference for gods sake. If you don’t see these references based on the black and white cinematography, the clothing, the setting, and the action that’s fine. Why not ask some of the other people in this thread who also expressed their reservations or dislike of the video to expand on their thoughts instead. I’m sure that would be much more interesting.
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 13, 2019 21:59:32 GMT -5
There were a handful of black people in the video, along with a handful of whites, a handful of men, a handful of women. The protest most definitely wasn't portrayed as being centered around any particular group or cause, so what on Earth are you on about? Had no african-americans been featured, would we be having a conversation on erasure? There's no winning when someone's determined to find a target. Sigh I’ve already explained my point of view pretty thoroughly in this thread. I’m not going to go through the video frame by frame and explain my take on every cultural reference for gods sake. If you don’t see these references based on the black and white cinematography, the clothing, the setting, and the action that’s fine. Why not ask some of the other people in this thread who also expressed their reservations or dislike of the video to expand on their thoughts instead. I’m sure that would be much more interesting. You are describing very loose, vague associations that make you feel uneasy. I don't think you should call them "references", a word which implies intent on the part of the creators.
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Post by shannee on Jun 13, 2019 22:16:59 GMT -5
Sigh I’ve already explained my point of view pretty thoroughly in this thread. I’m not going to go through the video frame by frame and explain my take on every cultural reference for gods sake. If you don’t see these references based on the black and white cinematography, the clothing, the setting, and the action that’s fine. Why not ask some of the other people in this thread who also expressed their reservations or dislike of the video to expand on their thoughts instead. I’m sure that would be much more interesting. You are describing very loose, vague associations that make you feel uneasy. I don't think you should call them "references", a word which implies intent on the part of the creators.
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Post by pliolite on Jun 13, 2019 23:05:49 GMT -5
This video should have been about a bully, or bullies, getting their comeuppance. Whether it be kids in a playground, or whatever. I'm not sure what this big, glam video is doing attached to a Liam tune. Zero relevance. Just the director trying to make a statement.
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 14, 2019 1:10:45 GMT -5
I prefer the wall of glass video tbh. this will do the job but doesnt really do much for me, its not great. Its all abit random like a bunch of ideas stuck together with no real thought. For example there is a bunch of random people in there for no apparent reason at around 1:10, 1:15 (what is that all about) literally no relation to anything, then hes suddenly in the middle of a riot. Then they start using all these visual effects. Its just a mess.
Its not like Liams or even noels videos ever make much sense however. I much prefer the simplicity of Noels "ballad of the mighty I" for example.
hey DREAMWalker.. think of it... as a DREAM
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 14, 2019 3:42:11 GMT -5
Christ what the fuck are people on about?
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Post by Didi on Jun 14, 2019 3:45:49 GMT -5
great video! loving the scene when Liam walks through the protesters
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Post by birthdaycakes7 on Jun 14, 2019 4:19:13 GMT -5
The video is a bunch of nonsense just like every other Gallagher video
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Post by endstation on Jun 14, 2019 5:59:25 GMT -5
The video is a bunch of nonsense just like every other Gallagher video Exactly. I almost cannot think of one single Gallagher video that makes any sense. Can you? However, I actually like Noel's video for Black star dancing...
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Post by endstation on Jun 14, 2019 6:00:18 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that Liam doesn't do a better video. He might get much more views if the video is worth watching.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 6:38:16 GMT -5
The video is a bunch of nonsense just like every other Gallagher video Exactly. I almost cannot think of one single Gallagher video that makes any sense. Can you? However, I actually like Noel's video for Black star dancing... ballad of the mighty I is a random video but Id probably say its the best Gallagher related video ever released. its in keeping with the tone of the song whilst acknowledging that its only a music video, even having Noel walk into the room where its being edited, comments about chris martin etc. ballad of the mighty I is an underrated release in general imo, its the kind of direction I wish Noel wouldve gone more into. It keeps his classic edge whilst offering something modern without the cheapness that clouds most of his recent releases.
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 14, 2019 7:49:42 GMT -5
please don't derail the thread with Nicki Minaj I'd rather have 10 more pages of Liam's voice debate or another Noel vs Liam round Thanks Paul's the cutest brother, there I said it. That was my joke, Dwight!
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Post by spaneli on Jun 14, 2019 10:57:27 GMT -5
I think some people are reading way too much into this. it's just a promo video, there are worse things out there for sure. and there are protests all over the world for many different things, hardly a cultural appropiation imo I probably shouldn't have come back to this thread, but it looks like most non-Americans don't see the association of the images. I think this might be a difference in countries, but as an african american, the images being used struck me immediately and made me queasy. The idea of black faces walking into confrontations with police, in a video set during the 60s, when it was common for police to sick dogs on human beings... i mean, those are powerful images in Amercian culture and history. There's a honorific feeling set up around that period and those protests, and some incredibly grissly images attached to them. Im not saying Liam and co were purposely aware of such associations, i obviously doubt they were. But I don't think one should readily dismiss objections by people living in the culture (probably) being represented in the video as "reading too much into it." And I agree with another user, it clearly has a southern/western vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 11:10:17 GMT -5
The video isn't set in the 60s. There's making of photos from the videoshoot on instagram, and they were going for the 70s dream feeling, whatever that means.
Can't understand why there seems to be 3 threads about this video now, it's not that special, although Liam does look good in it.
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Post by eva on Jun 14, 2019 11:13:42 GMT -5
I think some people are reading way too much into this. it's just a promo video, there are worse things out there for sure. and there are protests all over the world for many different things, hardly a cultural appropiation imo I probably shouldn't have come back to this thread, but it looks like most non-Americans don't see the association of the images. I think this might be a difference in countries, but as an african american, the images being used struck me immediately and made me queasy. The idea of black faces walking into confrontations with police, in a video set during the 60s, when it was common for police to sick dogs on human beings... i mean, those are powerful images in Amercian culture and history. There's a honorific feeling set up around that period and those protests, and some incredibly grissly images attached to them. Im not saying Liam and co were purposely aware of such associations, i obviously doubt they were. But I don't think one should readily dismiss objections by people living in the culture (probably) being represented in the video as "reading too much into it." And I agree with another user, it clearly has a southern/western vibe. I understand your point of view. we also had a fair share of protests and repression during our history but I didn't for one second related to in the music video. maybe it's different in your country
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 14, 2019 11:19:56 GMT -5
I think some people are reading way too much into this. it's just a promo video, there are worse things out there for sure. and there are protests all over the world for many different things, hardly a cultural appropiation imo I probably shouldn't have come back to this thread, but it looks like most non-Americans don't see the association of the images. I think this might be a difference in countries, but as an african american, the images being used struck me immediately and made me queasy. The idea of black faces walking into confrontations with police, in a video set during the 60s, when it was common for police to sick dogs on human beings... i mean, those are powerful images in Amercian culture and history. There's a honorific feeling set up around that period and those protests, and some incredibly grissly images attached to them. Im not saying Liam and co were purposely aware of such associations, i obviously doubt they were. But I don't think one should readily dismiss objections by people living in the culture (probably) being represented in the video as "reading too much into it." And I agree with another user, it clearly has a southern/western vibe. If the creators weren't aware of the associations, you are by definition "reading too much into it". The video had random numbers of people from different ethnicities, with no clear attempt to tie the protest to any cause in particular. Would you have been happier with no "black faces" being used at all?
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Post by shannee on Jun 14, 2019 11:36:40 GMT -5
I probably shouldn't have come back to this thread, but it looks like most non-Americans don't see the association of the images. I think this might be a difference in countries, but as an african american, the images being used struck me immediately and made me queasy. The idea of black faces walking into confrontations with police, in a video set during the 60s, when it was common for police to sick dogs on human beings... i mean, those are powerful images in Amercian culture and history. There's a honorific feeling set up around that period and those protests, and some incredibly grissly images attached to them. Im not saying Liam and co were purposely aware of such associations, i obviously doubt they were. But I don't think one should readily dismiss objections by people living in the culture (probably) being represented in the video as "reading too much into it." And I agree with another user, it clearly has a southern/western vibe. If the creators weren't aware of the associations, you are by definition "reading too much into it". The video had random numbers of people from different ethnicities, with no clear attempt to tie the protest to any cause in particular. Would you have been happier with no "black faces" being used at all?
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 14, 2019 11:54:05 GMT -5
If the creators weren't aware of the associations, you are by definition "reading too much into it". The video had random numbers of people from different ethnicities, with no clear attempt to tie the protest to any cause in particular. Would you have been happier with no "black faces" being used at all? Rent-free
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 14, 2019 12:17:34 GMT -5
If the creators weren't aware of the associations, you are by definition "reading too much into it". The video had random numbers of people from different ethnicities, with no clear attempt to tie the protest to any cause in particular. Would you have been happier with no "black faces" being used at all? Don't bring something up you have problem with and then dimiss someone for making a point on it to the contrary. Especially when you're inconsistent on what you find acceptable.
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Post by cedomil on Jun 14, 2019 12:35:32 GMT -5
Great video, love it, love the southern vibe and although the riot police/protesters part is something I can relate too (oh yes...) what I like more about it is the distant homage to one of the best music clips ever - The Pretender by the Foo Fighters. 😎
Oh and those girls dancing are spot on. Needles to say I hate dancing vids...😉
OK, I'll see myself out 😜
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Post by chamu on Jun 19, 2019 14:53:03 GMT -5
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