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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 10:29:33 GMT -5
That's your opinion and it's fine for me of course. But I think people are a bit too serious on that matter. Lost respect for Beady Eye cause they did 2 songs? Really? Especially when Beady Eye consisted of the guy who sang those songs 15 years plus 2 other guys who did those songs live for 9 years and another guy who played drums live on those songs for a year? I don't have to understand it I guess. I said it before and I say it again. I'm with Liam on this. It's his songs as much as Noels. If he wants to play them he should do it. If half of his set will be Oasis songs it's too much for me but 2,3,4 songs, why not. Oh i dont take it seriously, just think it's an interesting topic to understand why some solo careers fail and other don't. Yeah the fact that they started playing Oasis songs was the first nail in the coffin. You dont attract new people by being Oasis minus Noel, of course people are gonna come for those tunes and not for the new ones. Take Jarvis Cocker : when he launched his solo career, he sung zero Pulp tunes. You may lose some of your fanbase but that's the only way to gain new people. Especially when it's the same band, it's suicide to go onstage and play your brother's tune, although you got like 30 songs to choose from between 3 songwriters. And some good ones... Or Dave Grohl with Foo fighters : he didn't start the thing by playing Nirvana's back catalogue. Coxon, when he plays alone, plays only his songs from Blur... etc I mean, am i the only one who think this is nonsense ? Of course those tunes belong to him, and in a few years, maybe he could slowly begin to play some of them, but first : make yourself a name without your brother's tune. If he was touring with not his own material, then fine, you're a performer, end of story. But here, he wants to be a singer / songwriter... So act like it. It's a very complicated situation though for Liam, i'll give you that. Neither Coxon nor Grohl were the known singers of their former bands. Its not a fair comparison. Plant doing Zep songs in his tours, mostly written by jimmy page is a better example.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 4, 2016 10:55:07 GMT -5
That's your opinion and it's fine for me of course. But I think people are a bit too serious on that matter. Lost respect for Beady Eye cause they did 2 songs? Really? Especially when Beady Eye consisted of the guy who sang those songs 15 years plus 2 other guys who did those songs live for 9 years and another guy who played drums live on those songs for a year? I don't have to understand it I guess. I said it before and I say it again. I'm with Liam on this. It's his songs as much as Noels. If he wants to play them he should do it. If half of his set will be Oasis songs it's too much for me but 2,3,4 songs, why not. Oh i dont take it seriously, just think it's an interesting topic to understand why some solo careers fail and other don't. Yeah the fact that they started playing Oasis songs was the first nail in the coffin. You dont attract new people by being Oasis minus Noel, of course people are gonna come for those tunes and not for the new ones. Take Jarvis Cocker : when he launched his solo career, he sung zero Pulp tunes. You may lose some of your fanbase but that's the only way to gain new people. Especially when it's the same band, it's suicide to go onstage and play your brother's tune, although you got like 30 songs to choose from between 3 songwriters. And some good ones... Or Dave Grohl with Foo fighters : he didn't start the thing by playing Nirvana's back catalogue. Coxon, when he plays alone, plays only his songs from Blur... etc I mean, am i the only one who think this is nonsense ? Of course those tunes belong to him, and in a few years, maybe he could slowly begin to play some of them, but first : make yourself a name without your brother's tune. If he was touring with not his own material, then fine, you're a performer, end of story. But here, he wants to be a singer / songwriter... So act like it. It's a very complicated situation though for Liam, i'll give you that. You can´t really compare that all I think. Grohl an Coxon weren´t the singers. Cocker was, but I have no idea what he plays live tbh. Look at the other side, ex-members of Guns N Roses for example did GnR tunes all the time with their bands. Don´t think anybody said "That´s not their own songs, they shouldn´t do it" At their biggest gigs at their peak Oasis did 2 covers live at Maine Road. Never heard someone complaining. So why is it that big deal for a few people if Liam Gallagher does include a few tunes of HIS old band inbetween his new songs?
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Post by importantlyidle on Oct 4, 2016 13:26:57 GMT -5
We had all this with Beady Eye There's no problem at all with Liam playing Oasis stuff that Noel wrote as long as it's no more than say 4 just to plug a few gaps (maybe 5 if he includes something he wrote). Let's be honest Beady Eye changed their setlist a lot more than Noel has and you'd think Liam had a part in that so we'd probably get a few changes in any tour Liam does compared to Noel, lets face it the best we got from Noel on the last tour was bringing Freaky Teeth back for 2 gigs and Ballad Of The Might I coming back on the 2nd leg.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 4, 2016 13:40:57 GMT -5
Oh my, this sounds terrible. "I'm not a media darling", yeah, that's not the reason people believe he can't write songs, it's that he hasn't written more than a handful decent ones in two decades.
"A few are a bit 'Working Class Hero'", because obviously he needs to compare himself to Lennon more, right?
Let's hope I'm wrong and this isn't DGSS 2.0...
As far as the Oasis songs go, he will tour with no more than 12-15 solo songs to his name, so obviously he's going to do Oasis songs. Did anybody really believe he wouldn't?
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Post by Jgrp on Oct 4, 2016 13:55:04 GMT -5
Oh my, this sounds terrible. "I'm not a media darling", yeah, that's not the reason people believe he can't write songs, it's that he hasn't written more than a handful decent ones in two decades. "A few are a bit 'Working Class Hero'", because obviously he needs to compare himself to Lennon more, right? Let's hope I'm wrong and this isn't DGSS 2.0... As far as the Oasis songs go, he will tour with no more than 12-15 solo songs to his name, so obviously he's going to do Oasis songs. Did anybody really believe he wouldn't? I too really hope it's not DGSS 2.0!!!! I'm worried!
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Post by Rolo on Oct 4, 2016 17:29:24 GMT -5
Right. Some of the posts I've read in this thread have really left me scratching my head. How the fuck can Dave Grohl and Graham Coxon be compared to Liam on this topic? Grohl was the fucking drummer and Coxon sang the odd song, I mean really? Come off it!
Liam brought the songs to life with his voice, I don't care what anyone says, them songs are as much Liam's as they are Noel's in my eyes. It's simple really, can you imagine if Definitely Maybe had Noel on lead vocals? Would the songs of took off like they did? Not a chance! Noel needed Liam and Liam needed Noel, that's all there is to it.
I can't for the life of me get my head round people kicking up a fuss about Liam doing Oasis tunes at his gigs, this whole "Liam needs to find his own identity as a solo artist" I keep seeing is bullshit, why does he? No matter how well he does as a solo artist, he will still always be referred to as "that singer from Oasis".
To me there's no negatives in him doing them, the people who go to his gigs will get to go mental for a few songs when he blasts out an Oasis classic and for Liam, it will probably draw a few more people in as 99% of people who will be going to his solo gigs will be buzzing off the prospect of him playing "Supersonic" or "Live Forever". As an Oasis fan why wouldn't you? I really don't know.
All I know is when he does do these gigs I will be going and just enjoying them for what they are, I'll be excited to hear his new stuff and I know for a fact that when I hear the opening riff to Rock N Roll Star, I'll be jumping up and down like a lunatic. Bring it on!
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Post by andymorris on Oct 5, 2016 2:09:36 GMT -5
Oh i dont take it seriously, just think it's an interesting topic to understand why some solo careers fail and other don't. Yeah the fact that they started playing Oasis songs was the first nail in the coffin. You dont attract new people by being Oasis minus Noel, of course people are gonna come for those tunes and not for the new ones. Take Jarvis Cocker : when he launched his solo career, he sung zero Pulp tunes. You may lose some of your fanbase but that's the only way to gain new people. Especially when it's the same band, it's suicide to go onstage and play your brother's tune, although you got like 30 songs to choose from between 3 songwriters. And some good ones... Or Dave Grohl with Foo fighters : he didn't start the thing by playing Nirvana's back catalogue. Coxon, when he plays alone, plays only his songs from Blur... etc I mean, am i the only one who think this is nonsense ? Of course those tunes belong to him, and in a few years, maybe he could slowly begin to play some of them, but first : make yourself a name without your brother's tune. If he was touring with not his own material, then fine, you're a performer, end of story. But here, he wants to be a singer / songwriter... So act like it. It's a very complicated situation though for Liam, i'll give you that. You can´t really compare that all I think. Grohl an Coxon weren´t the singers. Cocker was, but I have no idea what he plays live tbh. Look at the other side, ex-members of Guns N Roses for example did GnR tunes all the time with their bands. Don´t think anybody said "That´s not their own songs, they shouldn´t do it" At their biggest gigs at their peak Oasis did 2 covers live at Maine Road. Never heard someone complaining. So why is it that big deal for a few people if Liam Gallagher does include a few tunes of HIS old band inbetween his new songs? Well, a band covering another band is a totally different matter. As i said before, if you want to be seen as a songwriter, the only smart decision is not to include songs written by your brother in your set, at least for the first few years. Especially when literally everyone knows you never wrote a note during your band's time of fame. Liam has been "the singer" in Oasis for the past 20 years, and taking songs from Noel (again, his Oasis songs should be in the set) sends the wrong message. Something like he needs Noel's hits to attract people to gigs, that his songs are not strong enough, that he's cashing in on Oasis fame... etc I dont know how to say it differently, seems pretty clear.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 5, 2016 2:13:39 GMT -5
Right. Some of the posts I've read in this thread have really left me scratching my head. How the fuck can Dave Grohl and Graham Coxon be compared to Liam on this topic? Grohl was the fucking drummer and Coxon sang the odd song, I mean really? Come off it! So what ? A singer is not more important than a drummer, especially in those two bands. Grohl was very important in the Nirvana sound and Coxon shaped Blur's guitar sound, made it unique. Those two are way more important to their band that you can imagine. jeeeeez
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 5, 2016 2:29:42 GMT -5
Right. Some of the posts I've read in this thread have really left me scratching my head. How the fuck can Dave Grohl and Graham Coxon be compared to Liam on this topic? Grohl was the fucking drummer and Coxon sang the odd song, I mean really? Come off it! So what ? A singer is not more important than a drummer, especially in those two bands. Grohl was very important in the Nirvana sound and Coxon shaped Blur's guitar sound, made it unique. Those two are way more important to their band that you can imagine. jeeeeez That'd be the same as saying Johnny Marr isn't important in the Smiths because he "is the fucking guitarist" or something.
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Post by Rolo on Oct 5, 2016 3:19:44 GMT -5
So what ? A singer is not more important than a drummer, especially in those two bands. Grohl was very important in the Nirvana sound and Coxon shaped Blur's guitar sound, made it unique. Those two are way more important to their band that you can imagine. jeeeeez That'd be the same as saying Johnny Marr isn't important in the Smiths because he "is the fucking guitarist" or something. Erm, what? Where have I said they are any less important as a band member? I'm on about that it's ridiculous to compare them to Liam as they weren't the singers of their bands. Liam sang the majority of songs so surely you can see why it would make more sense for him to want to play them at his own gigs? Just chill out and stop overthinking everything, as Oasis fans I can't understand why it bothers you, isn't it great to hear Liam singing them songs again?
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 5, 2016 3:48:26 GMT -5
You can´t really compare that all I think. Grohl an Coxon weren´t the singers. Cocker was, but I have no idea what he plays live tbh. Look at the other side, ex-members of Guns N Roses for example did GnR tunes all the time with their bands. Don´t think anybody said "That´s not their own songs, they shouldn´t do it" At their biggest gigs at their peak Oasis did 2 covers live at Maine Road. Never heard someone complaining. So why is it that big deal for a few people if Liam Gallagher does include a few tunes of HIS old band inbetween his new songs? Well, a band covering another band is a totally different matter. As i said before, if you want to be seen as a songwriter, the only smart decision is not to include songs written by your brother in your set, at least for the first few years. Especially when literally everyone knows you never wrote a note during your band's time of fame. Liam has been "the singer" in Oasis for the past 20 years, and taking songs from Noel (again, his Oasis songs should be in the set) sends the wrong message. Something like he needs Noel's hits to attract people to gigs, that his songs are not strong enough, that he's cashing in on Oasis fame... etc I dont know how to say it differently, seems pretty clear. I do understand what you mean. I just don't agree, or better said I don't see it as that big problem you and some other seem to do. It's not like he will re-record Noel written songs and release them. He just would do a few live. You think of them as Noels songs, I see them as Oasis songs he sang on albums and live for quite some time. He still is a songwriter then to me. It's like saying Noel is no singer cause he sings songs his brother did. Makes no real sense.
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Post by glider on Oct 5, 2016 4:59:03 GMT -5
by all means play Noel songs but only if Noels parts can be filled in properly by either Liam himself or by other backing singers, never liked beady eye playing morning glory with no "weeellls" or live forever without the falsetto parts, just highlights that Noel wasnt there when really Gem or andy shouldve stepped up to the plate or pick a song that you can perform to completion. surprised beady eye never did this one. What a abysmal performance. At least the jamming during Noel's chorus sounded nice.
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Post by carlober on Oct 5, 2016 5:12:12 GMT -5
by all means play Noel songs but only if Noels parts can be filled in properly by either Liam himself or by other backing singers, never liked beady eye playing morning glory with no "weeellls" or live forever without the falsetto parts, just highlights that Noel wasnt there when really Gem or andy shouldve stepped up to the plate or pick a song that you can perform to completion. surprised beady eye never did this one. What a abysmal performance. At least the jamming during Noel's chorus sounded nice. That's shockingly bad. I bet Liam was properly pissed that night. The insults at 1:02 are priceless
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Post by mossy on Oct 5, 2016 12:14:27 GMT -5
You can´t really compare that all I think. Grohl an Coxon weren´t the singers. Cocker was, but I have no idea what he plays live tbh. Look at the other side, ex-members of Guns N Roses for example did GnR tunes all the time with their bands. Don´t think anybody said "That´s not their own songs, they shouldn´t do it" At their biggest gigs at their peak Oasis did 2 covers live at Maine Road. Never heard someone complaining. So why is it that big deal for a few people if Liam Gallagher does include a few tunes of HIS old band inbetween his new songs? Well, a band covering another band is a totally different matter. As i said before, if you want to be seen as a songwriter, the only smart decision is not to include songs written by your brother in your set, at least for the first few years. Especially when literally everyone knows you never wrote a note during your band's time of fame. Liam has been "the singer" in Oasis for the past 20 years, and taking songs from Noel (again, his Oasis songs should be in the set) sends the wrong message. Something like he needs Noel's hits to attract people to gigs, that his songs are not strong enough, that he's cashing in on Oasis fame... etc I dont know how to say it differently, seems pretty clear. The thing is, he doesn't want to be seen as a songwriter: 1. He didn't want Oasis to split 2. He didn't go solo when Oasis split 3. He's said his bags are packed for if Oasis were to reform 4. He's releasing a solo album "with gritted teeth" while he waits for Oasis to reform It's quite clear that he would rather be singing Oasis classics to huge crowds than for people to be scratching their chins and considering him a serious songwriter.
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Post by glider on Oct 5, 2016 12:24:13 GMT -5
As long as he places more emphasis on his solo work, it's fine. Plus, I do feel he should sing his own Oasis penned tracks.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Oct 5, 2016 12:45:48 GMT -5
by all means play Noel songs but only if Noels parts can be filled in properly by either Liam himself or by other backing singers, never liked beady eye playing morning glory with no "weeellls" or live forever without the falsetto parts, just highlights that Noel wasnt there when really Gem or andy shouldve stepped up to the plate or pick a song that you can perform to completion. surprised beady eye never did this one. A bit crazy that they played this. They might aswell could have done Don't Look Back In Anger without Noel
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Post by andymorris on Oct 5, 2016 13:15:36 GMT -5
Well, a band covering another band is a totally different matter. As i said before, if you want to be seen as a songwriter, the only smart decision is not to include songs written by your brother in your set, at least for the first few years. Especially when literally everyone knows you never wrote a note during your band's time of fame. Liam has been "the singer" in Oasis for the past 20 years, and taking songs from Noel (again, his Oasis songs should be in the set) sends the wrong message. Something like he needs Noel's hits to attract people to gigs, that his songs are not strong enough, that he's cashing in on Oasis fame... etc I dont know how to say it differently, seems pretty clear. The thing is, he doesn't want to be seen as a songwriter: 1. He didn't want Oasis to split 2. He didn't go solo when Oasis split 3. He's said his bags are packed for if Oasis were to reform 4. He's releasing a solo album "with gritted teeth" while he waits for Oasis to reform It's quite clear that he would rather be singing Oasis classics to huge crowds than for people to be scratching their chins and considering him a serious songwriter. True, true. So then, why bother ? And on a more serious note: why should we bother ? We probably won't bother.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2016 13:37:25 GMT -5
The bottom line is no one will care bar a few hardcore fans. As long as his solo work is given proper attention the vast majority of people will be perfectly happy to see him sing those songs especially those songs that without a reunion have a good chance of never being performed live again. We can leave it to those few precious people on here to moan about it, for the rest of you, I'll see you at the gigs for a drink and a sing along.
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Post by mossy on Oct 5, 2016 13:49:32 GMT -5
The thing is, he doesn't want to be seen as a songwriter: 1. He didn't want Oasis to split 2. He didn't go solo when Oasis split 3. He's said his bags are packed for if Oasis were to reform 4. He's releasing a solo album "with gritted teeth" while he waits for Oasis to reform It's quite clear that he would rather be singing Oasis classics to huge crowds than for people to be scratching their chins and considering him a serious songwriter. True, true. So then, why bother ? And on a more serious note: why should we bother ? We probably won't bother. Are you being serious!? You saw the crowd reactions when BDI played Oasis right? The majority of people at the gigs were far more "bothered" about hearing Liam sing Oasis... You and a few others on this forum might have missed that cos you were at the bar at the time saying "what sell outs, they should be playing Little James." ;-P Edit: If you mean why bother releasing a solo album, obviously he still wants to put his songs out but would rather be doing that via Oasis with his 1-2 songs quota but in the absence of Oasis has to put his own album out entirely. I'd say his solo album is largely to allow him to tour because that's what he really enjoys. And he now realises his own name and own album is a bigger crowd draw than the more anonymous BDI.
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Post by supersonicdrain on Oct 5, 2016 14:04:24 GMT -5
Just let the man do what he wants to do, forget all this nonsense about who owns what songs or who's better at this than the other. If Liam wants to do music and I'll have at it. Wether it be Oasis or not.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 14:28:01 GMT -5
The bottom line is no one will care bar a few hardcore fans. As long as his solo work is given proper attention the vast majority of people will be perfectly happy to see him sing those songs especially those songs that without a reunion have a good chance of never being performed live again. We can leave it to those few precious people on here to moan about it, for the rest of you, I'll see you at the gigs for a drink and a sing along. Is stating your opinion considered moaning now? Geez, I thought this was a music forum on Oasis and Gallagher brother related projects. I gave Beady Eye and now Liam the upmost respect by saying play their own material. It's strong enough to stand on and develop without retreating to the Oasis tentpole songs. Same applies to Noel Gallagher. They don't need those songs.
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Post by mossy on Oct 5, 2016 14:30:19 GMT -5
All I know is when he does do these gigs I will be going and just enjoying them for what they are, I'll be excited to hear his new stuff and I know for a fact that when I hear the opening riff to Rock N Roll Star, I'll be jumping up and down like a lunatic. Bring it on! Hear, hear!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 14:36:26 GMT -5
Right. Some of the posts I've read in this thread have really left me scratching my head. How the fuck can Dave Grohl and Graham Coxon be compared to Liam on this topic? Grohl was the fucking drummer and Coxon sang the odd song, I mean really? Come off it! Liam brought the songs to life with his voice, I don't care what anyone says, them songs are as much Liam's as they are Noel's in my eyes. It's simple really, can you imagine if Definitely Maybe had Noel on lead vocals? Would the songs of took off like they did? Not a chance! Noel needed Liam and Liam needed Noel, that's all there is to it. I can't for the life of me get my head round people kicking up a fuss about Liam doing Oasis tunes at his gigs, this whole "Liam needs to find his own identity as a solo artist" I keep seeing is bullshit, why does he? No matter how well he does as a solo artist, he will still always be referred to as "that singer from Oasis".
To me there's no negatives in him doing them, the people who go to his gigs will get to go mental for a few songs when he blasts out an Oasis classic and for Liam, it will probably draw a few more people in as 99% of people who will be going to his solo gigs will be buzzing off the prospect of him playing "Supersonic" or "Live Forever". As an Oasis fan why wouldn't you? I really don't know. All I know is when he does do these gigs I will be going and just enjoying them for what they are, I'll be excited to hear his new stuff and I know for a fact that when I hear the opening riff to Rock N Roll Star, I'll be jumping up and down like a lunatic. Bring it on!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 14:37:34 GMT -5
All I know is when he does do these gigs I will be going and just enjoying them for what they are, I'll be excited to hear his new stuff and I know for a fact that when I hear the opening riff to Rock N Roll Star, I'll be jumping up and down like a lunatic. Bring it on! Hear, hear! 1995 sure was great!
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Post by andymorris on Oct 5, 2016 14:40:00 GMT -5
True, true. So then, why bother ? And on a more serious note: why should we bother ? We probably won't bother. Are you being serious!? You saw the crowd reactions when BDI played Oasis right? The majority of people at the gigs were far more "bothered" about hearing Liam sing Oasis... You and a few others on this forum might have missed that cos you were at the bar at the time saying "what sell outs, they should be playing Little James." ;-P Edit: If you mean why bother releasing a solo album, obviously he still wants to put his songs out but would rather be doing that via Oasis with his 1-2 songs quota but in the absence of Oasis has to put his own album out entirely. I'd say his solo album is largely to allow him to tour because that's what he really enjoys. And he now realises his own name and own album is a bigger crowd draw than the more anonymous BDI. Yeah that's what i meant. Why bother releasing a solo album if you only intend to attract people that want to hear Oasis tunes. Just tour playing the old tunes again and again and become a joke already, at least there wont be any surprises... As for the gigs, i stand by my opinion: If Liam plays Noel's songs, as you said, some / most people will be happy, but Liam won't do better than BDI, and he will still play 1500 people venues... the very same situation that led him to disband BDI. So yeah, 1500 people will be happy to hear him sing Wonderwall every night, but that won't be enough for Liam, or his wallet.
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