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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 16:09:33 GMT -5
International football is a bit shit can you pm pls? I will unblock you
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Mar 23, 2018 16:45:37 GMT -5
Holland are absolutely shite. Fully expect an away win. Won a nice few quid on the result too.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Mar 23, 2018 18:08:25 GMT -5
i bet my bollocks england get knocked the fuck out of the world cup at the 1st stage, id rather watch a glass eye watch paint dry
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 26, 2018 17:17:56 GMT -5
As an England fan, here are my rankings for the last 5 World Cups:
1. France ‘98 2. Japan/South Korea ‘02 3. Germany ‘06 4. South Africa ‘10 5. Brazil ‘14
The previous two were diabolical tournaments all around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 17:22:37 GMT -5
Japan/South Korea we were beaten by the best side in the tournament due to a fluke goal. I think if we beat Brazil we win the World Cup that year. France 98 we had a disallowed goal wrongly ruled out against Argentina although I think France were always going to win it. 2006 seemed to be the peak of the golden generation and we blew it sadly.
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Post by globe on Mar 27, 2018 2:56:37 GMT -5
Japan/South Korea we were beaten by the best side in the tournament due to a fluke goal. I think if we beat Brazil we win the World Cup that year. France 98 we had a disallowed goal wrongly ruled out against Argentina although I think France were always going to win it. 2006 seemed to be the peak of the golden generation and we blew it sadly. You also got a penalty against Argentina in 2002 that was never a penalty and won that game 1-0, so if your Auntie had baws and all that eh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 3:50:43 GMT -5
Japan/South Korea we were beaten by the best side in the tournament due to a fluke goal. I think if we beat Brazil we win the World Cup that year. France 98 we had a disallowed goal wrongly ruled out against Argentina although I think France were always going to win it. 2006 seemed to be the peak of the golden generation and we blew it sadly. You also got a penalty against Argentina in 2002 that was never a penalty and won that game 1-0, so if your Auntie had baws and all that eh. Well considering the bad decisions we've had given against us when playing Argentina in past games i think we were due some luck.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 27, 2018 3:50:56 GMT -5
Japan/South Korea we were beaten by the best side in the tournament due to a fluke goal. I think if we beat Brazil we win the World Cup that year. France 98 we had a disallowed goal wrongly ruled out against Argentina although I think France were always going to win it. 2006 seemed to be the peak of the golden generation and we blew it sadly. by 'fluke' goal do you mean ronaldinho's amazing free kick? hardly a fluke...and germany wouldve beaten you in the final anyway. and by 'wrongly disallowed goal' in '98, do you mean sol's header after shearer elbowed the GK? not to mention beckhams red and the fact that neither of those things actually lost you the game because you still made it to penalties. sh!t penalty taking is what lost that game...what a shock. i suppose the disallowed goal vs germany in '10 was the reason you lost that game 4-1 aswell?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 4:28:48 GMT -5
Japan/South Korea we were beaten by the best side in the tournament due to a fluke goal. I think if we beat Brazil we win the World Cup that year. France 98 we had a disallowed goal wrongly ruled out against Argentina although I think France were always going to win it. 2006 seemed to be the peak of the golden generation and we blew it sadly. by 'fluke' goal do you mean ronaldinho's amazing free kick? hardly a fluke...and germany wouldve beaten you in the final anyway. and by 'wrongly disallowed goal' in '98, do you mean sol's header after shearer elbowed the GK? not to mention beckhams red and the fact that neither of those things actually lost you the game because you still made it to penalties. sh!t penalty taking is what lost that game...what a shock. i suppose the disallowed goal vs germany in '10 was the reason you lost that game 4-1 aswell? Yes a fluke. Ronaldinho himself says it. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/2796957.stmShearer elbowed the goalkeeper? Go and watch the goal again. The goalkeeper ran in no mans land and got nowhere near the ball. Shearer jumped for the header fairly, they both missed and Campbell scored in the empty net. Never a foul in a million years. Wouldn't have gone to penalties if the referee made the correct decision. No the reason we lost in 2010 was because we were shit.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 27, 2018 4:50:15 GMT -5
by 'fluke' goal do you mean ronaldinho's amazing free kick? hardly a fluke...and germany wouldve beaten you in the final anyway. and by 'wrongly disallowed goal' in '98, do you mean sol's header after shearer elbowed the GK? not to mention beckhams red and the fact that neither of those things actually lost you the game because you still made it to penalties. sh!t penalty taking is what lost that game...what a shock. i suppose the disallowed goal vs germany in '10 was the reason you lost that game 4-1 aswell? Yes a fluke. Ronaldinho himself says it. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/2796957.stmShearer elbowed the goalkeeper? Go and watch the goal again. The goalkeeper ran in no mans land and got nowhere near the ball. Shearer jumped for the header fairly, they both missed and Campbell scored in the empty net. Never a foul in a million years. Wouldn't have gone to penalties if the referee made the correct decision. No the reason we lost in 2010 was because we were shit. granted, he was aiming for the other corner, but either way it was a shot at goal...by fluke i thought you meant he was trying to cross it, which is what most of the arguements were about when it happened. a shot that goes in from 30-35 yards, lobbing the keeper who is off his line, cant be all fluke...its pretty much all seamans fault. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/at-last-the-truth-about-the-goal-that-broke-england-117420.htmli did watch the campbell goal again, and can see as plain as day that when shearer goes up for the header his elbow hits roa in the face, which means he didnt go up for it fairly. his elbows were up...dont matter where the GK is, an elbow to the face is a foul. at least we can agree on the 2010 team...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 5:51:06 GMT -5
I've always thought it was harsh to blame Seaman. I don't think anyone expected a shot on goal by Ronaldinho. It was a lucky goal by a world class player. You are probably right about losing to Germany to be fair. We beat them 5-1 the year before which is why I would fancy us but I think in a final they would have dealt with the pressure better than us.
Roa was heading right towards Shearer to try and punch the ball which is why he uses his arms to protect himself from the possibility of getting clattered. I don't think he is reckless or tries to gain an advantage. Not a foul in my opinion.
The Lampard goal in 2010 wouldn't have made a difference. Germany were far too good and we were awful in that tournament and were lucky to come out the group.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 27, 2018 6:38:43 GMT -5
I've always thought it was harsh to blame Seaman. I don't think anyone expected a shot on goal by Ronaldinho. It was a lucky goal by a world class player. You are probably right about losing to Germany to be fair. We beat them 5-1 the year before which is why I would fancy us but I think in a final they would have dealt with the pressure better than us. Roa was heading right towards Shearer to try and punch the ball which is why he uses his arms to protect himself from the possibility of getting clattered. I don't think he is reckless or tries to gain an advantage. Not a foul in my opinion. The Lampard goal in 2010 wouldn't have made a difference. Germany were far too good and we were awful in that tournament and were lucky to come out the group. the 5-1 game wasnt all that important tho (in regards to world cup). germany had already qualified and pretty much wrapped up first place...thats what i tell myself anyway, but actually it was really embarassing to lose like that in munich. i watched the game in england at the pub i was working at, which made it even worse. my nickname was '5-1' for months... also, england wouldve had turkey in the semi, and im pretty sure they couldve found a way to blow it and lose. i can be swayed on the level of flukiness in ronnies goal, but i'll always believe the shearer elbow is a foul. have done since the minute after it happened...elbows up is a foul, regardless of intent.
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 27, 2018 8:06:30 GMT -5
That was more than obvious foul on GK
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:29:32 GMT -5
When you see it in real time Roa is running towards Shearer with his arms close to his head and intention of punching the ball out. Shearer jumps for the header and then instinctively mid flight in the last moment moves his arm to protect himself from a keepers flinging arms because that's all he can do in that moment to avoid being hit in the face. Elbows are given as fouls because they involve the opponent being reckless and trying to gain an advantage. If you disagree that's fine but never a foul for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:37:48 GMT -5
Why a thread for a team that hasn't played a single final in a major tournament for more than 50 years ??
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 27, 2018 9:46:47 GMT -5
the point is that raising your elbows like that IS reckless... only the english will try and claim that its not a foul. same as only a german will claim hurst's 2nd goal never crossed the line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:53:19 GMT -5
I'm not gonna win this argument am i
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:56:56 GMT -5
Anyway when we come up against a decent team we are out. Believe it or not England fans I know have never been arrogant of the national team. We are mainly negative about our chances. It's the media mainly who have an arrogant attitude that must be piss others off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 10:13:29 GMT -5
Best moment of qualifying. Harry Kane smashing in an equaliser in the last minute against Scotland who thought they had won it...
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Post by Spaceman on Mar 27, 2018 10:24:56 GMT -5
Why a thread for a team that hasn't played a single final in a major tournament for more than 50 years ?? For non English fans entertainment when they inevitably fail tbh
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 27, 2018 10:27:33 GMT -5
Goalkeeper vs player is not the same as player vs player. Rules were even stricter about that before 2006. His elbow is up, it doesn´t matter what his intentions were or if it was instinctively. Players should generally learn that they shouldn´t raise their arms so high in the air. I know that it is different case but this also wasn´t intentional but their arms were where they shouldn´t be. Let´s remember Serbian handballers at WC 2010
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Post by sgtpeppr on Mar 27, 2018 10:27:52 GMT -5
Anyway when we come up against a decent team we are out. Believe it or not England fans I know have never been arrogant of the national team. We are mainly negative about our chances. It's the media mainly who have an arrogant attitude that must be piss others off. this. most englishmen i know are usually pretty pessemistic of their chances. and ive thought for years that the english media (tabloids mainly) are one of the teams biggest obstacles...usually they pile pressure onto whoever the big name is at the time (gazza, becks, rooney) and then tear them apart when they implode or cant keep up with the ridiculous expectations. then again, some great players have made a habit of never really turning up for the national team. fowler, scholes, lamps, macca, gerrard... no one can 'win' the arguement...we see the game as we want. the fun is in discussing our differences.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 10:34:59 GMT -5
Anyway when we come up against a decent team we are out. Believe it or not England fans I know have never been arrogant of the national team. We are mainly negative about our chances. It's the media mainly who have an arrogant attitude that must be piss others off. this. most englishmen i know are usually pretty pessemistic of their chances. and ive thought for years that the english media (tabloids mainly) are one of the teams biggest obstacles...usually they pile pressure onto whoever the big name is at the time (gazza, becks, rooney) and then tear them apart when they implode or cant keep up with the ridiculous expectations. then again, some great players have made a habit of never really turning up for the national team. fowler, scholes, lamps, macca, gerrard... no one can 'win' the arguement...we see the game as we want. the fun is in discussing the differences. When we had our group drawn for the 2010 world cup I remember the papers come out and say it's such an easy group and we should qualify no problem. Great way to put pressure on the team and give other nations motivation. Funnily enough we struggled. We forget some of our best players are surrounded by quality players in the club teams. Sterling has de bruyne and Silva playing with him for Man City but for England has Henderson and Dier. Kane has Erikson, Son, Dembele etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 10:37:47 GMT -5
Goalkeeper vs player is not the same as player vs player. Rules were even stricter about that before 2006. His elbow is up, it doesn´t matter what his intentions were or if it was instinctively. Players should generally learn that they shouldn´t raise their arms so high in the air. I know that it is different case but this also wasn´t intentional but their arms were where they shouldn´t be. Let´s remember Serbian handballers at WC 2010 That was never a handball...
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 27, 2018 10:50:17 GMT -5
Goalkeeper vs player is not the same as player vs player. Rules were even stricter about that before 2006. His elbow is up, it doesn´t matter what his intentions were or if it was instinctively. Players should generally learn that they shouldn´t raise their arms so high in the air. I know that it is different case but this also wasn´t intentional but their arms were where they shouldn´t be. Let´s remember Serbian handballers at WC 2010 That was never a handball... Little bonus for you, Serbia at WC 2006. What do you think about this? Everything clear I guess
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