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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 6:19:49 GMT -5
I think he's sounded roughly the same since 2008 with some ups and downs along the way. Up to and including that tour he'd always sounded distinctly different to how he did on the preceding tour which was always interesting and kind of exciting, but I think he's leveled out now into what his voice will sound like for the remainder of his career. His voice was probably a bit stronger in 2008 but his technique back then was awful, cutting away from the mic way too early etc but he seems to have adapted his style now to suit his current voice.
I agree with those who say he sounds like he did at the start of the DGSS tour, which is really good! Plus he's obviously making an effort to stretch the notes out.
The quality of his singing will go up and down but his voice is what it is now. It doesn't make for particularly good bootlegs to listen back to and televised performances can sometimes be awkward but he's always on point in the studio and sounds great while you're at the gig!
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 31, 2017 6:20:23 GMT -5
Still a good voice. Definitely not "bad". He doesn't pull away from the mic.
I didn't have a problem with the matured voice. The pulling away from the mic always bothered me.
Let's face it, he always sounded flat, since 1992.
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Post by zogallagher on May 31, 2017 6:26:37 GMT -5
I think the new songs were where he struggled. Just by seemingly not knowing them well enough. I think we all have that vision he will come back on stage and just hit us with that 1995 vocal again. People are having a pop at people for that but i think its only natural as fans to dream like that. What i do think is that his approach to his singing is wrong. I dont think anyone will have sat down with him and even tackled the issue of his live singing. Maybe because outside the fanbase it is never really spoke of. Chris Moyles mentioning him cutting off words was literally the first time ive heard "mainstream media" even commentate on his live vocals. If he had more comments of that nature then im sure it would at least create a debate on ideas like vocal surgery etc. Very true! Have no idea how Liam went through a decade of improper live singing with the media essentially ignoring the issue and despite the lukewarm critical reception of late Oasis / BDI and an occassional mention of his voice "not being quite what it used to be", still regularly defining him as the greatest frontman of his generation. Often if a famous person known to sing well has a really bad performance it becomes frontpage banter. Plus he's probably surrounded by an army of yesmen. The problem is while, yes, he'll never be '95 level, he can definitely still sing well, as evidenced by some of yesterday's tunes, but he simply doesn't know HOW to sing and nobody has the balls to suggest a different approach. His collegues or the media. He sang some of his old tunes better than his new ones, practically damn near nailing DYKWIM, which to me is proof that he could sing any tune decently if he was told how to. Honestly, imagine if Liam had a more informed approach to singing in his younger days ... Perhaps the Liam of old we all adore could have been even more Biblical than he was, not even taking into account of how it would benefit the future od his voice. Honestly I think we should organise a crusade of email complaints to media known to regularly to cover the Gallaghers and criticize them for their dickrider approach. I know I sound like an deluded, over-obsessed fanboy highly overestimating our influence, think about the likes of NME and whoever else being bombarded over a period of a few months with emails from legit Oasis fans on how they're not critical enough of his voice. Done respectfully and all of that. Haha  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 6:29:45 GMT -5
Let's be honest, objectively, he sounds shit. You can see little improvement but if I was someone who never heard of Liam and Oasis and this was my first time listening to him, I would think, my god, this is terrible, this guy can't sing. And I've heard that before from people who were on Oasis gigs but were not big Oasis fans - Noel was good, Liam can't sing. We, as fans, can be happy with this little things and improvements but I don't think that he will draw bigger crowd than Beady Eye. His gigs can be hell of a experience for us mad fer it fans with beer in our hands and singing every word but it's shit experience for everybody else. People are now hailing his ''falsetto'' on Bold chorus but if I went to some local pub and heard singer from some local band to sing like that, I would laugh my face off. I fucking love you. Finally honest point of view. He sounds shit and nothing changed at all. so all the others who dont share your troll opinion are dishonest? |
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Post by zogallagher on May 31, 2017 6:30:16 GMT -5
Sounded like he was struggling to me. People saying he sounds good or much better are kidding themselves or just having a laugh He certainly struggled a lot, at points it was pretry terrible, but some of the songs were quite strong or a considerable improvement no doubt. I think there's both, people who are overpraising and people who are way too negative. Interestingly, I think he handled some of the oldies quite well while he really struggled with the newer ones. |
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Post by magicman on May 31, 2017 6:37:37 GMT -5
new songs sounding killer! prob a bit hard to sing seeing as they are proper written songs
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Post by eva on May 31, 2017 6:53:48 GMT -5
I think he's sounded roughly the same since 2008 with some ups and downs along the way. Up to and including that tour he'd always sounded distinctly different to how he did on the preceding tour which was always interesting and kind of exciting, but I think he's leveled out now into what his voice will sound like for the remainder of his career. His voice was probably a bit stronger in 2008 but his technique back then was awful, cutting away from the mic way too early etc but he seems to have adapted his style now to suit his current voice. I agree with those who say he sounds like he did at the start of the DGSS tour, which is really good! Plus he's obviously making an effort to stretch the notes out. The quality of his singing will go up and down but his voice is what it is now. It doesn't make for particularly good bootlegs to listen back to and televised performances can sometimes be awkward but he's always on point in the studio and sounds great while you're at the gig! I agree with this ^ it didn't sound like he was struggling to me. He sounded the best he can sound today, he's not going back to his 90s voice. People expecting this are deluded and using it as a complaining point is tiresome. I hope he takes care of himself and can hold his voice for the rest of the tour |
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Post by scyhopath on May 31, 2017 7:07:28 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag, really. The oldies sounded pretty good, especially those we heard for the first time in a long time (Slide Away, BHN). However he still cannot hit the same notes he stopped belting out some 10 years ago, so no improvement there.
As for the new songs, I am disappointed - "Bold" and "Wall of Glass" sounded awfully out of tune, especially the former. How come he wrote something he himself cannot even sing properly? I thought that this performance in Ireland was poor because he was shitfaced and all that, but even in a more appropriate setting (he's got the bloody in-ear monitors so he can supposedly hear himself better!) he put up a mediocre performance, to say the least.
I do hope that Liam will get it together eventually, not wreck his voice early on tour and give some memorable performances. I don't want him to burn himself and fuck off for good, but it's all in LG's hands to make it count.
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Post by Thomas on May 31, 2017 7:25:37 GMT -5
I don't see why there's people complaining about Bold, really. It sounded quite good. Strained to hit the notes in the chorus (yes I knowww...) but other than that was fully on tune. The lay it on me part had very good vocals.
Wall Of Glass, indeed, was shockingly bad. I didn't expect Liam to hit the high notes on the bridge, but he was out of tune the whole song...
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Post by agallagher23 on May 31, 2017 7:27:45 GMT -5
At the risk of being laughed at, there are cases of singers having surgery to improve their vocal cords.
I know Liam might be to RnR to ever consider it, though it seems that it could breath back some life in his voice, so why not consider (of course not knowing if he hasn't already done so and got a no-go diagnosis).
breathing and stance can do small miracles, however it takes discipline to start and continue to do so.
All in all, like Jay-z once said "if you want to hear me spit like my old shit, buy my old album".
As you were is where we are, so that is the the only thing we can support.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 7:35:37 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag, really. The oldies sounded pretty good, especially those we heard for the first time in a long time (Slide Away, BHN). However he still cannot hit the same notes he stopped belting out some 10 years ago, so no improvement there. As for the new songs, I am disappointed - "Bold" and "Wall of Glass" sounded awfully out of tune, especially the former. How come he wrote himself something he cannot even sing properly? I thought that this performance in Ireland was poor because he was shitfaced and all that, but even in a more appropriate setting (he's got the bloody in-ear monitors so he can supposedly hear himself better!) he put up a mediocre performance, to say the least. I do hope that Liam will get it together eventually, not wreck his voice early on tour and give some memorable performances. I don't want him to burn himself and fuck off for good, but it's all in LG's hands to make it count. damn... you found my hidden offence 😐 |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on May 31, 2017 12:14:38 GMT -5
Let's face it. There's something about his live performance, something wrong. Disease? vice? bad habit? who knows. But yeah, his voice is almost the same since 2008, no bad at all, but very very different way of singing, far of the quality of his voice. I think the first dates with Oasis in 2008 and with BE in 2011 were the best. 2013-2014 were fuckin awful times, very very bad performances.
And let me say it. 2010's Decade of people being troll with trolls. Intolerance to intolerance. Anybody can say whatever they wants, no? and if I disagree I can choose between, respond or block your opinion in my mind... why to say "you can't do this here, you can't say that, there"... You want no trolls? ignore them.
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Post by mouth on May 31, 2017 12:28:48 GMT -5
i mean, what did people expect? his voice has been shit for about 15 years now. did someone think that'd change, cos he goes solo?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 31, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
It sounds good on some songs and pretty rough on others. But I have to agree it's pretty shit if we start comparing to other artists of the same profession. It's very nasally.
That being said, I think Liam demonstrated a bit of range that I didn't think he was capable of anymore. That was a welcome surprise!
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Post by The Escapist on May 31, 2017 12:35:30 GMT -5
I thought he sounded alright overall. Not embarrassing, not 1996. Few bad bits, few great bits.
Pretty much what I expected.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 12:43:22 GMT -5
i only heard bits 'n' pieces from this performance (staying away from all the new stuff until the album comes out) but i think his ceiling is beady eye 2011 (and the first 1/3rd of that tour, at that). i was blown away, i couldn't believe how good he sounded back then. not only the voice, but he was holding the notes as well. pure fire.
i'm always objective and honest when it comes to how he's sounding and i think he sounded fantastic back then. if he can get close to that and maintain it...
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Post by blurareshit on May 31, 2017 12:50:22 GMT -5
I know this is an unpopular thing to say here, but honestly, the cycle of abuse and decline in his technical vocal abilities can be traced all the way back to 1994, where his voice underwent a significant change over the course of the year, he often lost it at gigs, and stopped being able to sing falsetto live. It's been well over 20 years of degradation over time and changes in the way he sings in order to compensate for that. And his voice has seen ups and downs since then, but the ups seem to be short lived and the downs a bit worse each time. Nobody outside of Oasis fans would ever think he was a good singer nowadays. Even 17 years ago on FTM he sounds knackered and is not properly hitting the notes. Hell, I know a friend that has that opinion about "Wonderwall" and such because he doesn't show much dynamics in vocal range or expression, just sort of "yells".
We're a lot like how Dylan fans can still appreciate his modern stuff despite the huge decline in his voice. That's how I feel about Liam today.
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Post by spaneli on May 31, 2017 12:55:22 GMT -5
I know this is an unpopular thing to say here, but honestly, the cycle of abuse and decline in his technical vocal abilities can be traced all the way back to 1994, where his voice underwent a significant change over the course of the year, he often lost it at gigs, and stopped being able to sing falsetto live. It's been well over 20 years of degradation over time and changes in the way he sings in order to compensate for that. And his voice has seen ups and downs since then, but the ups seem to be short lived and the downs a bit worse each time. Nobody outside of Oasis fans would ever think he was a good singer nowadays. Even 17 years ago on FTM he sounds knackered and is not properly hitting the notes. Hell, I know a friend that has that opinion about "Wonderwall" and such because he doesn't show much dynamics in vocal range or expression, just sort of "yells". We're a lot like how Dylan fans can still appreciate his modern stuff despite the huge decline in his voice. That's how I feel about Liam today. That's about it. Objectively, if I heard someone singing like Liam without his cache, I probably wouldn't take the time to listen. For me, I'm used to this, but I know when I listen to live gig on Youtube, sometimes I'll catch myself thinking, "Is this actually good? Or is this just good for Liam?" Usually, it's the latter unfortunately. |
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Post by oasisserbia on May 31, 2017 13:25:29 GMT -5
I know this is an unpopular thing to say here, but honestly, the cycle of abuse and decline in his technical vocal abilities can be traced all the way back to 1994, where his voice underwent a significant change over the course of the year, he often lost it at gigs, and stopped being able to sing falsetto live. It's been well over 20 years of degradation over time and changes in the way he sings in order to compensate for that. And his voice has seen ups and downs since then, but the ups seem to be short lived and the downs a bit worse each time. Nobody outside of Oasis fans would ever think he was a good singer nowadays. Even 17 years ago on FTM he sounds knackered and is not properly hitting the notes. Hell, I know a friend that has that opinion about "Wonderwall" and such because he doesn't show much dynamics in vocal range or expression, just sort of "yells". We're a lot like how Dylan fans can still appreciate his modern stuff despite the huge decline in his voice. That's how I feel about Liam today. That's about it. Objectively, if I heard someone singing like Liam without his cache, I probably wouldn't take the time to listen. For me, I'm used to this, but I know when I listen to live gig on Youtube, sometimes I'll catch myself thinking, "Is this actually good? Or is this just good for Liam?" Usually, it's the latter unfortunately. This. Voice is like every other instrument. I just don't like his voice now, it's like listening to some shit guitar. It's not even about can he hit some high notes or not (and he can't most of the time). He had his distinctive voice in 90s and what we hear now is just shitter version of that. I would like him to find ''new voice''. Even if he is singing much much lower, I just want to find hear some good sound coming out of speakers. Listen this song for an example. This is so low that everybody can sing it but it sounds great, Damon's voice sounds good and he is comfortable singing this. |
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Post by willydee333 on May 31, 2017 13:27:55 GMT -5
I dunno why but I really like his recent voice, like when he strains to hit the notes I kinda like it haha weird I know. His voice has always been distinct its just a nice voice to listen to
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Post by zogallagher on May 31, 2017 14:26:02 GMT -5
That's about it. Objectively, if I heard someone singing like Liam without his cache, I probably wouldn't take the time to listen. For me, I'm used to this, but I know when I listen to live gig on Youtube, sometimes I'll catch myself thinking, "Is this actually good? Or is this just good for Liam?" Usually, it's the latter unfortunately. This. Voice is like every other instrument. I just don't like his voice now, it's like listening to some shit guitar. It's not even about can he hit some high notes or not (and he can't most of the time). He had his distinctive voice in 90s and what we hear now is just shitter version of that. I would like him to find ''new voice''. Even if he is singing much much lower, I just want to find hear some good sound coming out of speakers. Listen this song for an example. This is so low that everybody can sing it but it sounds great, Damon's voice sounds good and he is comfortable singing this. Spot on! The problem with Liam is that he sings as if he's voice was like it once was, and it isn't. Once somebody gets that through his head (aka no more yesmen around him, the media not ignoring that he's bad live), we could get a strong vocal, different and not the 90s one, but a strong one still. |
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Post by thewhiteshadow on May 31, 2017 15:58:27 GMT -5
He sounded pretty good actually.
I was very disappointed about Wall of glass and Bold, Greedy Soul and the oldies where fuckin great.
I think he sounded like the SOTEON in 2008, keeping higher notes constantly and his voice was very clear
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 16:10:41 GMT -5
I think Liam shoud approach his vocals like the version he did of blue moon
Turn the flaws into a strenght in a new rought style of singing. Not forcing himself into trying to sound as the 90s, because thats the really odd part of his performances.
His voice is not as fucked up as some say, its just different. If he ever aknowledges this he ll be fine.
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Post by vespa on May 31, 2017 16:17:25 GMT -5
Is this really what every gigs gonna be like??he didn't sing the note right when he said slide or he didn't hit the high note properly..seriously since when did the fans start monitoring this??who the fuck stands at a Gallagher gig listening for that??
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Post by matt on May 31, 2017 16:21:52 GMT -5
Can't speak for his live performances as I've not watched enough of his live performance of late (I'm not really one for watching live gigs regardless unless it is truly exceptional), but he's always been strong vocally on record, aside from a couple of Oasis albums (Heathen Chemistry and half of Don't Believe The Truth). He sounds better because the song is better.
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