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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 15, 2017 16:33:48 GMT -5
Any technophiles out there know if there's any chance/technical possibility of
- Live By The Sea - There & Then - Familiar To Millions
Appearing on Blu-Ray / HD one day?
As far as I know, the only Blu-Rays currently are
- Supersonic - Lord Don't Let Me Down
That right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 6:44:58 GMT -5
Any technophiles out there know if there's any chance/technical possibility of - Live By The Sea - There & Then - Familiar To Millions Appearing on Blu-Ray / HD one day? As far as I know, the only Blu-Rays currently are - Supersonic - Lord Don't Let Me Down That right? davidjay explained this once. Live by the Sea could be released as a Blu-ray, There and Then and Familiar to Millions weren't shot in HD.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jul 18, 2017 10:05:40 GMT -5
Familiar to Millions wasn't shot in HD` ? Wtf? Really?
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Post by birchy on Jul 18, 2017 11:02:25 GMT -5
Familiar to Millions wasn't shot in HD` ? Wtf? Really? That's correct. The Wembley gigs were shot for TV, and there was no HD TV back then.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 18, 2017 11:23:22 GMT -5
pretty sure the first HD TV broadcasts were done in 1998...probably took a while for it to become standard tho. still surprising wembley wasnt done...strange also that live by the sea was done in HD but not there and then?
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Post by birchy on Jul 18, 2017 11:45:07 GMT -5
pretty sure the first HD TV broadcasts were done in 1998...probably took a while for it to become standard tho. still surprising wembley wasnt done...strange also that live by the sea was done in HD but not there and then? You're right, HD TV did exist before 2000 but there were no HDTV channels in the UK until 2006 so there was no need to shoot it in HD. Live By The Sea was shot on 16mm film, so it could be rescanned in HD and authored in the original frame rate on a Blu-ray. I can't see the others being re-released on BR.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 18, 2017 12:19:12 GMT -5
There had been extensive work on developing HDTV in the UK from the 80s onwards, and circa 2000 BBC had shot some programmes in the format as an experiment. But it wasn't a mainstream UK TV production format until c. 2006.
Will post some more on this in a bit.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 18, 2017 12:27:28 GMT -5
(Thought it would be better to repost here rather than link to the old thread)
Earls Court and Maine Road were shot on standard-definition PAL videotape, in 4:3 aspect ratio. The clips used in the There and Then concert video were processed with an early "filmizing" effect, to match the lower (25fps) frame rate of film shot for UK TV. That process reduced the resolution to sub-SD. If the original un-processed tapes survive, they could be used to remaster the footage in higher quality. There are also brief clips that look like they were shot on 8mm film, notably the backstage footage of the Bootleg Beatles.
G-Mex is another 576i SD production, in 4:3 aspect ratio. The master is probably a Digital Betacam videotape in MTV's archive.
Familiar to Millions is a standard-definition 576i recording, shot in 16:9 aspect ratio. Probably shot and edited on Digital Betacam. The footage was "filmized" in post-production for the DVD, halving the frame rate to match the more juddery motion of film. The filmizing process used here is much better than was available before, preserving more of the resolution.
So it's really only Live by the Sea and Knebworth that could be restored in true HD, assuming all the original elements survive. The others would have to be up-scaled.
Having said that it is possible they could present the others on Blu-Ray in their original SD format.
The codecs used for Blu-Ray video compression are more transparent than MPEG2 used on DVD, so you should get an increase in the standard-definition picture quality. The audio could also be presented un-compressed.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 18, 2017 12:41:16 GMT -5
Here's a BBC show talking about the development of HDTV in 1986, when it was very much at an experimental stage only. The upload is from a poor VHS tape though.
Some great quality footage here of New York, shot in 1993 on a now obsolete analogue HD video system developed by Sony for Japanese TV.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 18, 2017 14:54:52 GMT -5
(Thought it would be better to repost here rather than link to the old thread) Earls Court and Maine Road were shot on standard-definition PAL videotape, in 4:3 aspect ratio. The clips used in the There and Then concert video were processed with an early "filmizing" effect, to match the lower (25fps) frame rate of film shot for UK TV. That process reduced the resolution to sub-SD. If the original un-processed tapes survive, they could be used to remaster the footage in higher quality. There are also brief clips that look like they were shot on 8mm film, notably the backstage footage of the Bootleg Beatles. G-Mex is another 576i SD production, in 4:3 aspect ratio. The master is probably a Digital Betacam videotape in MTV's archive. Familiar to Millions is a standard-definition 576i recording, shot in 16:9 aspect ratio. Probably shot and edited on Digital Betacam. The footage was "filmized" in post-production for the DVD, halving the frame rate to match the more juddery motion of film. The filmizing process used here is much better than was available before, preserving more of the resolution. So it's really only Live by the Sea and Knebworth that could be restored in true HD, assuming all the original elements survive. The others would have to be up-scaled. Having said that it is possible they could present the others on Blu-Ray in their original SD format. The codecs used for Blu-Ray video compression are more transparent than MPEG2 used on DVD, so you should get an increase in the standard-definition picture quality. The audio could also be presented un-compressed. Thanks a lot!
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 18, 2017 16:52:55 GMT -5
if they can release old movies like the wizard of oz and metropolis on bluray im pretty sure they could work the same magic on these oasis dvds
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Post by davidjay on Jul 18, 2017 18:53:09 GMT -5
if they can release old movies like the wizard of oz and metropolis on bluray im pretty sure they could work the same magic on these oasis dvds The thing there is that those classic movies were shot on 35mm film, which is an inherently high-resolution format. You can go back and scan the film elements in HD (and now 4K resolution) and recover more and more detail from the source. Whereas most of the Oasis concert films mentioned here were shot on video, in standard definition. They can be remastered, but the resolution is always limited to what was originally captured within that standard-definition video signal. The remastered D'You Know What I Mean? music video looks so good because the Mill were able to scan the original 35mm film negative at 2K resolution, then restore and regrade from that source. They really should do some more like that. Anyway, hope the above is of some use! www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1883
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