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Post by jxing on Jun 6, 2019 19:08:13 GMT -5
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Here's how the new Liam Gallagher documentary answers the touchy 'Noel question'
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"I hate the term sibling rivalry, but that's what it is. I know my brother better than anybody else and Liam is like a dog, and I'm like a cat. Cats are very independent creatures - they don't give a fuck, right bastards - and dogs are just like 'play with me, play with me, please throw that fucking ball.' It's as basic as that. You can't change the way that you are. I'm a cat, that's just what I am. I've accepted it, I'm a bit of a bastard." - Noel Gallagher in Supersonic.
Aside from the incredible story of Oasis and their breathtaking back catalogue of tunes, a large reason why Mat Whitecross' brilliant documentary, Supersonic, worked is because it captured the love/hate/love/hate/hate/hate/love relationship between Liam and Noel Gallagher.
In terms of the origin of their rivalry, both men will happily recall a time when Liam stumbled home drunk and continued to piss all over Noel's new stereo as the moment it began, but the truth is actually far more normal and mundane. Isn't that what family life is like?
In his own words, Noel always resented Liam because he was younger, more charismatic, had a better walk, and clothes always looked better on him. As for Liam, he had a chip on his shoulder because Noel was the talented musician, a far better songwriter, and a more natural leader for the band. We all know the history of their fights, but in the new documentary Liam Gallagher: As It Was,viewers will get a very different look at the world's most famous Parka-wearing singer. [https://m0]
Without giving too much away, the new film documents the fall and rise of Liam Gallagher as he goes from the dizzying heights of Oasis to the lows of being ostracised from the music industry.
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Make no mistake about it, this is very much Liam's story as we get to see a side of his personality that's rarely seen. Granted, the hilarious bravado and one-liners are still there - Liam will always be addictive company - but it's the more somber moments that really resonate. We see Liam hurting. We see Liam worry over the future. We see Liam dealing with the most normal issue that we all experience - anxiety. This is Liam's story but so much of his life revolves around Noel. Similarly, so much of Noel's story revolves around Liam. Oasis fans will know that the brothers still aren't talking to each other - despite the interventions of their saintlike mother from Mayo, Peggy - but when it came to making the documentary, this posed a real problem for its co-director, Gavin Fitzgerald. Ahead of the documentary being released, JOE had the chance to chat with Fitzgerald and we had to ask him about the elephant in the room. In terms of its narrative approach, the documentary starts with that infamous gig in Paris and the breakup of Oasis, however, would Noel and the breakup of Oasis be a touchy subject for the singer to talk about? Fitzgerald says that when it comes to Liam Gallagher, nothing is off limits. “Liam was pretty open doing the interview. He actually had no problem talking about Noel and whenever I’d bring it up (the breakup) while filming, I’d be cautious about it because I didn't want to bring up bad feelings in him, but he’s like ‘well I’m always bringing him up!’ so that was his way of giving me permission.
"I think that’s where the story needed to start (the breakup of Oasis). Supersonic was a great film and it charted the rise of Oasis, but this film is very different in that it’s Liam’s story. Liam’s story really starts when Oasis split up because he’s out on his own for the first time. He is a creative singer and he had to prove that, but it’s not easy when you’re just known as the singer of Oasis. That’s where it starts for me." [https://m0]
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Supersonic featured some blistering Oasis songs - the live tracks and unheard recordings from the studio were exceptional - but Liam Gallagher: As It Was is very different as it features no Oasis tunes. This isn't for the want of trying, though. "When I came onto the documentary at a later stage of production, we were under the impression that we could use Oasis music. But Noel owns the publishing rights to all of that music so if he refuses, you can’t use any Oasis songs," said Fitzgerald. "Then we thought we could use songs that Liam had written and performed for Oasis, but Noel strummed a guitar on those tracks too and he refused those songs also. It’s a little bitter, maybe it’s his way of getting back at Liam for the stuff that he says about him," added the director. Despite these setbacks, Fitzgerald did reach out to Noel by asking him to feature in the documentary. Sadly, the request fell on deaf ears. "You’re hearing more from the lawyers about that one but they said no. Obviously, I’d have loved to have Noel in the documentary and hear his side of the story but he wasn’t that interested. There’s no big Oasis angle in this documentary and we were focusing more on Liam's story, but Noel is a very big part of that.
“There’s a couple of things that proved to be tricky. Using any footage of Noel had to be acquired by a third-party and that proved to be very expensive. Creatively, we were restricted in that way. In terms of the narrative approach, I felt that Liam should carry the film but of course, Noel is the elephant in the room and you need to address it."
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At present, both men are enjoying an incredibly successful period in their solo careers - Liam is about to record his second album while Noel's latest record, Who Built The Moon?, received a Mercury Award nomination - but would an Oasis reunion ever happen? [https://m0] Having spent more time with the singer than most other people, Fitzgerald isn't that optimistic but he does think that Liam misses his big brother. "I think Liam says outrageous stuff about Noel - usually when he’s angry - and he’s a bundle of emotions when you mention Noel, but at the heart of it, I think he does miss him. I think Liam would get Oasis back in a heartbeat but I don’t think Noel would ever do it. I don’t see him going back there to that place. I can’t see him (Noel) being the back up singer because he’s a frontman now and he's running things in his own circles. They’re very different people now and they're at very different times in their life." Thankfully, we're delighted to say that the documentary isn't any weaker, less captivating, or engaging without Noel. If you loved Supersonic, Liam Gallagher: As It Was does feel like its spiritual sequel while also having its own identity. Just like the Gallagher brothers, eh? Somewhere, right now, we reckon that Noel Gallagher is probably thinking about making his own documentary, just to one-up Liam. We wouldn't have it any other way. Liam Gallagher: As It Was is released in Irish cinemas from 7 June. Here's a taste of what's in store
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 19:54:55 GMT -5
tbh when Noel refused to allow Oasis songs to be used the people he punished are Liam's fans, who are generally Oasis fans and usually his fans too. Prick.
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Post by Stemot on Jun 7, 2019 3:24:00 GMT -5
tbh when Noel refused to allow Oasis songs to be used the people he punished are Liam's fans, who are generally Oasis fans and usually his fans too. Prick. The fact he wpuldn't give permission for him to use his own live Live Forever performance at Manchester is scummy as fuck.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jun 7, 2019 8:31:07 GMT -5
Noel sems very bitter right now. I think it is ok to not use noel written oasis songs, but even refuse the liam written ones is weird. But good that the movie focuses on liams songwriting career.
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Post by Gerhard on Jun 7, 2019 14:54:53 GMT -5
All I ever hear is criticize criticize criticize...
No matter what Liam will do or bring out he will always talk (bad) about Noel or fans of Liam wil do. I really don't get it. Noel is up to something else these days like it or leave it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 15:40:02 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant.
I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel.
I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him.
It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 7, 2019 15:54:07 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Maybe Liam stole his spoon? That could have been what the fight in Paris was about.
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Post by jxing on Jun 7, 2019 19:26:14 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Yeah, I've always thought it was telling how no one kept in touch with noel I don't count gem or Chris bc I honestly think that's just a job and nothing more. I'm over them reuniting as a band,friends or brother..now it's just vindictive, petty bs that affecting the fans.
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Post by jxing on Jun 7, 2019 19:26:53 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Maybe Liam stole his spoon? That could have been what the fight in Paris was about. That could explain everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 19:38:31 GMT -5
I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. After the One Love Concert and Liam's comments, Noel has put distance between himself and anyone attached to Liam. He's called Liam's fans, "Parka Monkeys." He's had a go at both Ashcroft and Dave Ghrol. He doesn't believe Ashcroft uses songwriters, he's ensuring Ashcroft doesn't saunter up to a NGHFB concert. I wonder if he recent disco forays are further attempts to put distance between himself and Liam fans given the "Parka Monkey" shots failed to rattle anyone?
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Post by frjdoasis on Jun 9, 2019 20:09:23 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Maybe Liam stole his spoon? That could have been what the fight in Paris was about. Who Built the Spoon?
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Post by bt95 on Jun 10, 2019 6:18:05 GMT -5
tbh when Noel refused to allow Oasis songs to be used the people he punished are Liam's fans, who are generally Oasis fans and usually his fans too. Prick. The film doesn't suffer for not having Oasis songs though. It's not about Oasis. It's about Liam and his comeback. Yeh, Noel shouldn't have done it. But Liam shouldn't have said Noel didn't give a fuck about the Manchester bombing, and Liam shouldn't have said a lot of the things he has about Noel's family either. Neither of them are innocent.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 10, 2019 6:19:41 GMT -5
I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. After the One Love Concert and Liam's comments, Noel has put distance between himself and anyone attached to Liam. He's called Liam's fans, "Parka Monkeys." He's had a go at both Ashcroft and Dave Ghrol. He doesn't believe Ashcroft uses songwriters, he's ensuring Ashcroft doesn't saunter up to a NGHFB concert. I wonder if he recent disco forays are further attempts to put distance between himself and Liam fans given the "Parka Monkey" shots failed to rattle anyone? Pretty sure Ashcroft himself has said that Noel cleared up that with him last year. They're still mates - at least as much as they ever were. Always got the impression that Ashcroft and Liam were much closer than Ashcroft and Noel. As a side note, it'd probably do Ashcroft some good to work with another writer, like.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 10, 2019 6:20:48 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Aye, let's hear him say he wants someone to die of aids...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 7:59:35 GMT -5
I do find myself wanting 90s Noel back more these days. He just seems like a cock nowadays. I understand that people change but hes just lost his charm, he just seems bitter and rather unpleasant. I still find it somewhat interesting that the rest of oasis stuck with Liam after oasis broke up, then youve got people like paul and bonehead who are still close with Liam yet seemingly have nothing to do with Noel. I mean look at ashcroft, what was he doing suddenly insulting him over songwriters? I dont know whats up with him. It honestly feels like Noel ended up with the fork in a world of soup all of a sudden. Aye, let's hear him say he wants someone to die of aids... clearly I don't mean that do I? its pretty clear that Noel was generally a more easy going guy in the 90s and wasnt such a toffee nosed twat with a constant bitter edge to him. As with most celebrities Noel has lost his charming everyday guy personality that he once had. Its probably the one main difference you can draw between him and Liam, Liam generally seems like the same guy who still hangs out down his local pub with the same people he was before oasis even happened.
Im not saying Noel can't change and people do change, hes grown up but that doesnt mean I have to like his attitude these days. He comes across like one of the beautiful people these days. I remember watching the electric proms in 2008 and Noel kept pointing out his celebrity friends in the audience like russell brand and daniel craig. Just summed up the contrast to me.
I can understand why Liam doesnt like that aspect, I don't even remember the last time Liam even spoke about hanging out with other celebrities. He doesnt seem to care. Thats not to say Noel cant have celebrity friends but you can clearly see the difference in personality between the two. Noel is hanging out with the likes of bono whilst Liam is still hanging with the likes of bonehead.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 10, 2019 13:25:37 GMT -5
Aye, let's hear him say he wants someone to die of aids... clearly I don't mean that do I? its pretty clear that Noel was generally a more easy going guy in the 90s and wasnt such a toffee nosed twat with a constant bitter edge to him. As with most celebrities Noel has lost his charming everyday guy personality that he once had. Its probably the one main difference you can draw between him and Liam, Liam generally seems like the same guy who still hangs out down his local pub with the same people he was before oasis even happened.
Im not saying Noel can't change and people do change, hes grown up but that doesnt mean I have to like his attitude these days. He comes across like one of the beautiful people these days. I remember watching the electric proms in 2008 and Noel kept pointing out his celebrity friends in the audience like russell brand and daniel craig. Just summed up the contrast to me.
I can understand why Liam doesnt like that aspect, I don't even remember the last time Liam even spoke about hanging out with other celebrities. He doesnt seem to care. Thats not to say Noel cant have celebrity friends but you can clearly see the difference in personality between the two. Noel is hanging out with the likes of bono whilst Liam is still hanging with the likes of bonehead.
I know mate, was a joke.
Honestly though, I don't see that much of a change. He's always been one for name dropping. He's always wanted the money and the high life. Liam never has. They're just very different people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 13:26:43 GMT -5
clearly I don't mean that do I? its pretty clear that Noel was generally a more easy going guy in the 90s and wasnt such a toffee nosed twat with a constant bitter edge to him. As with most celebrities Noel has lost his charming everyday guy personality that he once had. Its probably the one main difference you can draw between him and Liam, Liam generally seems like the same guy who still hangs out down his local pub with the same people he was before oasis even happened.
Im not saying Noel can't change and people do change, hes grown up but that doesnt mean I have to like his attitude these days. He comes across like one of the beautiful people these days. I remember watching the electric proms in 2008 and Noel kept pointing out his celebrity friends in the audience like russell brand and daniel craig. Just summed up the contrast to me.
I can understand why Liam doesnt like that aspect, I don't even remember the last time Liam even spoke about hanging out with other celebrities. He doesnt seem to care. Thats not to say Noel cant have celebrity friends but you can clearly see the difference in personality between the two. Noel is hanging out with the likes of bono whilst Liam is still hanging with the likes of bonehead.
I know mate, was a joke.
Honestly though, I don't see that much of a change. He's always been one for name dropping. He's always wanted the money and the high life. Liam never has. They're just very different people. oh ok, my bad mate, I aint being a prick, promise.
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Post by captainsoul on Jun 12, 2019 2:47:10 GMT -5
After the One Love Concert and Liam's comments, Noel has put distance between himself and anyone attached to Liam. He's called Liam's fans, "Parka Monkeys." He's had a go at both Ashcroft and Dave Ghrol. He doesn't believe Ashcroft uses songwriters, he's ensuring Ashcroft doesn't saunter up to a NGHFB concert. I wonder if he recent disco forays are further attempts to put distance between himself and Liam fans given the "Parka Monkey" shots failed to rattle anyone? Pretty sure Ashcroft himself has said that Noel cleared up that with him last year. They're still mates - at least as much as they ever were. Always got the impression that Ashcroft and Liam were much closer than Ashcroft and Noel. As a side note, it'd probably do Ashcroft some good to work with another writer, like. I'm almost sure that that has never happened yet.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 12, 2019 3:14:02 GMT -5
Noel sems very bitter right now. I think it is ok to not use noel written oasis songs, but even refuse the liam written ones is weird. have you seen it ? It"s Noel bashing for the first 15 minutes. I'd be pissed off too. Liam's playing the poor abandoned brother and makes his brother look like a dick. when in fact, both are (to each other)...
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 12, 2019 3:19:09 GMT -5
Noel sems very bitter right now. I think it is ok to not use noel written oasis songs, but even refuse the liam written ones is weird. have you seen it ? It"s Noel bashing for the first 15 minutes. I'd be pissed off too. Liam's playing the poor abandoned brother and makes his brother look like a dick. when in fact, both are (to each other)... On a scale of 1-10, how mad are you about the documentary?
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Post by andymorris on Jun 12, 2019 3:24:39 GMT -5
have you seen it ? It"s Noel bashing for the first 15 minutes. I'd be pissed off too. Liam's playing the poor abandoned brother and makes his brother look like a dick. when in fact, both are (to each other)... On a scale of 1-10, how mad are you about the documentary? 0 really. I enjoyed it, but the beginning about the end of Oasis was pretty shocking to be honest. I'd say it was Trump-esque I'm happy to have seen Liam working in the studio although they were clearly having their spinal tap moment air guitaring / air drumming hen the songs were playing on the speakers . Not seen it in full yet. I'll get back to you if my rating changes.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 12, 2019 6:17:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure Ashcroft himself has said that Noel cleared up that with him last year. They're still mates - at least as much as they ever were. Always got the impression that Ashcroft and Liam were much closer than Ashcroft and Noel. As a side note, it'd probably do Ashcroft some good to work with another writer, like. I'm almost sure that that has never happened yet. It's either one or the other that then clarified the point (maybe it was NG clarifying what he meant).
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Post by bt95 on Jun 12, 2019 6:18:21 GMT -5
captainsoulI think I saw something from Noel as well, will try find it.
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Post by captainsoul on Jun 12, 2019 16:26:49 GMT -5
captainsoul I think I saw something from Noel as well, will try find it. I had already read it before. It's a tweet where Ashcroft explains something that he said in a concert when he was supporting Liam in USA, but the reality it's that Noel hasn't said sorry or clarified anything yet. BTW, that tweet was published the 19th of May of 2018 and Ashcroft, the 19th of October of 2018, said this: www.gigwise.com/features/3286185/i-m-already-a-king-richard-ashcroft-interviewed
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Post by bt95 on Jun 12, 2019 17:24:19 GMT -5
fair enough, I've got crossed wires. I'll have another look in the morning. I said at the time it was a dead weird comment by Noel though,yeh.
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