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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 8, 2017 23:23:53 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Noel had been thinking about going solo for some time but I don't think he needed to bait Liam into acting in a way that abusive enough for him to finally leave. Konspiracy Korner: All A Part of the Master Plan: It doesn't take THAT much work to set Liam off, does it? Noel is a master manipulator--especially when it comes to Liam, but there are other examples on record over the years of Noel playing people like violins. As for Liam's 'abusive behavior', the accounts have varied from a plum being thrown somewhere, to Liam almost chopping off Noel's head with an axe, to the guitar being smashed was Liam's--a gift from Nicole and wrecked by Noel himself. If we're talking about violent episodes, how 'bout that time Noel broke Liam's foot with a cricket bat? Breaking bones in the foot of a healthy young man takes a little bit of "ooomph" behind swinging that bat. Don't let Noel fool you--he's no gentle little flower. How many members of Oasis walked out with Noel because they were afraid of big bad Liam? Which of the eyewitnesses to the Paris event have come before a microphone and shrieked, "He was a madman! He almost killed Noel!" Look at the events in the months leading up to Paris: Noel did state he wanted to do a solo album and Liam said he "wasn't having it." So much for sending up THAT trial balloon. By this, Noel would have hhad is answer as to whether he could leave the band without a big hassle. (Notably, I don't have the exact dates or who was talking to who on these quotes--but look them up--they're all online from the time of the DOYS tour). On tour, Noel wrote a series of extensive "Tales from the Road" messages to fans--which we ALL lapped up like vodka. I loved it that Noel was talking to us peons. But was he so generous with his time because he wanted to reach out to those of us (like me) who would take a bullet for him? Long history says Our Beloved Chief would sooner put all that time to use with the usual drinking, smoking, and whoring. Why did he choose that particular time frame to communicate so much, KNOWING it would be the perfect vehicle for him to drop his bombshell at just the right moment? Everyone all tuned in to him, sympathetic toward him, all primed and ready for him? So Noel has his big diva walkabout, the big statement zipping out like a laser beam. Meanwhile, here is Liam, looking like an idiot, getting bad press, boos, and hisses like Hitler's kid brother. Not to say it's hard to make Liam look like an idiot. And Liam is no angel, either. He's not a boy for a girl to take home to meet her mother. He's not sitting with the honor students. He has abominable manners, a bad thyroid, psoriasis, and plenty of warts. But could he plan what I've described here? Absolutely not. Could Noel? Without a doubt, yes. And yes, I do have extra time on my hands tonight. But do the math, too, as scholars of all things Oasis . . . . The only thing I disagree with here is, I hate vodka.
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Post by discworld on Nov 9, 2017 0:03:48 GMT -5
If we continue, Noel planned to be assaulted on stage by an unknown person , to stay alone in pain and to take painkillers during the tour.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 9, 2017 0:24:22 GMT -5
If we continue, Noel planned to be assaulted on stage by an unknown person , to stay alone in pain and to take painkillers during the tour. Not unknown, his name is Daniel Sullivan. Yeah Noel struggled during the tour after that. Come on bro, I was there that night. Noel was a super trooper of the highest order for coming back out. Much respect. Maybe he should have just canceled the balance of the dates. No one would have questioned his judgement. That was his call.
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Post by discworld on Nov 9, 2017 1:21:54 GMT -5
If we continue, Noel planned to be assaulted on stage by an unknown person , to stay alone in pain and to take painkillers during the tour. Not unknown, his name is Daniel Sullivan. Yeah Noel struggled during the tour after that. Come on bro, I was there that night. Noel was a super trooper of the highest order for coming back out. Much respect. Maybe he should have just canceled the balance of the dates. No one would have questioned his judgement. That was his call. I mean Noel didn't know the guy at the time of the assault.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Nov 9, 2017 2:05:42 GMT -5
If we continue, Noel planned to be assaulted on stage by an unknown person , to stay alone in pain and to take painkillers during the tour. Not unknown, his name is Daniel Sullivan. Yeah Noel struggled during the tour after that. Come on bro, I was there that night. Noel was a super trooper of the highest order for coming back out. Much respect. Maybe he should have just canceled the balance of the dates. No one would have questioned his judgement. That was his call. I admire The Chief for soldiering on in spite of his broken ribs. He is made of stern stuff, and tough as an old oak tree (another reason I don't believe him to have been fearful of Liam). But Danny Sullivan has nothing to do with the observations I just made. Sullivan did his mischief only a few weeks into the tour--the imbroglio with Liam was at the end of it, several months later. IMHO, Sullivan got off much too easy--he deserved a lot worse than the slap on the wrist he got: Just put him in a room with a couple of devout Oasis fans (especially from Manchester) and he would have gotten his just desserts. No, Sullivan was not a part of Noel's plan--but he certainly didn't help the situation. We would have all been very understanding had Noel chosen to cancel the tour. I worried about him for the duration of the tour and felt he would have been better off at home letting Sara fuss over him. But--as you said--it was Noel's call to make and he's also got his Manchester Hard Man stubbornness going on. Injured ribs are very painful and linger on for a long time. Maybe it was a factor in putting Noel in the mood to leave the band. And Liam could drive the Pope himself howling crazy--Noel has been a saint to put up with it as long as he has. My sole point here is that I don't believe Noel suddenly snapped and bailed on the band and the fans just because Liam was acting out. Rather than things deteriorating to the point that they did in August 2009, I'd rather have seen Noel announce that he would make solo records and tour them according to the dictates of his health and his musical muses--and leave the options open with Oasis so he could come and go as he pleased.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 9, 2017 2:34:50 GMT -5
Not unknown, his name is Daniel Sullivan. Yeah Noel struggled during the tour after that. Come on bro, I was there that night. Noel was a super trooper of the highest order for coming back out. Much respect. Maybe he should have just canceled the balance of the dates. No one would have questioned his judgement. That was his call. I admire The Chief for soldiering on in spite of his broken ribs. He is made of stern stuff, and tough as an old oak tree (another reason I don't believe him to have been fearful of Liam). But Danny Sullivan has nothing to do with the observations I just made. Sullivan did his mischief only a few weeks into the tour--the imbroglio with Liam was at the end of it, several months later. IMHO, Sullivan got off much too easy--he deserved a lot worse than the slap on the wrist he got: Just put him in a room with a couple of devout Oasis fans (especially from Manchester) and he would have gotten his just desserts. No, Sullivan was not a part of Noel's plan--but he certainly didn't help the situation. We would have all been very understanding had Noel chosen to cancel the tour. I worried about him for the duration of the tour and felt he would have been better off at home letting Sara fuss over him. But--as you said--it was Noel's call to make and he's also got his Manchester Hard Man stubbornness going on. Injured ribs are very painful and linger on for a long time. Maybe it was a factor in putting Noel in the mood to leave the band. And Liam could drive the Pope himself howling crazy--Noel has been a saint to put up with it as long as he has. My sole point here is that I don't believe Noel suddenly snapped and bailed on the band and the fans just because Liam was acting out. cigarsinhell You are preaching to the choir here. I was responding to this other chap, who seemed to be trying connect the attack to the break up. I don't buy it. Keep in mind, the only thing I didn't agree with in your earlier post, was I don't like vodka. Strictly a bourbon guy here mate
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Post by supernovastar94 on Nov 9, 2017 2:35:00 GMT -5
Not unknown, his name is Daniel Sullivan. Yeah Noel struggled during the tour after that. Come on bro, I was there that night. Noel was a super trooper of the highest order for coming back out. Much respect. Maybe he should have just canceled the balance of the dates. No one would have questioned his judgement. That was his call. I admire The Chief for soldiering on in spite of his broken ribs. He is made of stern stuff, and tough as an old oak tree (another reason I don't believe him to have been fearful of Liam). But Danny Sullivan has nothing to do with the observations I just made. Sullivan did his mischief only a few weeks into the tour--the imbroglio with Liam was at the end of it, several months later. IMHO, Sullivan got off much too easy--he deserved a lot worse than the slap on the wrist he got: Just put him in a room with a couple of devout Oasis fans (especially from Manchester) and he would have gotten his just desserts. No, Sullivan was not a part of Noel's plan--but he certainly didn't help the situation. We would have all been very understanding had Noel chosen to cancel the tour. I worried about him for the duration of the tour and felt he would have been better off at home letting Sara fuss over him. But--as you said--it was Noel's call to make and he's also got his Manchester Hard Man stubbornness going on. Injured ribs are very painful and linger on for a long time. Maybe it was a factor in putting Noel in the mood to leave the band. And Liam could drive the Pope himself howling crazy--Noel has been a saint to put up with it as long as he has. My sole point here is that I don't believe Noel suddenly snapped and bailed on the band and the fans just because Liam was acting out. This has been discussed a lot in other thread recently, but here's my take again. I don't agree with the conspiracy theory that all was a "Masterplan" from Noel to quit the band and make Liam look bad. To my eyes, it is much simpler than that. So my theory is: Noel was fed up with the touring life, with Oasis, with the lifestyle that goes with it. The Toronto assault had a lot to do with it of course, so here he was, feeling miserable, in pain, maybe a bit paranoid too, while he had a girlfriend he loves and a new baby back home. His relationship with Liam was not good, Noel was obviously pissed that Liam left the DOYS sessions to get married, and Liam was being his usual self on tour, drinking too much, not taking care of his voice, insulting Noel. All this I think there's little doubt about it, see Liam's twitter, I don't have a doubt he said a lot of things to Noel's face through the years. The things is, I really believe Liam didn't mean any harm. It's just how he is, specially when drunk. Of course, Liam says the Paris bust up and the previous months weren't any different that the years before, and I really believe that. The thing is Noel had changed. While in the 90's he could put up with that and more, and maybe wind up Liam even more, now he simply was not having it. He felt older, miserable, cranky, trapped, whatever you want to call it, and on top of that he had Liam bothering him time and time again, he probably thought "why should I put up with this any longer when I could be home?" Regarding the blog, I just think Noel was telling it the way he saw and felt things. He didn't like the way Liam was behaving with him, which was the same way as usual, but Noel didn't like it anymore. He probably felt that everybody needed to change too, to "mature" the way he felt he had matured. Of course, that was probably wrong of him to expect that, but I don't think he is to blame also. People change, it's ok, you enjoy some things, and then you don't. You want some things, then you don't. Paris was probably the last straw, even if it was a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but Noel probably felt too frustrated and couldn't carry on. On the other hand, of course Liam thinks it was all a trap and a conspiracy. How could he admit it was his behaviour that meant the end of the band when he had always been like that (or worst) and nothing happened? And I think he's not to blame either. As he says, he misses "the old Noel", the one that probably laughed at all his "banter" and didn't take things too seriously. But Noel changed, he didn't, and that's the way it is. Well that's my two cents. Of course, many don't agree with this, but we will never know the definite truth either way....
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 9, 2017 2:45:41 GMT -5
I admire The Chief for soldiering on in spite of his broken ribs. He is made of stern stuff, and tough as an old oak tree (another reason I don't believe him to have been fearful of Liam). But Danny Sullivan has nothing to do with the observations I just made. Sullivan did his mischief only a few weeks into the tour--the imbroglio with Liam was at the end of it, several months later. IMHO, Sullivan got off much too easy--he deserved a lot worse than the slap on the wrist he got: Just put him in a room with a couple of devout Oasis fans (especially from Manchester) and he would have gotten his just desserts. No, Sullivan was not a part of Noel's plan--but he certainly didn't help the situation. We would have all been very understanding had Noel chosen to cancel the tour. I worried about him for the duration of the tour and felt he would have been better off at home letting Sara fuss over him. But--as you said--it was Noel's call to make and he's also got his Manchester Hard Man stubbornness going on. Injured ribs are very painful and linger on for a long time. Maybe it was a factor in putting Noel in the mood to leave the band. And Liam could drive the Pope himself howling crazy--Noel has been a saint to put up with it as long as he has. My sole point here is that I don't believe Noel suddenly snapped and bailed on the band and the fans just because Liam was acting out. This has been discussed a lot in other thread recently, but here's my take again. I don't agree with the conspiracy theory that all was a "Masterplan" from Noel to quit the band and make Liam look bad. To my eyes, it is much simpler than that. So my theory is: Noel was fed up with the touring life, with Oasis, with the lifestyle that goes with it. The Toronto assault had a lot to do with it of course, so here he was, feeling miserable, in pain, maybe a bit paranoid too, while he had a girlfriend he loves and a new baby back home. His relationship with Liam was not good, Noel was obviously pissed that Liam left the DOYS sessions to get married, and Liam was being his usual self on tour, drinking too much, not taking care of his voice, insulting Noel. All this I think there's little doubt about it, see Liam's twitter, I don't have a doubt he said a lot of things to Noel's face through the years. The things is, I really believe Liam didn't mean any harm. It's just how he is, specially when drunk. Of course, Liam says the Paris bust up and the previous months weren't any different that the years before, and I really believe that. The thing is Noel had changed. While in the 90's he could put up with that and more, and maybe wind up Liam even more, now he simply was not having it. He felt older, miserable, cranky, trapped, whatever you want to call it, and on top of that he had Liam bothering him time and time again, he probably thought "why should I put up with this any longer when I could be home?" Regarding the blog, I just think Noel was telling it the way he saw and felt things. He didn't like the way Liam was behaving with him, which was the same way as usual, but Noel didn't like it anymore. He probably felt that everybody needed to change too, to "mature" the way he felt he had matured. Of course, that was probably wrong of him to expect that, but I don't think he is to blame also. People change, it's ok, you enjoy some things, and then you don't. You want some things, then you don't. Paris was probably the last straw, even if it was a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but Noel probably felt too frustrated and couldn't carry on. On the other hand, of course Liam thinks it was all a trap and a conspiracy. How could he admit it was his behaviour that meant the end of the band when he had always been like that (or worst) and nothing happened? And I think he's not to blame either. As he says, he misses "the old Noel", the one that probably laughed at all his "banter" and didn't take things too seriously. But Noel changed, he didn't, and that's the way it is. Well that's my two cents. Of course, many don't agree with this, but we will never know the definite truth either way.... This is a sensible, well thought out position which deserves consideration, that being said, I do believe Noel had prior intentions to leave.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Nov 9, 2017 3:06:12 GMT -5
This has been discussed a lot in other thread recently, but here's my take again. I don't agree with the conspiracy theory that all was a "Masterplan" from Noel to quit the band and make Liam look bad. To my eyes, it is much simpler than that. So my theory is: Noel was fed up with the touring life, with Oasis, with the lifestyle that goes with it. The Toronto assault had a lot to do with it of course, so here he was, feeling miserable, in pain, maybe a bit paranoid too, while he had a girlfriend he loves and a new baby back home. His relationship with Liam was not good, Noel was obviously pissed that Liam left the DOYS sessions to get married, and Liam was being his usual self on tour, drinking too much, not taking care of his voice, insulting Noel. All this I think there's little doubt about it, see Liam's twitter, I don't have a doubt he said a lot of things to Noel's face through the years. The things is, I really believe Liam didn't mean any harm. It's just how he is, specially when drunk. Of course, Liam says the Paris bust up and the previous months weren't any different that the years before, and I really believe that. The thing is Noel had changed. While in the 90's he could put up with that and more, and maybe wind up Liam even more, now he simply was not having it. He felt older, miserable, cranky, trapped, whatever you want to call it, and on top of that he had Liam bothering him time and time again, he probably thought "why should I put up with this any longer when I could be home?" Regarding the blog, I just think Noel was telling it the way he saw and felt things. He didn't like the way Liam was behaving with him, which was the same way as usual, but Noel didn't like it anymore. He probably felt that everybody needed to change too, to "mature" the way he felt he had matured. Of course, that was probably wrong of him to expect that, but I don't think he is to blame also. People change, it's ok, you enjoy some things, and then you don't. You want some things, then you don't. Paris was probably the last straw, even if it was a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but Noel probably felt too frustrated and couldn't carry on. On the other hand, of course Liam thinks it was all a trap and a conspiracy. How could he admit it was his behaviour that meant the end of the band when he had always been like that (or worst) and nothing happened? And I think he's not to blame either. As he says, he misses "the old Noel", the one that probably laughed at all his "banter" and didn't take things too seriously. But Noel changed, he didn't, and that's the way it is. Well that's my two cents. Of course, many don't agree with this, but we will never know the definite truth either way.... This is a sensible, well thought out position which deserves consideration, that being said, I do believe Noel had prior intentions to leave. Noel once described himself as a "happy drunk" and Liam as a "mean drunk," which certainly fit the patterns we've always seen out of them. I think you've made an excellent that Liam was likely being his usual drunken obnoxious self and was/is still in shock that "his" Noely-G became different and got tired of a lot of things Liam was still " 'avin' ". I really wish they could just go to a pub and talk it all out. If they can't be bandmates, maybe they could just be brothers, and take all this stress off their mother and their children.
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Post by mockba08 on Nov 9, 2017 3:47:05 GMT -5
Sort of a pot calling the kettle black situation. Neither of these blokes is exactly Mr. Congeniality by nature. To tell you the truth--in my humble opinion--Noel and Liam have trouble getting along because they're JUST ALIKE. Both alpha males, both love Man City, love the Beatles, love the booze and smokes, love the ladies. And that alpha male thang gets tough because they BOTH want to be The Man. I see no evidence that Noel ever does anything on impulse--I think he DID talk to guys like Marr and Weller on How Do I Ditch My Band, I think he planned exactly when and where it would happen, and baiting Liam into a tussle is child's play for Noel. Liam says he walked into a trap and I believe him--he should have known better. Noel had that "with great relief and some sadness" blurb prepped well in advance. I love both brothers but Noel is a HELL of a lot smarter and more manipulative. I'm not saying I'm the psychiatrist to either of these blokes, but I've been watching this same crap out of them both since 1994. I disagree, I think they're very different characters. As Noel said in the supersonic film, he's more of a cat and Liam a dog. Noel admits he's a bit of a loner at times, Liam is somebody who's got to be with someone and out and about. I'm a similar character to Noel and the thought of being with a character like Liam for long periods would do my tits in. Small doses yes - continual - no.
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 9, 2017 3:47:33 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Noel had been thinking about going solo for some time but I don't think he needed to bait Liam into acting in a way that abusive enough for him to finally leave. Konspiracy Korner: All A Part of the Master Plan: It doesn't take THAT much work to set Liam off, does it? Noel is a master manipulator--especially when it comes to Liam, but there are other examples on record over the years of Noel playing people like violins. As for Liam's 'abusive behavior', the accounts have varied from a plum being thrown somewhere, to Liam almost chopping off Noel's head with an axe, to the guitar being smashed was Liam's--a gift from Nicole and wrecked by Noel himself. If we're talking about violent episodes, how 'bout that time Noel broke Liam's foot with a cricket bat? Breaking bones in the foot of a healthy young man takes a little bit of "ooomph" behind swinging that bat. Don't let Noel fool you--he's no gentle little flower. How many members of Oasis walked out with Noel because they were afraid of big bad Liam? Which of the eyewitnesses to the Paris event have come before a microphone and shrieked, "He was a madman! He almost killed Noel!" Look at the events in the months leading up to Paris: Noel did state he wanted to do a solo album and Liam said he "wasn't having it." So much for sending up THAT trial balloon. By this, Noel would have hhad is answer as to whether he could leave the band without a big hassle. (Notably, I don't have the exact dates or who was talking to who on these quotes--but look them up--they're all online from the time of the DOYS tour). On tour, Noel wrote a series of extensive "Tales from the Road" messages to fans--which we ALL lapped up like vodka. I loved it that Noel was talking to us peons. But was he so generous with his time because he wanted to reach out to those of us (like me) who would take a bullet for him? Long history says Our Beloved Chief would sooner put all that time to use with the usual drinking, smoking, and whoring. Why did he choose that particular time frame to communicate so much, KNOWING it would be the perfect vehicle for him to drop his bombshell at just the right moment? Everyone all tuned in to him, sympathetic toward him, all primed and ready for him? So Noel has his big diva walkabout, the big statement zipping out like a laser beam. Meanwhile, here is Liam, looking like an idiot, getting bad press, boos, and hisses like Hitler's kid brother. Not to say it's hard to make Liam look like an idiot. And Liam is no angel, either. He's not a boy for a girl to take home to meet her mother. He's not sitting with the honor students. He has abominable manners, a bad thyroid, psoriasis, and plenty of warts. But could he plan what I've described here? Absolutely not. Could Noel? Without a doubt, yes. And yes, I do have extra time on my hands tonight. But do the math, too, as scholars of all things Oasis . . . . Illuminati confirmed
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Nov 9, 2017 6:07:53 GMT -5
Are those 'conspiracy' theories for real? Gosh, I find that ridiculous, Im sorry.
Noel is a grown man and was the leader of Oasis in every possible aspect. If he wanted to leave the band, he would tell the others and that was it. Like his solo gigs back with Gem, he didnt need to ask Liam's permission, he would just go and do it.
To think he planned to get a guitar thrown at him and to leave before a gig is absurd.His speech has always been consistent, he couldnt stand another day with Liam. He wanted to go solo because he couldnt stand Liam.
And look now. He's got his mates from Oasis back in his band right? And Liam's been acting like an obssessed child picking at his brother at every possible chance.
Is it easier to believe Noel had enough of mr twitter-guitar-smasher-with-angry-issues or that he plotted the whole thing to have a way less successful carreer as a solo artist?
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Post by supernovastar94 on Nov 9, 2017 9:55:26 GMT -5
This is a sensible, well thought out position which deserves consideration, that being said, I do believe Noel had prior intentions to leave.Noel once described himself as a "happy drunk" and Liam as a "mean drunk," which certainly fit the patterns we've always seen out of them. I think you've made an excellent that Liam was likely being his usual drunken obnoxious self and was/is still in shock that "his" Noely-G became different and got tired of a lot of things Liam was still " 'avin' ". I really wish they could just go to a pub and talk it all out. If they can't be bandmates, maybe they could just be brothers, and take all this stress off their mother and their children. I think he had definitely thought about it for a long time. His blog was practically him screaming that he wanted out and was not enjoying it. But I believe he just wanted to see the tour through, go away for a while and maybe things would settle down and everything would calm down. But the no-show at the V Festival really seemed to upset Noel, so things were on boiling point really at that time. On the other point, yeah I wish so too. I don't have any hopes left really for the band reuniting, but wish they could sort it out. However, I do believe Liam's twitter tirade, as good PR as it is and amusing for everyone, has done a lot more damage in their relationship.
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Post by neila83 on Nov 9, 2017 9:59:18 GMT -5
I admire The Chief for soldiering on in spite of his broken ribs. He is made of stern stuff, and tough as an old oak tree (another reason I don't believe him to have been fearful of Liam). But Danny Sullivan has nothing to do with the observations I just made. Sullivan did his mischief only a few weeks into the tour--the imbroglio with Liam was at the end of it, several months later. IMHO, Sullivan got off much too easy--he deserved a lot worse than the slap on the wrist he got: Just put him in a room with a couple of devout Oasis fans (especially from Manchester) and he would have gotten his just desserts. No, Sullivan was not a part of Noel's plan--but he certainly didn't help the situation. We would have all been very understanding had Noel chosen to cancel the tour. I worried about him for the duration of the tour and felt he would have been better off at home letting Sara fuss over him. But--as you said--it was Noel's call to make and he's also got his Manchester Hard Man stubbornness going on. Injured ribs are very painful and linger on for a long time. Maybe it was a factor in putting Noel in the mood to leave the band. And Liam could drive the Pope himself howling crazy--Noel has been a saint to put up with it as long as he has. My sole point here is that I don't believe Noel suddenly snapped and bailed on the band and the fans just because Liam was acting out. This has been discussed a lot in other thread recently, but here's my take again. I don't agree with the conspiracy theory that all was a "Masterplan" from Noel to quit the band and make Liam look bad. To my eyes, it is much simpler than that. So my theory is: Noel was fed up with the touring life, with Oasis, with the lifestyle that goes with it. The Toronto assault had a lot to do with it of course, so here he was, feeling miserable, in pain, maybe a bit paranoid too, while he had a girlfriend he loves and a new baby back home. His relationship with Liam was not good, Noel was obviously pissed that Liam left the DOYS sessions to get married, and Liam was being his usual self on tour, drinking too much, not taking care of his voice, insulting Noel. All this I think there's little doubt about it, see Liam's twitter, I don't have a doubt he said a lot of things to Noel's face through the years. The things is, I really believe Liam didn't mean any harm. It's just how he is, specially when drunk. Of course, Liam says the Paris bust up and the previous months weren't any different that the years before, and I really believe that. The thing is Noel had changed. While in the 90's he could put up with that and more, and maybe wind up Liam even more, now he simply was not having it. He felt older, miserable, cranky, trapped, whatever you want to call it, and on top of that he had Liam bothering him time and time again, he probably thought "why should I put up with this any longer when I could be home?" Regarding the blog, I just think Noel was telling it the way he saw and felt things. He didn't like the way Liam was behaving with him, which was the same way as usual, but Noel didn't like it anymore. He probably felt that everybody needed to change too, to "mature" the way he felt he had matured. Of course, that was probably wrong of him to expect that, but I don't think he is to blame also. People change, it's ok, you enjoy some things, and then you don't. You want some things, then you don't. Paris was probably the last straw, even if it was a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but Noel probably felt too frustrated and couldn't carry on. On the other hand, of course Liam thinks it was all a trap and a conspiracy. How could he admit it was his behaviour that meant the end of the band when he had always been like that (or worst) and nothing happened? And I think he's not to blame either. As he says, he misses "the old Noel", the one that probably laughed at all his "banter" and didn't take things too seriously. But Noel changed, he didn't, and that's the way it is. Well that's my two cents. Of course, many don't agree with this, but we will never know the definite truth either way.... Very well said, hard to argue with any of that. Something I really don't get, is the idea that if Noel spoke to Marr and Weller about it, it proves some huge conspiracy. WTF? How paranoid do you have to be. They are his friends. He was in a stage where he clearly hated his job. This is what normal people do isn't it, if you're unhappy you talk to your friends? Especially friends who've been in similar situations and can offer advice. It'd be bizarre if he didn't talk to people. I think Noel really doesn't get enough respect for carrying on with that tour (and gig even) after that assault. Some people here are quick to hate on him, he took a lot of pain to tour that year. And clearly was not mentally well after it either. And if Liam kept on acting up, not turning up for rehearsals etc. and then giving frankly embarrassing performances while Noel was going through that, it's no wonder it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 9, 2017 10:01:41 GMT -5
Are those 'conspiracy' theories for real? Gosh, I find that ridiculous, Im sorry. Noel is a grown man and was the leader of Oasis in every possible aspect. If he wanted to leave the band, he would tell the others and that was it. Like his solo gigs back with Gem, he didnt need to ask Liam's permission, he would just go and do it. To think he planned to get a guitar thrown at him and to leave before a gig is absurd.His speech has always been consistent, he couldnt stand another day with Liam. He wanted to go solo because he couldnt stand Liam. And look now. He's got his mates from Oasis back in his band right? And Liam's been acting like an obssessed child picking at his brother at every possible chance. Is it easier to believe Noel had enough of mr twitter-guitar-smasher-with-angry-issues or that he plotted the whole thing to have a way less successful carreer as a solo artist? This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Nov 9, 2017 10:02:25 GMT -5
Are those 'conspiracy' theories for real? Gosh, I find that ridiculous, Im sorry. Noel is a grown man and was the leader of Oasis in every possible aspect. If he wanted to leave the band, he would tell the others and that was it. Like his solo gigs back with Gem, he didnt need to ask Liam's permission, he would just go and do it. To think he planned to get a guitar thrown at him and to leave before a gig is absurd.His speech has always been consistent, he couldnt stand another day with Liam. He wanted to go solo because he couldnt stand Liam. And look now. He's got his mates from Oasis back in his band right? And Liam's been acting like an obssessed child picking at his brother at every possible chance. Is it easier to believe Noel had enough of mr twitter-guitar-smasher-with-angry-issues or that he plotted the whole thing to have a way less successful carreer as a solo artist? This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat. Outside Tesco
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Post by cigarsinhell on Nov 9, 2017 10:18:18 GMT -5
This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat. Outside Tesco I'd be very surprised if Noel got into close enough proximity to Liam to allow his truculent little brother to break his foot with a cricket bat. Liam certainly doesn't endear himself to Noel by tweeting insults at Noel's wife and daughter, and it doesn't appear that Liam has the insight to realize it.
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Post by pedrobrasil on Nov 9, 2017 10:28:20 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if Noel got into close enough proximity to Liam to allow his truculent little brother to break his foot with a cricket bat. Liam certainly doesn't endear himself to Noel by tweeting insults at Noel's wife and daughter, and it doesn't appear that Liam has the insight to realize it. Liam never tweet anything about Noel's daughter.But she already did about Liam a few times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 10:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 9, 2017 10:36:34 GMT -5
They both should be going to family counseling.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Nov 9, 2017 11:31:26 GMT -5
Are those 'conspiracy' theories for real? Gosh, I find that ridiculous, Im sorry. Noel is a grown man and was the leader of Oasis in every possible aspect. If he wanted to leave the band, he would tell the others and that was it. Like his solo gigs back with Gem, he didnt need to ask Liam's permission, he would just go and do it. To think he planned to get a guitar thrown at him and to leave before a gig is absurd.His speech has always been consistent, he couldnt stand another day with Liam. He wanted to go solo because he couldnt stand Liam. And look now. He's got his mates from Oasis back in his band right? And Liam's been acting like an obssessed child picking at his brother at every possible chance. Is it easier to believe Noel had enough of mr twitter-guitar-smasher-with-angry-issues or that he plotted the whole thing to have a way less successful carreer as a solo artist? This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat. Oh, Im sorry. According to Noel words "Liam was swinging an acoustic guitar like an axe and nearly took of his face". Much lighter than my version, I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 11:55:24 GMT -5
This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat. Oh, Im sorry. According to Noel words "Liam was swinging an acoustic guitar like an axe and nearly took of his face". Much lighter than my version, I apologize. Noel never over exaggerates.
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Post by MSprague01 on Nov 9, 2017 12:02:35 GMT -5
I could be wrong but Liam seems to exhibit dependent behaviour as far as I can see. Noel not as much as he was able to kick the hard stuff cold turkey. Not true according to reverand and the makers... What did reverend and the makers say?
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 9, 2017 12:13:18 GMT -5
This story keeps growing and growing. By next year it'll be Liam breaking his foot with a cricket bat. Oh, Im sorry. According to Noel words "Liam was swinging an acoustic guitar like an axe and nearly took of his face". Much lighter than my version, I apologize. He also said he took the guitar and broke it himself. Rather easy to fend off the savage attack he describes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 12:14:05 GMT -5
Everybody needs to get the fuck off of social media. Follow my lead humanity, or Noel's, he knows the score, lets his minions maintain a presence for marketing purposes but he understands what absolute figurative cancer it is. Come back to reality!
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