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Post by batfink30 on Aug 12, 2017 9:43:18 GMT -5
Realistically In today's current music charts Liams album is going to die. IMO FWIW is just awful but I really don't mind Chinatown or Wall of Glass or most of the other tracks. There's nothing amazing or stand out though, nothing thats really going to sell the album. Perhaps 20 years ago but not today,its Beady Eye standard and will sink after a couple of weeks in the top 10. Liams not a songwriter and never will be, he should collaborated or looked at something different.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 12, 2017 9:49:29 GMT -5
Realistically In today's current music charts Liams album is going to die. IMO FWIW is just awful but I really don't mind Chinatown or Wall of Glass or most of the other tracks. There's nothing amazing or stand out though, nothing thats really going to sell the album. Perhaps 20 years ago but not today,its Beady Eye standard and will sink after a couple of weeks in the top 10. Liams not a songwriter and never will be, he should collaborated or looked at something different. I reckon if Bold and Paper Crown are given the treatment they deserve they could be absolute belters. I know a lot of people like Greedy Soul too so that might be good.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 12, 2017 10:35:27 GMT -5
Realistically In today's current music charts Liams album is going to die. IMO FWIW is just awful but I really don't mind Chinatown or Wall of Glass or most of the other tracks. There's nothing amazing or stand out though, nothing thats really going to sell the album. Perhaps 20 years ago but not today,its Beady Eye standard and will sink after a couple of weeks in the top 10. Liams not a songwriter and never will be, he should collaborated or looked at something different. I reckon if Bold and Paper Crown are given the treatment they deserve they could be absolute belters. I know a lot of people like Greedy Soul too so that might be good. I like Greedy Soul more than either of the two. The "lay it on me" part in Bold is blarghhhh.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 12, 2017 10:58:02 GMT -5
I reckon if Bold and Paper Crown are given the treatment they deserve they could be absolute belters. I know a lot of people like Greedy Soul too so that might be good. I like Greedy Soul more than either of the two. The "lay it on me" part in Bold is blarghhhh. I love that bit, particularly when the drums come in with those little guitar scrapes.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 12, 2017 11:24:52 GMT -5
I like Greedy Soul more than either of the two. The "lay it on me" part in Bold is blarghhhh. I love that bit, particularly when the drums come in with those little guitar scrapes. Maybe I didn't hear it well. But it came off as repetitive and a little too long.
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Post by thestylecouncil on Aug 12, 2017 12:13:19 GMT -5
I really like the song, gets better with every listen! Of course you always have a first impression but I'm still surprised when people say they only listened once or twice and still they're already judging. Give it a few more spins and it might grow on you if you're not convinced yet I need to add that Liam's vocals really make the song and this is not me slagging the tune off as I really like it, it's me pointing out how special Liam's voice still is. When I hear a brandnew Liam sung tune for the first time and his vocals kick in - it does something to me nothing else can! It's always been like that whether it was Oasis, Beady Eye or now his solo tunes - even all these brilliant Oasis tunes from the 90s would be only half as good without Liam's voice imo. Blows my mind how talented Noel and Liam are at their own craft, that their abilities are so complementary and that they happen to be brothers! Oasis just ticked all the boxes when it comes to both music and providing some sort of emotional connection/backstory. Of course Liam having all that charisma and swagger helps as well
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 12, 2017 12:18:56 GMT -5
I gave it a four after a few listens. I find it really cheesy and predictable, it's The Beat Goes On Part 2. Oh Lordy. Its not on that level of bad. Few things are......................Kill For A Dream..........................Keep The Dream Alive...........................................
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Post by glider on Aug 12, 2017 12:26:52 GMT -5
It's not as bad as people make it out but it's not a particularly 'really good' song. I just wonder why Liam said it sounds like a Be Here Now era Oasis ballad when it's sounds like it could've been on Don't Believe the Truth.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 12, 2017 12:39:02 GMT -5
I'm very surprised at the reception the song is getting. Critics seem to be praising it, many fans of Liam seem to be calling it lackluster.
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Post by oasis6 on Aug 12, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Oh Lordy. Its not on that level of bad. Few things are......................Kill For A Dream..........................Keep The Dream Alive........................................... I don't even remember how Kill For A Dream sounds like, the last time I listened to it was probably in 2011. Sounds like Rockstar by Nickelback
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 12, 2017 13:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 12, 2017 13:18:41 GMT -5
Oh Lordy. Its not on that level of bad. Few things are......................Kill For A Dream..........................Keep The Dream Alive........................................... I don't even remember how Kill For A Dream sounds like, the last time I listened to it was probably in 2011. The early reports and reviews for DGSS all claimed Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On were the clear highlights and very much in the Oasis spirit. Shit, I guess I was listening to a different Oasis growing up. Those are just reflections of what an Oasis inspired song might sound like. Except the guys in Beady Eye were in Oasis.
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Post by mouth on Aug 12, 2017 13:19:07 GMT -5
It's not as bad as people make it out but it's not a particularly 'really good' song. I just wonder why Liam said it sounds like a Be Here Now era Oasis ballad when it's sounds like it could've been on Don't Believe the Truth. it actually sounds as if it was taken directly from one of the beady eye albums, which makes it even worse.
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 12, 2017 13:24:43 GMT -5
sounds like Embrace on morphine , man
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Post by oasisserbia on Aug 12, 2017 13:27:14 GMT -5
A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 12, 2017 13:28:01 GMT -5
Realistically In today's current music charts Liams album is going to die. IMO FWIW is just awful but I really don't mind Chinatown or Wall of Glass or most of the other tracks. There's nothing amazing or stand out though, nothing thats really going to sell the album. Perhaps 20 years ago but not today,its Beady Eye standard and will sink after a couple of weeks in the top 10. Liams not a songwriter and never will be, he should collaborated or looked at something different. I tend to agree. I really don't get the determination to force Liam into being classed as a songwriter. He isn't. He's a singer, he's never done anything to suggest he should be writing albums. It's so blindingly obvious what he should be doing that I'm really at a loss why they're pursuing this dead end. It's a complete waste of his most unique and valuable asset to be putting him on soppy ballads way up out of his range. The first part of the chorus sounds like a computer singing (because it is), what's the point? The album will get number 1 in the UK and then go nowhere. Maybe that's all he needs to feel OK though, if so, fair enough. But there is the potential for him to so something utterly incredible by doing a collaborations album, imagine an album of song like Scorpio Rising! It would be biblical to use the man's own words. This is why some people get down on the song I think, it just encapsulates the completely wasted opportunity this album is, and that frankly nothing particularly has been learned. Who on earth wants to hear Liam singing Adele songs?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 12, 2017 13:37:46 GMT -5
Realistically In today's current music charts Liams album is going to die. IMO FWIW is just awful but I really don't mind Chinatown or Wall of Glass or most of the other tracks. There's nothing amazing or stand out though, nothing thats really going to sell the album. Perhaps 20 years ago but not today,its Beady Eye standard and will sink after a couple of weeks in the top 10. Liams not a songwriter and never will be, he should collaborated or looked at something different. I tend to agree. I really don't get the determination to force Liam into being classed as a songwriter. He isn't. He's a singer, he's never done anything to suggest he should be writing albums. It's so blindingly obvious what he should be doing that I'm really at a loss why they're pursuing this dead end. It's a complete waste of his most unique and valuable asset to be putting him on soppy ballads way up out of his range. The first part of the chorus sounds like a computer singing (because it is), what's the point? The album will get number 1 in the UK and then go nowhere. Maybe that's all he needs to feel OK though, if so, fair enough. But there is the potential for him to so something utterly incredible by doing a collaborations album, imagine an album of song like Scorpio Rising! It would be biblical to use the man's own words. This is why some people get down on the song I think, it just encapsulates the completely wasted opportunity this album is, and that frankly nothing particularly has been learned. Who on earth wants to hear Liam singing Adele songs? I don't get it. What would you have Liam do? You said he's a singer right? Not a songwriter? Well he's signing all the songs on his debut and has polished writers crafting his tunes. That is his best possible play at the moment. In terms of collaborating with other artists and producers, well it's not 1996 or 2002 anymore. Maybe no one is calling Liam for his services. This could put him back on the map so to speak and then those other projects could possibly materialize. Give it time. Give Liam a chance. It's early people.
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 12, 2017 15:00:11 GMT -5
I tend to agree. I really don't get the determination to force Liam into being classed as a songwriter. He isn't. He's a singer, he's never done anything to suggest he should be writing albums. It's so blindingly obvious what he should be doing that I'm really at a loss why they're pursuing this dead end. It's a complete waste of his most unique and valuable asset to be putting him on soppy ballads way up out of his range. The first part of the chorus sounds like a computer singing (because it is), what's the point? The album will get number 1 in the UK and then go nowhere. Maybe that's all he needs to feel OK though, if so, fair enough. But there is the potential for him to so something utterly incredible by doing a collaborations album, imagine an album of song like Scorpio Rising! It would be biblical to use the man's own words. This is why some people get down on the song I think, it just encapsulates the completely wasted opportunity this album is, and that frankly nothing particularly has been learned. Who on earth wants to hear Liam singing Adele songs? I don't get it. What would you have Liam do? You said he's a singer right? Not a songwriter? Well he's signing all the songs on his debut and has polished writers crafting his tunes. That is his best possible play at the moment. In terms of collaborating with other artists and producers, well it's not 1996 or 2002 anymore. Maybe no one is calling Liam for his services. This could put him back on the map so to speak and then those other projects could possibly materialize. Give it time. Give Liam a chance. It's early people. The songs aren't there though, they're avarage at best and(in the UK at least) it IMHO won't do great. I'm not even convinced the album will get to number 1. If this is what Liam wants to do then fair enough but this is 2017 and not the 90s and he'll need to be prepared for a fairly poor chart run. I think even Noel will have to pull something special out of the bag to get a good chart run.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 12, 2017 15:36:47 GMT -5
I don't get it. What would you have Liam do? You said he's a singer right? Not a songwriter? Well he's signing all the songs on his debut and has polished writers crafting his tunes. That is his best possible play at the moment. In terms of collaborating with other artists and producers, well it's not 1996 or 2002 anymore. Maybe no one is calling Liam for his services. This could put him back on the map so to speak and then those other projects could possibly materialize. Give it time. Give Liam a chance. It's early people. The songs aren't there though, they're avarage at best. No, you think they're average. Loads of us don't!
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Post by neila83 on Aug 12, 2017 15:47:03 GMT -5
I tend to agree. I really don't get the determination to force Liam into being classed as a songwriter. He isn't. He's a singer, he's never done anything to suggest he should be writing albums. It's so blindingly obvious what he should be doing that I'm really at a loss why they're pursuing this dead end. It's a complete waste of his most unique and valuable asset to be putting him on soppy ballads way up out of his range. The first part of the chorus sounds like a computer singing (because it is), what's the point? The album will get number 1 in the UK and then go nowhere. Maybe that's all he needs to feel OK though, if so, fair enough. But there is the potential for him to so something utterly incredible by doing a collaborations album, imagine an album of song like Scorpio Rising! It would be biblical to use the man's own words. This is why some people get down on the song I think, it just encapsulates the completely wasted opportunity this album is, and that frankly nothing particularly has been learned. Who on earth wants to hear Liam singing Adele songs? I don't get it. What would you have Liam do? You said he's a singer right? Not a songwriter? Well he's signing all the songs on his debut and has polished writers crafting his tunes. That is his best possible play at the moment. In terms of collaborating with other artists and producers, well it's not 1996 or 2002 anymore. Maybe no one is calling Liam for his services. This could put him back on the map so to speak and then those other projects could possibly materialize. Give it time. Give Liam a chance. It's early people. The problem is that he's singing songs written by people who clearly have no idea how to write for him, or especially, his voice. He's singing generic pop songs that could just have easily burn sung by Adele or Sam Smith. Maybe others don't mind, but I have no interest in Liam doing that. Beige. You may be right that perhaps it's not as easy as I suggest to collaborate with the kind of people who I'd like him to, and maybe doing one album like this to get his name out there again is necessary and then he can go and do something a bit more interesting and geared to what he is about. I hope so anyway. I am quite sure Death in Vegas for instance will always pick up the phone.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 12, 2017 15:57:33 GMT -5
Good debate this, to be fair.
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 12, 2017 16:16:48 GMT -5
The songs aren't there though, they're avarage at best. No, you think they're average. Loads of us don't! I don't think they're terrible (FWIW aside) but they're nothing special. They're not Slide Away, DLBIA, Live Forever, Wonderwall, Listen Up etc etc etc. There's nothing that will cause many ripples or stir in the music world beyond this forum. It continues what Beady Eye gave us some avarage 6-7/10 songs. 90% of the music buying youth will know nothing about it and won't care. Again, I'm not saying it's terrible but there's no classic or incredible songs so far.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 12, 2017 16:28:59 GMT -5
Líam's vocal can no longer elevate a great song to classic, nor can his vocals make an average song great anymore.
I wouldn't call the song embarrassing but it's close.....
Would love to see him doing music along the lines of 'White Smoke', the remix.....love that song, one of my favorite post Oasis songs.....
Gonna get everyone here who loves this song a free library card, expose them to some amazing music for free...
Thanks.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 12, 2017 17:02:41 GMT -5
Líam's vocal can no longer elevate a great song to classic, nor can his vocals make an average song great anymore. I wouldn't call the song embarrassing but it's close.....
Would love to see him doing music along the lines of 'White Smoke', the remix.....love that song, one of my favorite post Oasis songs.....Gonna get everyone here who loves this song a free library card, expose them to some amazing music for free... Thanks. Tell me more...
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 12, 2017 17:04:38 GMT -5
Líam's vocal can no longer elevate a great song to classic, nor can his vocals make an average song great anymore. I wouldn't call the song embarrassing but it's close.....
Would love to see him doing music along the lines of 'White Smoke', the remix.....love that song, one of my favorite post Oasis songs.....Gonna get everyone here who loves this song a free library card, expose them to some amazing music for free... Thanks. Tell me more... Did you get very far?
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