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Post by globe on Jan 16, 2020 1:55:04 GMT -5
So, Lev Parnas eh.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 16, 2020 11:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jan 20, 2020 17:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jan 21, 2020 14:00:07 GMT -5
HERE WE GAN
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Post by Marissa on Jan 21, 2020 15:38:26 GMT -5
i'm horrified by this and the reaction to this cause everyone is like LOOK THERE WAS NO VIOLENCE!!!! ITS ALMOST AS IF GUNS ARENT THE PROBLEM!!!!!! well yeah no shit gun rights activists aren't going to shoot each other
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jan 21, 2020 16:33:10 GMT -5
ive been watching this live for about 2 hours now,its well worth watching
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 30, 2020 13:01:58 GMT -5
The House wanted Impeachment before Xmas.
The Senate now wants Acquittal before SOTU.
I call that fair.
#ididntstartthefire
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jan 30, 2020 19:40:06 GMT -5
The House wanted Impeachment before Xmas. The Senate now wants Acquittal before SOTU. I call that fair. #ididntstartthefire Nothing is fair in this shit show starring a clown to scared to testify or let others testify to support him
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Post by funhouse on Jan 31, 2020 13:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by Zingbot on Jan 31, 2020 19:38:24 GMT -5
Joe Biden is a joke. Bernie's on track to win the general election, not just the primary.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 31, 2020 23:35:44 GMT -5
People in the US (and all over the world) are experiencing capitalist burnout. Not all of them will be able to identify the root of their problems as capitalism, but the masses are starting to realize that the current political and economic systems in place serve only the rich and exploit the poor not as a bug, but as a feature. Some react to this by embracing fascism (and indeed that's why Trump's in office) but I'm glad that America is starting to move in the right direction.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 1, 2020 5:14:24 GMT -5
People in the US (and all over the world) are experiencing capitalist burnout. Not all of them will be able to identify the root of their problems as capitalism, but the masses are starting to realize that the current political and economic systems in place serve only the rich and exploit the poor not as a bug, but as a feature. Some react to this by embracing fascism (and indeed that's why Trump's in office) but I'm glad that America is starting to move in the right direction. And in such circumstances people are less likely to care about labels. Many former Obama voters voted for a racist, and this time around Bernie is able to attract lots of former Republican voters. When things get rough people don't really care who you are, all they care about is whether that person is willing to help them or not.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 1, 2020 5:16:09 GMT -5
Joe Biden is a joke. Bernie's on track to win the general election, not just the primary. He is, but he can still win so I'll wait before I write him off!
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Post by globe on Feb 1, 2020 8:36:52 GMT -5
The House wanted Impeachment before Xmas. The Senate now wants Acquittal before SOTU. I call that fair. #ididntstartthefire Aye fair - a trial with nae witnesses. Smert democracy.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 1, 2020 9:12:00 GMT -5
Absolutely disgusting what the GOP has done. Shameful. Unforgivable. To say history will look back on this moment unkindly is an understatement.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 1, 2020 16:51:20 GMT -5
People in the US (and all over the world) are experiencing capitalist burnout. Not all of them will be able to identify the root of their problems as capitalism, but the masses are starting to realize that the current political and economic systems in place serve only the rich and exploit the poor not as a bug, but as a feature. Some react to this by embracing fascism (and indeed that's why Trump's in office) but I'm glad that America is starting to move in the right direction. And in such circumstances people are less likely to care about labels. Many former Obama voters voted for a racist, and this time around Bernie is able to attract lots of former Republican voters. When things get rough people don't really care who you are, all they care about is whether that person is willing to help them or not. Tbh I don't think so-called Obama-to-Trump voters were that prevalent in the 2016 election. The media's discussion of that always seemed to go with their insistence that Democrats only appeal to Rust Belt white working class voters instead of minority voters who stayed home because they felt Clinton didn't represent them. That's not to say that Sanders's message doesn't resonate with former Trump supporters, but I can't help but see the Obama-to-Trump voter narrative as part of the media once again valuing white opinions over non-white ones.
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Post by Marissa on Feb 1, 2020 17:10:04 GMT -5
Joe Biden is a joke. Bernie's on track to win the general election, not just the primary. He is, but he can still win so I'll wait before I write him off! considering how he's running around telling climate activists to literally vote for someone else you should already write him off. he's absolute trash and he thinks that the DNC is going to hand him the nom because he's all up in the corruption. he is a problem.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 1, 2020 19:32:39 GMT -5
And in such circumstances people are less likely to care about labels. Many former Obama voters voted for a racist, and this time around Bernie is able to attract lots of former Republican voters. When things get rough people don't really care who you are, all they care about is whether that person is willing to help them or not. Tbh I don't think so-called Obama-to-Trump voters were that prevalent in the 2016 election. The media's discussion of that always seemed to go with their insistence that Democrats only appeal to Rust Belt white working class voters instead of minority voters who stayed home because they felt Clinton didn't represent them. That's not to say that Sanders's message doesn't resonate with former Trump supporters, but I can't help but see the Obama-to-Trump voter narrative as part of the media once again valuing white opinions over non-white ones. I don't know exactly how prevelent it was but I still think it's a good example. And the thing with Bernie is that he has actual integrity, which is something that is very appealing not only to those already preaching his ideology.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 1, 2020 19:39:24 GMT -5
He is, but he can still win so I'll wait before I write him off! considering how he's running around telling climate activists to literally vote for someone else you should already write him off. he's absolute trash and he thinks that the DNC is going to hand him the nom because he's all up in the corruption. he is a problem. I meant that you can't count him out. He is undoubtedly trash, but it's not like he's miles behind in any national polls. At least not yet, and part of that is the media not having cared about looking into his horrible past. But at least some people have, and this thread is a good read.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 1, 2020 23:29:13 GMT -5
Tbh I don't think so-called Obama-to-Trump voters were that prevalent in the 2016 election. The media's discussion of that always seemed to go with their insistence that Democrats only appeal to Rust Belt white working class voters instead of minority voters who stayed home because they felt Clinton didn't represent them. That's not to say that Sanders's message doesn't resonate with former Trump supporters, but I can't help but see the Obama-to-Trump voter narrative as part of the media once again valuing white opinions over non-white ones. I don't know exactly how prevelent it was but I still think it's a good example. And the thing with Bernie is that he has actual integrity, which is something that is very appealing not only to those already preaching his ideology. That's fair. It's a good example. I completely agree with you that Bernie's personality is a big driver in his popularity, probably more than his actual policies. Most people in the US just vote based on aesthetics anyway. Unless they're a politics nerd like me, nobody's gonna be researching exactly how a president's stances will actually affect them haha. It's great that people can look at Bernie and see a genuine figure to look up to! I remember an old professor of mine telling me that he thought individual leaders and their personalities are irrelevant in political science discussion because they only reflect broader trends. But I think personality does matter! How ideas (especially ones rejected by the mainstream) are sold to people matters more than the ideas themselves. Fortunately that's where Bernie has considerable strength.
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Post by Marissa on Feb 2, 2020 2:32:08 GMT -5
considering how he's running around telling climate activists to literally vote for someone else you should already write him off. he's absolute trash and he thinks that the DNC is going to hand him the nom because he's all up in the corruption. he is a problem. I meant that you can't count him out. He is undoubtedly trash, but it's not like he's miles behind in any national polls. At least not yet, and part of that is the media not having cared about looking into his horrible past. But at least some people have, and this thread is a good read. ah i gotcha. yeah, i am concerned he will get the nom. cause that's just how things work right now. and if he does, he will not win the general. but i hate to even say that bc it's so easy to speak things into existence. hopefully the resistance movement will overcome. aoc said recently that in any other country she and biden wouldn't be in the same party. it's unreal that's he's even a consideration.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 2, 2020 4:55:12 GMT -5
I don't know exactly how prevelent it was but I still think it's a good example. And the thing with Bernie is that he has actual integrity, which is something that is very appealing not only to those already preaching his ideology. That's fair. It's a good example. I completely agree with you that Bernie's personality is a big driver in his popularity, probably more than his actual policies. Most people in the US just vote based on aesthetics anyway. Unless they're a politics nerd like me, nobody's gonna be researching exactly how a president's stances will actually affect them haha. It's great that people can look at Bernie and see a genuine figure to look up to! I remember an old professor of mine telling me that he thought individual leaders and their personalities are irrelevant in political science discussion because they only reflect broader trends. But I think personality does matter! How ideas (especially ones rejected by the mainstream) are sold to people matters more than the ideas themselves. Fortunately that's where Bernie has considerable strength. Well the thing is that his personality and policies go hand in hand. People see a guy who talks about wanting to improve people's lives, and his policies actually show that, which is almost unheard of! That's the key to his success, being able to talk the talk AND walk the walk. Sometimes things aren't more complicated than that.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 2, 2020 5:22:32 GMT -5
I meant that you can't count him out. He is undoubtedly trash, but it's not like he's miles behind in any national polls. At least not yet, and part of that is the media not having cared about looking into his horrible past. But at least some people have, and this thread is a good read. ah i gotcha. yeah, i am concerned he will get the nom. cause that's just how things work right now. and if he does, he will not win the general. but i hate to even say that bc it's so easy to speak things into existence. hopefully the resistance movement will overcome. aoc said recently that in any other country she and biden wouldn't be in the same party. it's unreal that's he's even a consideration. She was 1000% correct when she said that. The two party system is an absolute joke for a supposed democracy, as if only TWO parties would be enough to represent a country of 350 million people. If anyone believes that, then that person is insane. I'm from Sweden, and of the eight established parties here, six, maaaybe even seven of them would have been placed underneath the Democratic flag if put into an American context. I think that says it all, the Democratic party makes no sense as a concept because it is way too fucking broad.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 4, 2020 7:25:27 GMT -5
ah i gotcha. yeah, i am concerned he will get the nom. cause that's just how things work right now. and if he does, he will not win the general. but i hate to even say that bc it's so easy to speak things into existence. hopefully the resistance movement will overcome. aoc said recently that in any other country she and biden wouldn't be in the same party. it's unreal that's he's even a consideration. She was 1000% correct when she said that. The two party system is an absolute joke for a supposed democracy, as if only TWO parties would be enough to represent a country of 350 million people. If anyone believes that, then that person is insane. I'm from Sweden, and of the eight established parties here, six, maaaybe even seven of them would have been placed underneath the Democratic flag if put into an American context. I think that says it all, the Democratic party makes no sense as a concept because it is way too fucking broad. Absolutely. It's ridiculous that Biden/clinton and sanders/aoc are in the same party. Biden would be part of the right wing in Merkels party right now while sanders/aoc would be in the "green party" here in Germany(they're at a historic high in polls). And its honestly hard for me to put the republican party into german perspective, because I could make a case that parts of the republican party belongs into the "npd" which is a new version of Hitlers old party. And thats not an exaggeration.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 4, 2020 7:58:57 GMT -5
Does Bernie have a real chance? Can't help but feel that people like him just don't make it, or someone will make sure he doesn't.
I expect more of the same like in the UK. Its depressing.
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