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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 5:39:58 GMT -5
I do genuinely feel for the band/Liam like that the sound on the broadcast may have been ruined. Also, the sound guy - whoever it is - probably needs a kick up the arse too, because it's always far too quiet.
I'm not sure if Finsbury was due to being in a populated area, but Jesus Christ, I was about 40 yards from the stage max that night and could hardly here a thing.
It's clear from As It Was that they all, to one extent or the other, had an input into making the albums, so they deserve praise for that. Do yourselves justice when you get up there.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 5:41:13 GMT -5
Oh, the other things has to be the backing vocals.
Lads, pack it in. They're not needed if they're not gonna be done properly. Let the crowd do them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 5:45:29 GMT -5
Rattle and roll
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Post by johnharrison on Jul 1, 2019 6:10:01 GMT -5
Heard a few songs from the Glastonbury gig. I don't like to crictisize fellow musicians, everyone can have a bad performance, it happens. But I can't believe how half harsed this band actually is. And people say "They will get better", but they are f***** trained musicians. You don't just pick a guitar one day an the other you become a session musician. They have the skills. They SHOULD do the job, but still make mistakes on 4 chords songs, AFTER TWO YEARS. WHO SHOWS UP AT GLASTONBURY AND FORGET THE NOTES FOR A SONG LIKE ROLL WITH IT. It's beyond me. As a full time musician myself, I would get fired for far less than that. Don't tell me it's a matter of money, in the music business, if you fuck up, there are 100+ people waiting to take your place for less or even for free. Sorry for ranting so much. It pisses me off to see liam back on form, playing with people that probably don't give a damn. Maybe Liam likes them, i don't know. But man come on... I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't care. I imagine they do. And Mike (the rhythm guitarist) has come out on Twitter and suggested the mix on the broadcast was poor. That may well be the case, and every time I've seen Liam I've not really noticed the band because at the end of the day you're there to see Liam. The band play the songs strictly to the record - which is fine to an extent if you take the above into account. You're there to see LG and not a musical extravaganza. But when they are making mistakes - or even if it's just playing the songs in a different way that simply doesn't work - then it becomes grating after a while. Thing is, Liam can only take it so far. There comes a point when his vocals aren't enough to carry the gig without it sounding like glorified karaoke - something that my mate who I went to see Liam with twice (Amsterdam and Finsbury) in 2018 said. So while I don't expect to see the quality Noel's band serves up, it would be nice to see a bit more conviction and to get rid of these silly mistakes. You are right. The thing is, even if I go to a gig just to see Liam, for the price of the ticket I expect the band to sound ok and play well. The bassist made two terrible mistakes on Wall of Glass in Gasto. If it were Oasis, I would be ok, they are rockstars, it's part of the drugs and alcohol package. But a hired band, i don't want to be harsh really but I don't know them and I don't care, except for them to at least play the parts well. Now, being a musician at this level is hard, I assume they have a lot of work besides just playing for Liam, and maybe they didn't have time to practice much. Well I just don't believe I said this when talking about professionals jeez. Not my problem as a fan, you do the job or you don't, but there shouldn't be nothing in between...
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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 6:14:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't care. I imagine they do. And Mike (the rhythm guitarist) has come out on Twitter and suggested the mix on the broadcast was poor. That may well be the case, and every time I've seen Liam I've not really noticed the band because at the end of the day you're there to see Liam. The band play the songs strictly to the record - which is fine to an extent if you take the above into account. You're there to see LG and not a musical extravaganza. But when they are making mistakes - or even if it's just playing the songs in a different way that simply doesn't work - then it becomes grating after a while. Thing is, Liam can only take it so far. There comes a point when his vocals aren't enough to carry the gig without it sounding like glorified karaoke - something that my mate who I went to see Liam with twice (Amsterdam and Finsbury) in 2018 said. So while I don't expect to see the quality Noel's band serves up, it would be nice to see a bit more conviction and to get rid of these silly mistakes. You are right. The thing is, even if I go to a gig just to see Liam, for the price of the ticket I expect the band to sound ok and play well. The bassist made two terrible mistakes on Wall of Glass in Gasto. If it were Oasis, I would be ok, they are rockstars, it's part of the drugs and alcohol package. But a hired band, i don't want to be harsh really but I don't know them and I don't care, except for them to at least play the parts well. Now, being a musician at this level is hard, I assume they have a lot of work besides just playing for Liam, and maybe they didn't have time to practice much. Well I just don't believe I said this when talking about professionals jeez. Not my problem as a fan, you do the job or you don't, but there shouldn't be nothing in between... Thing is, it wouldn't be. Oasis got slammed as 'pub rock' etc, but they were fucking tight musicians. Noel might be a control freak, but he knew what he wanted and he knew what was needed - and still does - to get that.
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Post by johnharrison on Jul 1, 2019 6:25:55 GMT -5
You are right. The thing is, even if I go to a gig just to see Liam, for the price of the ticket I expect the band to sound ok and play well. The bassist made two terrible mistakes on Wall of Glass in Gasto. If it were Oasis, I would be ok, they are rockstars, it's part of the drugs and alcohol package. But a hired band, i don't want to be harsh really but I don't know them and I don't care, except for them to at least play the parts well. Now, being a musician at this level is hard, I assume they have a lot of work besides just playing for Liam, and maybe they didn't have time to practice much. Well I just don't believe I said this when talking about professionals jeez. Not my problem as a fan, you do the job or you don't, but there shouldn't be nothing in between... Thing is, it wouldn't be. Oasis got slammed as 'pub rock' etc, but they were fucking tight musicians. Noel might be a control freak, but he knew what he wanted and he knew what was needed - and still does - to get that. They did improve a lot as a band after Morning Glory in my opinion. My point was they would sometimes show up drunk or worse don't show up at all, which is not professional but I think the audience knew what they were going for. It's like going to see Pete Doherty, you never know... but if you're a fan, you go see him anyway.
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Post by Gergely on Jul 1, 2019 11:01:58 GMT -5
I think there is some punch lacking, but the most problematic part is the backing vocals. I think they should've made it a priority - it's just dreary.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 1, 2019 11:08:52 GMT -5
The band play the songs strictly to the record. Heard Roll With It played at Glasto, and the rhythm guitarist played the part all wrong. Wrong strumming pattern, weird tempo, no energy... etc.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 11:41:38 GMT -5
The band play the songs strictly to the record. Heard Roll With It played at Glasto, and the rhythm guitarist played the part all wrong. Wrong strumming pattern, weird tempo, no energy... etc. Well that's what I mean. It's not like they're trying to play a different version, but they're just playing (some) songs all wrong. It's not every song and they are generally okay. But okay isn't good enough if the mistakes keep creeping in at the same points all of the time. Liam was in fine voice for every song other than Bold and at the end of the day he's the main attraction, but it's not an excuse for sloppiness.
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Post by MONO on Jul 1, 2019 11:57:52 GMT -5
I think most of the criticism the band receives is not their fault but rather a question of the sound quality of the festival livestream AND that some users here simply don't like some of the musicians no matter how they play. Liam's/the band's 2018 performance at Sziget is really ace, despite some sound problems at the beginning of the broadcast. I doubt their abilities decreased THAT much in the meantime...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 12:15:13 GMT -5
The band play the songs strictly to the record. Heard Roll With It played at Glasto, and the rhythm guitarist played the part all wrong. Wrong strumming pattern, weird tempo, no energy... etc. That's how it'll sound when you've got a totally clean amp because the BBC ignores your instruction to take the output from the distorted amp.
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jul 1, 2019 12:17:50 GMT -5
I've always defended Liam's band (if one cares enough to go through my posts) but Glastonbury was pretty bad, esepcecially Roll With It. Goddamn have some passion, fellas. If not hang it up and let someone else take the gig. If I was Liam (or Debbie) I'd start issuing some ultimatums to the band ASAP.
The one one that I feel has shown improvement is Dan the drummer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 12:22:09 GMT -5
Is there one person to blame here? He decided to leave decisions during the last tour until the break. He then made no changes even though the need for them was pointed out. So we go again.
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Post by freddy838 on Jul 1, 2019 12:35:52 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like a dick but could it just be about bottle? It takes balls to get up on stage in front of tens of thousands and live on TV. If you're nervous trying to play an instrument it must be hard even for the most competent musicians. Only Jay would have had to play in a big stadium band before. He is just not good enough, how he can't play Cigs and Alcohol's intro properly I can't fathom. At most he should be playing just rhythm, for example Columbia was the best performance of the night really and he just has to play C, D and A throughout the whole song I think.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 1, 2019 12:45:42 GMT -5
Liam has constantly been surrounded by fantastic musicians. Noel and Bonehead are brilliant but Guigs supposedly wasn't. However, live he always sounds alright. Andy Bell and Gem are brilliant, too. So he must be able to tell the difference.
Drew is a decent bassist, I'm a big fan of the Babyshambles and he always played well with them and has done well for Liam... he just can't sing.
Mike is a bit beige. He always looks like he's about to shit himself on stage. He looks so nervous. I would hope that he loosens up a bit. As a rythmn he's alright. Does the job.
I don't know enough about drummers to critique Dan. Seems alright.
Jay is cat piss and I don't wish to discuss him any further.
Liam isn't going to get any bigger than he currently is. A GREAT band won't propel him any further, but a decent band is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 12:56:17 GMT -5
Imagine if instead of fuckin in the bushes, A Quick Peep plays and the crowd are confused. But then Andy Bell struts on stage and the crowd goes nuts.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 1, 2019 13:01:39 GMT -5
Can’t disagree with any of this ☝️ I believe Jay was actually sacked during the last tour. Not for his incompetence but because he was cheering on Liverpool whilst they were watching a game. Supporting the vermin is excuse enough to sack someone. He's Ringo's son-in-law FFS. How is it that the two relatives of Ringo that have been in the band have been so diabolical.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 1, 2019 13:02:51 GMT -5
Imagine if instead of fuckin in the bushes, A Quick Peep plays and the crowd are confused. But then Andy Bell struts on stage and the crowd goes nuts. The only reason I'd go nuts for Andy Bell is if he did a public announcement to apologise for writing The Nature Of Reality, Keep The Dream Alive and every single song he has every written for a Gallagher, other thn Turn Up The Sun.
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jul 1, 2019 13:03:48 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like a dick but could it just be about bottle? It takes balls to get up on stage in front of tens of thousands and live on TV. If you're nervous trying to play an instrument it must be hard even for the most competent musicians. Only Jay would have had to play in a big stadium band before. He is just not good enough, how he can't play Cigs and Alcohol's intro properly I can't fathom. At most he should be playing just rhythm, for example Columbia was the best performance of the night really and he just has to play C, D and A throughout the whole song I think. But it's not their first gig with him playing to a huge crowd. There's just no passion, I was hoping they'd find their groove but it's been two years. He needs to gut the band and get new players except for the keyboardist and maybe Dan.
But the bass player and guitarists have to GTFO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 13:11:13 GMT -5
I havnt really had much of a problem with the band up until now but really, listening to Liams set at glastonbury when its sandwiched between all these other great bands etc you really notice how shakey they are really. there is not excuse at this point for things like the poor rock n roll star intro, they have pretty much played it every single time they have done a gig. For a guitarist being paid to tour on this level, I would expect him to be able to play it after an entire tour of playing it. Its simply laughable. Its one thing to make mistakes but to keep botching the same thing over and over just shows that he cant do it.
Im all for letting people find their feet etc but by the second tour, this band should really be much better and they just arnt which might demonstrate that there is a skill problem. For someone like warner brothers, they must have some amazing musicians on call.
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Post by DCUnited on Jul 1, 2019 13:17:49 GMT -5
Imagine if instead of fuckin in the bushes, A Quick Peep plays and the crowd are confused. But then Andy Bell struts on stage and the crowd goes nuts. I'll take it
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Post by DCUnited on Jul 1, 2019 13:18:46 GMT -5
Imagine if instead of fuckin in the bushes, A Quick Peep plays and the crowd are confused. But then Andy Bell struts on stage and the crowd goes nuts. The only reason I'd go nuts for Andy Bell is if he did a public announcement to apologise for writing The Nature Of Reality, Keep The Dream Alive and every single song he has every written for a Gallagher, other thn Turn Up The Sun. I like Keep the Dream Alive.
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Post by Regi on Jul 1, 2019 13:55:02 GMT -5
I havnt really had much of a problem with the band up until now but really, listening to Liams set at glastonbury when its sandwiched between all these other great bands etc you really notice how shakey they are really. there is not excuse at this point for things like the poor rock n roll star intro, they have pretty much played it every single time they have done a gig. For a guitarist being paid to tour on this level, I would expect him to be able to play it after an entire tour of playing it. Its simply laughable. Its one thing to make mistakes but to keep botching the same thing over and over just shows that he cant do it.
Im all for letting people find their feet etc but by the second tour, this band should really be much better and they just arnt which might demonstrate that there is a skill problem. For someone like warner brothers, they must have some amazing musicians on call.
I'm the same, never really had a major issue with the band. I'm no expert on musicianship, but I'm not even sure it is mistakes on Jason Mehler's part. He comes across to me as being lazy and just thinks he is there to try to look cool. I certainly wouldn't be giving him any lead parts to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 17:05:40 GMT -5
Weird that people are still banging on about the band on Saturday when the flat sound has been explained by Mike. Watch that Scottish festival last year and tell me they're totally useless.
In terms of the mistakes, it's not that "the band" is making mistakes. It's the same guy. Every fucking time.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -5
Weird that people are still banging on about the band on Saturday when the flat sound has been explained by Mike. Watch that Scottish festival last year and tell me they're totally useless. In terms of the mistakes, it's not that "the band" is making mistakes. It's the same guy. Every fucking time. I didn't think the sound was that bad. I think you could tell from the mix on the iPlayer that it was just the broadcast. That isn't really what people are criticising. The broadcast sound had nowt to do with the disaster that was Bold (on Liam's part too tbf) like, or whatever the hell that horrid intro to RNS is or even some of the iffy bits in Roll With It. Overall, the gig was good, and not many casual fans will care. Which is fine. The band do work for what Liam needs. But, there has to come a point where they need to start mixing it up just for a bit of variety and unfortunately when they do they don't seem to get it right (bar CS which I actually thought worked well at Glasto, though other people said that when he played it a few weeks back Liam was singing a bit too fast or something?). Suppose it's just the consistency that's the issue. I think they're all excellent musicians in their own right but they just can't seem to string a few really top notch performances together in a row. I don't wanna be a keyboard warrior like cause they're all living my dream, frankly, and probably have more musical talent in their little finger than I do all together. It's just frustrating that it keeps happening, though.
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