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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Jul 8, 2017 17:21:09 GMT -5
Personally I think it helps he is in better shape and my other theory which I wish and interviewer would ask is that he had nasal surgery to fix a deviated septum bc when you have that you sing from your nose and he isn't doing that now. Also he isn't using in ear monitors again and that's helping. Back in the 2000's when he started wearing them is when he started to chsmcevthe way he sang and sounded weird. Maybe that also helped. Either way I love it. Makes me want a full oasis reunion so bad
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Jul 8, 2017 17:25:53 GMT -5
According to wikipedia hashimoto's disease generally starts to affect people between 30 and 50. Liam turned 30 in 2002 and that was when his voice started to become really, really hoarse, and he probably went years without being diagnosed and treated. So I think it is just a combination of that, better singing technique, less coke/darts/booze, and the apple cider vinegar thing he was talking about. He's also complained about not being able to sing properly in Oasis because Noel's guitar was too loud, although that wouldn't explain his poor performances in Beady Eye, but he doesn't seem to be trying to sing as loud as he used to which would also be helping. The other thing is that it's just him now, he hasn't got Noel, Andy or Gem, he just has himself and his voice, so it's likely he cares about it a lot more. If Liam's singing is subpar people will view his solo act as subpar. i have the same thyroid condition as Liam and I'll tell you one thing it causes havoc on your body and the way you feel. You are always tired and feel like you were hit by a train. Also it makes you have bad mood swings and be angry. Everyone who lived with me always told me that even tho I never noticed. For me one day I can talk and the next day my voice will be wore out. As soon as I started treatment it all got way better. Never going to be perfect but better. It's hard to treat also bc I went through 3 years of trying different meds till they got it right. I hope he is feeling better now!
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Jul 8, 2017 17:29:58 GMT -5
I think he could always sing 'properly', its just a case of him being bothered to put effort into his performances. When he was in Oasis, people were gonna buy tickets to see them regardless of how Liam performed, because they were 'Oasis'. I think now he's gone solo, he's putting in extra effort into his vocal performances, because its his name out there alone, and has something to prove. maybe a little but I dont believe that. You could see in his eyes and face he was struggling and it made him angry. He said in an interview he had shows he walked on stage scared and doubting himself and that it effected his performance
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:34:35 GMT -5
It creeps on you slowly and you get used to feeling tired, etc. My mother has it yet I didn't realize I have it too, even though I had all kinds of symptoms for quite some time. I mean I feel like you should have noticed to be honest. I'm aware of everything hereditary in my family and check for symptoms, BUT, regardless you're not a singer in the biggest rock band in the world who suffered a serious and sudden decline in vocal quality, someone should have got to the bottom of it before 2016. We don't know how long he has had the condition or when he was diagnosed, we are just guessing here! He has had psoriasis for quite some time too, and often these kind of autoimmune diseases go hand in hand.
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Post by walterglass on Jul 9, 2017 19:43:39 GMT -5
Smoother than a vaselined otter.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 9, 2017 19:46:58 GMT -5
Hot Take:
I think Liam sounds the same as he did in 2008, 2011 and 2013. Which is good because he sounded very very very good at the start of all those cycles too.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 9, 2017 20:49:36 GMT -5
The sad thing is that he only sounds good in relative terms. If you told someone who's never heard him sing before to listen to one of his recent performances they'd think he was an average to poor singer, despite it sounding ten times better than it has done for the last however many years. Actually, I did have a few friends who listened to the One Love Manchester concert (they never listen to Oasis), and they did think that he sounded good. Yep. A friend of my brother's (he will've listened to Oasis before, but he's by no means a fan) said to my brother the other day: "How good was Liam Gallagher on that One Love Manchester thing?!". It was actually a really nice bit of exposure for Liam, that show. (I know that's know what it was about - but if we're being cynical about it...). It's just a shame he had to ruin it a bit by slagging Noel off, needlessly, the day after, but there you go... If Wall of Glass got some more streams and views on YouTube, it still did the job.
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Post by Godlike on Jul 9, 2017 20:59:18 GMT -5
Smoother than a vaselined otter. This is the best we've heard him sing wonderwall since 97 maybe even 96 Maine road, clear voice and powerful sound again.. LIAM whatever the hell your doing keep that shit up it's working!!
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Post by cloudburster on Jul 13, 2017 1:21:54 GMT -5
Hot Take: I think Liam sounds the same as he did in 2008, 2011 and 2013. Which is good because he sounded very very very good at the start of all those cycles too. Gotta disagree on this one. He has way more power and can actually hold notes again. He used to sound alright at the start of those tours but it was still very weak compared to now. This tiny moment sums it up for me. Check out 1:39 til about 1:54 - it's very brief but he does his patented 95/96 snarl. Similar to old Slide away "now that you're miineaah" or My Big mouth "and as you look into the eyessah" There's a few other examples of him doing this recently. He would never even attempt to do that since at least like 1998.
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Post by Velo on Jul 13, 2017 3:31:36 GMT -5
i think the major difference is yeah he's holding the notes, there's a bit of rasp to his voice so he doesn't have that nasally stripped down vocal that was on the Beady Eye albums (and to a small extent, DOYS) and he's holding his voice together pretty good for tour. At the same time, he's still struggling to hit the notes on a lot of newer songs (wall of glass and greedy soul come to mind) and the stuff we're praising him for has always been pretty easy for him to smash (I.E Live Forever, Wonderwall, etc).
The other thing I noticed listening to the new songs - they've all got pretty challenging, distinct melodies. It feels that after HC, instead of forcing Liam to mostly sing outside of his range (aka most of Be Here now and SOTSOG) most of the melodies he was given were comfortable ones so he never really needed to go full tilt. I think the Noel-written songs still got the best out of his range - there's a reason the first half of DOYS is considered great and it's all to do with Liam's voice - but Andy and Gem struggled and you can tell with Beady Eye. Whose idea was it to make Liam sing For Anyone? Sheesh. For the first time, Liam's out here trying to sing harder stuff, so all the props to him.
I wish he'd play more songs in lower keys because then he'd really shine. It seems like when he knows he can do a great job, he goes all in. But at least we know he's doing good enough so the vocals on the album will sound ace.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Jul 13, 2017 4:19:21 GMT -5
Hot Take: I think Liam sounds the same as he did in 2008, 2011 and 2013. Which is good because he sounded very very very good at the start of all those cycles too. Gotta disagree on this one. He has way more power and can actually hold notes again. He used to sound alright at the start of those tours but it was still very weak compared to now. This tiny moment sums it up for me. Check out 1:39 til about 1:54 - it's very brief but he does his patented 95/96 snarl. Similar to old Slide away "now that you're miineaah" or My Big mouth "and as you look into the eyessah" There's a few other examples of him doing this recently. He would never even attempt to do that since at least like 1998. This is killer....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:22:29 GMT -5
The simple answer is...
he cares about it now.
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Post by jxing on Jul 13, 2017 8:35:56 GMT -5
Smoother than a vaselined otter. This is the best we've heard him sing wonderwall since 97 maybe even 96 Maine road, clear voice and powerful sound again.. LIAM whatever the hell your doing keep that shit up it's working!! I could be completely wrong. But He seems to be more aware and involved in the songs; communicating with the band and sound. At least that's what I think he's doing at 1:20 I think he was the same in oasis but noel just ignored him.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jul 13, 2017 8:44:08 GMT -5
I personally think it's because he's got a decent haircut again.
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Jul 13, 2017 14:05:36 GMT -5
This is the best we've heard him sing wonderwall since 97 maybe even 96 Maine road, clear voice and powerful sound again.. LIAM whatever the hell your doing keep that shit up it's working!! I could be completely wrong. But He seems to be more aware and involved in the songs; communicating with the band and sound. At least that's what I think he's doing at 1:20 I think he was the same in oasis but noel just ignored him. i could be wrong but I think he wanted them to slow the song down a little. It was feeling a little rushed. He tried interacting with Noel but most the time Noel had a bug up his ass and ignored him. You almost never saw him respond even when liam was trying hard to get his attention and show him some love on stage. That had to work on Liam's brain a lot
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Post by Godlike on Jul 13, 2017 14:54:41 GMT -5
I could be completely wrong. But He seems to be more aware and involved in the songs; communicating with the band and sound. At least that's what I think he's doing at 1:20 I think he was the same in oasis but noel just ignored him. i could be wrong but I think he wanted them to slow the song down a little. It was feeling a little rushed. He tried interacting with Noel but most the time Noel had a bug up his ass and ignored him. You almost never saw him respond even when liam was trying hard to get his attention and show him some love on stage. That had to work on Liam's brain a lot Second this
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Jul 13, 2017 19:22:25 GMT -5
i could be wrong but I think he wanted them to slow the song down a little. It was feeling a little rushed. He tried interacting with Noel but most the time Noel had a bug up his ass and ignored him. You almost never saw him respond even when liam was trying hard to get his attention and show him some love on stage. That had to work on Liam's brain a lot Second this all of it or which part?
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Post by spud on Jul 13, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
The simple answer is... he cares about it now. Not this.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 14, 2017 6:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 6:52:57 GMT -5
Liam could totally rock this. The evidence has been there to be fair. Having kermit advertise Warbutons was clear red flag. Getting people used to him being a manc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:01:42 GMT -5
Noel vodoo magic is not working.
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Post by Jgrp on Jul 18, 2017 14:25:54 GMT -5
I've always said he starts well then goes down hill which I've been worried about. Still am. But... I listened to oasis at clapham grand 2005 earlier, this was just part of a few mini gigs after a massive break. Sounds dreadful compared to now. Keep it up Liam!
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