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Shockwave
Jun 6, 2019 14:42:20 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2019 14:42:20 GMT -5
While I couldn’t be less surprised by your post which songs since DBTT sound like this? While I couldn't be less surprised by tour reply,I'll answer tour question. I'd say, the meaning of soul. Is less strucured, less tailored, yes. That's probably where he had help. But it's a sleazy, dirty, scruffy, simple rock song with a bluesy feel. Even the theme of the lyrics is similiar, about some purity of soul that rises above someone else's crooked values. Granted, the female divinity in Noel's songs is boring and generalistic. This is boring and too childish. Jesus, so that’s one song. And it’s because it’s bluesy? Tough break for all those who have written blues songs that must sound the same. Even if there are links, tenuous but links. Play the songs together back to back, they ain’t anywhere close.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 14:49:24 GMT -5
Depends what year. 2000-2005 yes. Now? Maybe not! Nah, BRMC have never lost it. Every album they've released is great. And their live performances are even greater. No. I got all the studio albums and I love them but 'The Effects of 333' is a piece of shite and so are their live albums. The worst live albums ever released by any band. It's really horrifying how bad they are outside the studio. One of the biggest disappointments in music history of the last two decades I witnessed.
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Shockwave
Jun 6, 2019 14:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by bogaloo on Jun 6, 2019 14:54:46 GMT -5
While I couldn't be less surprised by tour reply,I'll answer tour question. I'd say, the meaning of soul. Is less strucured, less tailored, yes. That's probably where he had help. But it's a sleazy, dirty, scruffy, simple rock song with a bluesy feel. Even the theme of the lyrics is similiar, about some purity of soul that rises above someone else's crooked values. Granted, the female divinity in Noel's songs is boring and generalistic. This is boring and too childish. Jesus, so that’s one song. And it’s because it’s bluesy? Tough break for all those who have written blues songs that must sound the same. Even if there are links, tenuous but links. Play the songs together back to back, they ain’t anywhere close. Yes, that's one song from DBTT. As I said initially. But ain't got nothing from DOYS, too is in the same vein, actually it's kind of the same song as TMOS. And not just because it's bluesy. It's the dirty rocking sound with the recurring theme.
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Post by Jack on Jun 6, 2019 14:57:08 GMT -5
Nah, BRMC have never lost it. Every album they've released is great. And their live performances are even greater. No. I got all the studio albums and I love them but 'The Effects of 333' is a piece of shite and so are their live albums. The worst live albums ever released by any band. It's really horrifying how bad they are outside the studio. One of the biggest disappointments in music history of the last two decades I witnessed. 333 aside, all their other albums are great IMO. Try listening to some live bootlegs or radio sessions, they're def not shit when live. Their official live album is shit because the sound quality is awful.
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Post by Plantpot on Jun 6, 2019 14:57:59 GMT -5
Nah, BRMC have never lost it. Every album they've released is great. And their live performances are even greater. No. I got all the studio albums and I love them but 'The Effects of 333' is a piece of shite and so are their live albums. The worst live albums ever released by any band. It's really horrifying how bad they are outside the studio. One of the biggest disappointments in music history of the last two decades I witnessed. I couldn't agree more, mono. Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is one of my favorite bands, but their live performances have always been vastly inferior to their studio efforts, unfortunately.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 15:05:07 GMT -5
333 aside, all their other albums are great IMO. Try listening to some live bootlegs or radio sessions, they're def not shit when live. Their official live album is shit because the sound quality is awful. I really am a fan from the beginning. I heard the song 'Fail-Safe' somewhere and couldn't get it out of my head. Then bought the debut album some time later and got really disappointed that it wasn't on it. And the problem was that I didn't know the title of the song I couldn't forget. As these were the pre Youtube/discogs/whatever days it took me ages to find that song and I've almost given up and thought it was from another band. It felt like heaven to discover it years later. That's how much of a BRMC fan I am. And despite this they are simply shite live. Almost like a very bad cover band. I hate to say it, but that's the way it is.
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Post by norkbauer on Jun 6, 2019 15:13:41 GMT -5
No. I got all the studio albums and I love them but 'The Effects of 333' is a piece of shite and so are their live albums. The worst live albums ever released by any band. It's really horrifying how bad they are outside the studio. One of the biggest disappointments in music history of the last two decades I witnessed. 333 aside, all their other albums are great IMO. Try listening to some live bootlegs or radio sessions, they're def not shit when live. Their official live album is shit because the sound quality is awful. Which one? Live in London? Or Live? They have three live albums, these two plus Live in Paris, which is by miles the best one for me.
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Post by Jack on Jun 6, 2019 15:24:44 GMT -5
333 aside, all their other albums are great IMO. Try listening to some live bootlegs or radio sessions, they're def not shit when live. Their official live album is shit because the sound quality is awful. I really am a fan from the beginning. I heard the song 'Fail-Safe' somewhere and couldn't get it out of my head. Then bought the debut album some time later and got really disappointed that it wasn't on it. And the problem was that I didn't know the title of the song I couldn't forget. As these were the pre Youtube/discogs/whatever days it took me ages to find that song and I've almost given up and thought it was from another band. It felt like heaven to discover it years later. That's how much of a BRMC fan I am. And despite this they are simply shite live. Almost like a very bad cover band. I hate to say it, but that's the way it is. Do you consider this to be a shite live performance?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2019 15:25:27 GMT -5
Jesus, so that’s one song. And it’s because it’s bluesy? Tough break for all those who have written blues songs that must sound the same. Even if there are links, tenuous but links. Play the songs together back to back, they ain’t anywhere close. Yes, that's one song from DBTT. As I said initially. But ain't got nothing from DOYS, too is in the same vein, actually it's kind of the same song as TMOS. And not just because it's bluesy. It's the dirty rocking sound with the recurring theme.
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Post by norkbauer on Jun 6, 2019 15:26:34 GMT -5
Nah, BRMC have never lost it. Every album they've released is great. And their live performances are even greater. No. I got all the studio albums and I love them but 'The Effects of 333' is a piece of shite and so are their live albums. The worst live albums ever released by any band. It's really horrifying how bad they are outside the studio. One of the biggest disappointments in music history of the last two decades I witnessed. I love BRMC live performances, but I respect if you don't enjoy as much as I do. The fact they keep being a trio live probably is the reason for this and I agree, they have many songs with two or three guitars on studio which doesn't exist on their shows.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 15:43:30 GMT -5
Do you consider this to be a shite live performance? YES. It's got not much to do with the studio version. I love BRMC live performances, but I respect if you don't enjoy as much as I do. The fact they keep being a trio live probably is the reason for this and I agree, they have many songs with two or three guitars on studio which doesn't exist on their shows. I simply think they need the studio tricks to make the songs work and they seem to be very good at working in the studio and they are very good producers. They are 'just' bad live musicians. Cream were also just three guys on the stage and were a massive power trio, probably the best of all time. And in those days it was even harder to recreate songs on stage. So that doesn't sound like a valid argument as Cream's songs worked 'quite well' on stage
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Shockwave
Jun 6, 2019 15:43:34 GMT -5
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Post by bogaloo on Jun 6, 2019 15:43:34 GMT -5
Yes, that's one song from DBTT. As I said initially. But ain't got nothing from DOYS, too is in the same vein, actually it's kind of the same song as TMOS. And not just because it's bluesy. It's the dirty rocking sound with the recurring theme. Actually, Nevermind, I'm currently more in the mood for this:
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Post by riverman on Jun 6, 2019 15:47:05 GMT -5
Remember a lot DBTT thing
Loved it
HEY
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Post by Jack on Jun 6, 2019 15:49:18 GMT -5
Do you consider this to be a shite live performance? YES. It's got not much to do with the studio version. Lol, ok. That's the point of live performances, to expand, improvise and make it sound different. I would be pretty disappointed if every live act performed their songs exactly like the studio version. 'Greedy Soul' has got not much to do with the studio version, but it's far superior.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 15:53:51 GMT -5
Lol, ok. That's the point of live performances, to expand, improvise and make it sound different. Which is totally fine if it's done well. So not in case of BRMC
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 6, 2019 16:31:07 GMT -5
Lol, ok. That's the point of live performances, to expand, improvise and make it sound different. Which is totally fine if it's done well. So not in case of BRMC Man you think this is shit? They are brilliant live.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 16:38:41 GMT -5
We're talking about actual live recordings, not songs overdubbed in the studio.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 6, 2019 16:38:58 GMT -5
Anyway, Shockwave is catchy as fuck and a great Liam vocal. Not sure they really needed to make the choruses so high though, it still makes it sound slightly artificial when he struggles live. 7/10, I'm looking forward to hearing more stuff.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 6, 2019 16:39:43 GMT -5
Holy Mountain (imo) is genuinely up there in the top 10/15 songs Noel has written though. I haven't heard Shockwave studio version yet so can't comment, but I liked the live version. I don't know if Mouth is a troll or not. But he has a point that people do tend to sway more towards 'Liam is amazing' if he puts out a bog-standard track, compared to if Noel puts out a bog-standard track it's 'Noel's a tory twat' etc. Anyway, glad Liam's back. I'm really looking forward to hearing Shockwave in its entirety. I don't really want to enter the debate of a Noel song in a Liam thread but the whole Masterplan album litteraly sh*ts on Holy mountain and it's only b-sides, so already 13 songs better than holy mountain which is a sh*tty ripoff of plastic bertrand. (and a sh*tty cringy song in general) That's fine, it's your opinion. My opinion is I genuinely love Holy Mountain (after on the first two/three listens not been sure on it). I think it's the type of bombastic, upbeat songwriting that Noel hadn't done in two decades and I love it. It may not be top 10 (because I love Go Let It Out and I always put that as my no.10 in lists really, and HM isn't better than that9, but it's definitely top 15 for me.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 6, 2019 16:42:22 GMT -5
We're talking about actual live recordings, not songs overdubbed in the studio. Narp still not having it. That's genuinely pissed me off.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 6, 2019 16:44:46 GMT -5
I don't really want to enter the debate of a Noel song in a Liam thread but the whole Masterplan album litteraly sh*ts on Holy mountain and it's only b-sides, so already 13 songs better than holy mountain which is a sh*tty ripoff of plastic bertrand. (and a sh*tty cringy song in general) That's fine, it's your opinion. My opinion is I genuinely love Holy Mountain (after on the first two/three listens not been sure on it). I think it's the type of bombastic, upbeat songwriting that Noel hadn't done in two decades and I love it. It may not be top 10 (because I love Go Let It Out and I always put that as my no.10 in lists really, and HM isn't better than that9, but it's definitely top 15 for me. This also pisses me off. I must be grumpy tonight.
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Post by MONO on Jun 6, 2019 16:45:40 GMT -5
Calm down. You like them live and I don't. Who cares. Life goes on.
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Post by Jack on Jun 6, 2019 16:45:44 GMT -5
We're talking about actual live recordings, not songs overdubbed in the studio. Narp still not having it. That's genuinely pissed me off. Don't listen to this guy, BRMC are amazing live, no question. He's just delusional or trolling.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 6, 2019 16:46:18 GMT -5
Holy Mountain (imo) is genuinely up there in the top 10/15 songs Noel has written though. I haven't heard Shockwave studio version yet so can't comment, but I liked the live version. I don't know if Mouth is a troll or not. But he has a point that people do tend to sway more towards 'Liam is amazing' if he puts out a bog-standard track, compared to if Noel puts out a bog-standard track it's 'Noel's a tory twat' etc. Anyway, glad Liam's back. I'm really looking forward to hearing Shockwave in its entirety. You’re living in some sort of dream land. The lack or perspective is huge. Firstly, mouth is a troll, has been for years. Not because he prefers Noel to Liam but because he really doesn’t like Liam at all and regularly posts here to get a rise. Secondly, if you think the same thing doesn’t occur in the other section you are either naive or blind. The suggestion that it’s just Liam fans that celebrate something many consider average is stupid. Over the last week the same thing has happened that always happens. There’s the trolls that crawl out that want Liam to fail, that are bitter about a strangers success. There are the big Liam fans and those who look at it dispassionately and critique the song as they find it. Give it a rest fella. I call for perspective all the time. Not once have I said that the same thing doesn't happen the other way round. Re-read my post. I haven't heard the studio version of Shockwave yet but when I do I'm sure I'll like it. Don't really care if it's 'Liam by the numbers' because he's good at that. I doubt it's 10/10 like others are saying but then again that's their opinion. Just like it's my opinion that HM is one of the best songs Noel's written. We're on a forum and everyone is entitled to one. My only hope for this album is that it isn't all 'Liam by numbers'. He has the voice and power to take it further than that, and the following too. Doesn't have to be space jazz, just don't want, or need, AYW mk II. I'm hopeful that it won't be. Either way, it's good to have him back (and those Spezials are boss).
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Shockwave
Jun 6, 2019 16:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2019 16:54:16 GMT -5
You’re living in some sort of dream land. The lack or perspective is huge. Firstly, mouth is a troll, has been for years. Not because he prefers Noel to Liam but because he really doesn’t like Liam at all and regularly posts here to get a rise. Secondly, if you think the same thing doesn’t occur in the other section you are either naive or blind. The suggestion that it’s just Liam fans that celebrate something many consider average is stupid. Over the last week the same thing has happened that always happens. There’s the trolls that crawl out that want Liam to fail, that are bitter about a strangers success. There are the big Liam fans and those who look at it dispassionately and critique the song as they find it. Give it a rest fella. I call for perspective all the time. Not once have I said that the same thing doesn't happen the other way round. Re-read my post. I haven't heard the studio version of Shockwave yet but when I do I'm sure I'll like it. Don't really care if it's 'Liam by the numbers' because he's good at that. I doubt it's 10/10 like others are saying but then again that's their opinion. Just like it's my opinion that HM is one of the best songs Noel's written. We're on a forum and everyone is entitled to one. My only hope for this album is that it isn't all 'Liam by numbers'. He has the voice and power to take it further than that, and the following too. Doesn't have to be space jazz, just don't want, or need, AYW mk II. I'm hopeful that it won't be. Either way, it's good to have him back (and those Spezials are boss). It’s not a 10/10. That would make it the perfect song, a song that belongs with the very best ever written. It doesn’t. Noel is a bit of a Tory twat btw.
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