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Post by Jgrp on Oct 3, 2016 15:19:36 GMT -5
Play any oasis song. They're his as much as Noel's. Brings in the punters but will actually help people hear his own songs. Noel's always done half half. Liam can do the same no problem. The difference is Noel wrote those songs. He's got the ownership despite which brother actually sang them. Big difference. It's also a pride thing. Disagree. Yes officially owns them when it comes to legal matters. But Liam owns them just as much and has every right to sing them. If I sang a song for 20 years I'd happily sing it the rest of my life even if someone else wrote it. Thinking of it any other way is over thinking it. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 15:39:18 GMT -5
The difference is Noel wrote those songs. He's got the ownership despite which brother actually sang them. Big difference. It's also a pride thing. Disagree. Yes officially owns them when it comes to legal matters. But Liam owns them just as much and has every right to sing them. If I sang a song for 20 years I'd happily sing it the rest of my life even if someone else wrote it. Thinking of it any other way is over thinking it. IMO. of course it is. Dozens of well known artists perform songs not written by themselves... as you know, noel himself considering covers and ripoffs xD.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 15:43:56 GMT -5
I found it kind of funny that beady eye went out and refused to play oasis tracks which was ballsy as shit yet when they put 2...count them 2 tracks in their setlist people said they were a failure and needed the oasis tracks to hold them up yet Noel filled half his set with oasis tracks in 2011-2012 and still puts in more than 2 even now and yet its perfectly fine, yea its his songs and beady eye probably shouldnt of played Noels songs as they had some good ones of their own, especially not songs like morning glory that had huge vocal gaps where Noel wasnt singing but even so why is Liam singing oasis tracks such a no no when Noel still relies on them to fill a good section of his setlist? just because Noel wrote them doesnt mean shit to me, rock n roll star wouldnt be half as great without Liam blasting it out, its not even got a 2nd verse. In fairness, Noel's solo material is better than 95% of Beady Eye's output. ----- Also, could you possibly mix in the occasional period. Thanks in advance. Has Noel released a solo album I haven't heard?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 3, 2016 15:46:34 GMT -5
^ Tom Jones comes to mind.
However, I understand where Lennon is coming from with the pride thing. Liam doing Oasis songs, even more so Oasis songs written by Noel, is basically admitting that his own material isn't good enough and that he knows he won't sell out gigs if it weren't for the Oasis songs. Also that whole "Fuck Noel, I can do it all on my own" attitude is a bit hypocritical if you then decide to sing his songs.
I personally am not against him singing Oasis songs, as long as he sounds good. Shitloads of artists cover Oasis, so why not the actual singer of Oasis? I'd just rather he stuck to his own material. Why not perform the Oasis songs YOU wrote?
As with more Oasis related things, I've got mixed feelings about this.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 15:48:19 GMT -5
Play any oasis song. They're his as much as Noel's. Brings in the punters but will actually help people hear his own songs. Noel's always done half half. Liam can do the same no problem. The difference is Noel wrote those songs. He's got the ownership despite which brother actually sang them. Big difference. It's also a pride thing. I think this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what made Oasis great. It won't have anything to do with pride as far as Liam goes or who has there name of the legal document. Why does Noel not perform Rock n Roll Star or C&A or Morning Glory?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 15:55:30 GMT -5
The difference is Noel wrote those songs. He's got the ownership despite which brother actually sang them. Big difference. It's also a pride thing. I think this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what made Oasis great. It won't have anything to do with pride as far as Liam goes or who has there name of the legal document. Why does Noel not perform Rock n Roll Star or C&A or Morning Glory? Who is talking Oasis? I always prefer both Liam and Noel to focus on their solo material first and foremost. If they have to play Oasis songs, play the ones you wrote. Liam does enough slagging off of Noel, he should show some pride and rock out with his songs.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 16:04:17 GMT -5
I think this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what made Oasis great. It won't have anything to do with pride as far as Liam goes or who has there name of the legal document. Why does Noel not perform Rock n Roll Star or C&A or Morning Glory? Who is talking Oasis? I always prefer both Liam and Noel to focus on their solo material first and foremost. If they have to play Oasis songs, play the ones you wrote. Liam does enough slagging off of Noel, he should show some pride and rock out with his songs. Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 16:05:20 GMT -5
The difference is Noel wrote those songs. He's got the ownership despite which brother actually sang them. Big difference. It's also a pride thing. Disagree. Yes officially owns them when it comes to legal matters. But Liam owns them just as much and has every right to sing them. If I sang a song for 20 years I'd happily sing it the rest of my life even if someone else wrote it. Thinking of it any other way is over thinking it. IMO. He can sing Oasis songs all day long until he is blue in the face. That is not my point. He's trying to launch a new solo career (same applied to Beady Eye). Focus on your fresh/new material. Become your own brand and style. Slagging off Noel constantly but then singing Noel written Oasis songs down the road seems odd to me. That's just my take. I'd honestly prefer if both brothers did zero Oasis material on their tours. I loved when Beady Eye did no Oasis songs on the DGSS tours. I loved that they believed in their debut album enough to only play that.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 16:05:53 GMT -5
Disagree. Yes officially owns them when it comes to legal matters. But Liam owns them just as much and has every right to sing them. If I sang a song for 20 years I'd happily sing it the rest of my life even if someone else wrote it. Thinking of it any other way is over thinking it. IMO. of course it is. Dozens of well known artists perform songs not written by themselves... as you know, noel himself considering covers and ripoffs xD. He can sing Oasis songs all day long until he is blue in the face. That is not my point. He's trying to launch a new solo career (same applied to Beady Eye). Focus on your fresh/new material. Become your own brand and style. Slagging off Noel constantly but then singing Noel written Oasis songs down the road seems odd to me. That's just my take. I'd honestly prefer if both brothers did zero Oasis material on their tours. I loved when Beady Eye did no Oasis songs on the DGSS tours. I loved that they believed in their debut album enough to only play that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 16:09:39 GMT -5
Who is talking Oasis? I always prefer both Liam and Noel to focus on their solo material first and foremost. If they have to play Oasis songs, play the ones you wrote. Liam does enough slagging off of Noel, he should show some pride and rock out with his songs. Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Oh Tom, how I've missed your playful banter.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 16:10:33 GMT -5
Who is talking Oasis? I always prefer both Liam and Noel to focus on their solo material first and foremost. If they have to play Oasis songs, play the ones you wrote. Liam does enough slagging off of Noel, he should show some pride and rock out with his songs. Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 16:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Oct 3, 2016 16:16:57 GMT -5
^ Tom Jones comes to mind. However, I understand where Lennon is coming from with the pride thing. Liam doing Oasis songs, even more so Oasis songs written by Noel, is basically admitting that his own material isn't good enough and that he knows he won't sell out gigs if it weren't for the Oasis songs. Also that whole "Fuck Noel, I can do it all on my own" attitude is a bit hypocritical if you then decide to sing his songs.
I personally am not against him singing Oasis songs, as long as he sounds good. Shitloads of artists cover Oasis, so why not the actual singer of Oasis? I'd just rather he stuck to his own material. Why not perform the Oasis songs YOU wrote?
As with more Oasis related things, I've got mixed feelings about this. I don't know if Liam is admitting that his material isn't good enough if he plays Oasis songs. That's reading a bit too much into it. Noel played Oasis songs, and it soon became clear that his solo material was good enough and sold enough that he could probably survive without Oasis songs. However, I do agree with the bottom portion. It's incredibly hypocritical for Liam to throw-up a fuss over Noel's hinderance and then play the songs he wrote. Especially when Liam clearly wrote a few good songs with Oasis, one, Songbird, becoming a massive latter day hit. Want to make this clear. He has ever write to play those songs. However, it does come off as hypocritical. One thing that has worried me about this solo gig for Liam is the fact that it really does come off as flippant. Like he's doing it because he doesn't know what else to do. It doesn't feel like he REALLY wants to be a solo artist in any of the interviews. Instead, there have been a few comments about him waiting around for Oasis to get back together, but not really waiting around, so he's going to try this solo thing out for a bit. When Noel started his career, he hedged his bets in terms of how successful the project would be, but you could tell he wanted to do it. You could tell he was leaving the idea of getting back into Oasis behind (like when he complained that people thought he'd do one solo album, have his fun, then come back. The response was directed toward journalists, but I've always wondered if it was somewhat directed at Liam too) because in the end, it would have started his solo career on the wrong foot, made it a joke, and hindered whatever chance he had of legitimately going solo. I would be more encouraged with him going solo, if he really committed as said, "This is it. This is who I am. This is going to work, and it's not a fly by night thing. Oasis died, and if I play any songs, there'll be songs that I wrote because I made some good music there and now." In my opinion, Liam has intimate the quite the opposite of that feeling.
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Post by carlober on Oct 3, 2016 16:21:01 GMT -5
I do get Lennon2217's point, but to be brutally honest I wouldn't mind hearing Liam singing some classic Oasis tunes. That said, in my opinion he needs to shake up the things a bit, i.e. get a backing band which doesn't sound like a cheap Oasis knockoff and maybe try some different arrangements (which could also suit his current vocal condition better), a bit like what Noel did with CS. I'm not saying he should do an acoustic version of DYKWIM of course... just try something a bit different. Make the song yours. I doubt Liam could do it alone but a few carefully selected people could well help in the process.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 3, 2016 16:22:00 GMT -5
Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. Because it makes it a lot easier to make it fit into a narrative. Once again, it's amazing how anti-Noel threads essentially have members who willing out Noel, take a generally pragmatic approach, and really actually talks about his flaws without completely absolving them. The second it's a Liam thread then everything is hyper sensitized to the point that even balanced opinions are thrown out
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 16:22:07 GMT -5
Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. Yeah its a pride and confidence issue for you and some people but very few others who are buying the records and going to gigs. Its likely to attract more than it is to turn away because most people don't worry about it that much. If anything the new Oasis film shows just how much things like ideas like ownership are totally irrelevant to what Oasis were. Maybe when you watch it and see Liam singing Champagne Supernova at Rockfield studios it will click.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 3, 2016 16:23:13 GMT -5
Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. or liam might just wanna sell out a bit and make some money. noel has defo sold out and 2 albums and extra tracks deep plays 1/2 set of oasis 90's tunes .. yeah he can play what he wants as he wrote them but he plays them to fill venues, and not play the tunes he wants (i.e. alone on rope etc which he tried to make happen) ..So not cos he's got pride in his solo career. Pretty much everyone month (even tho noel plays tho songs) the press always rumouring and people clambouring for a reunion etc. so really why shouldn't liam do the same? he didnt write the songs but to the casual fans (which sell 1/2 of noels gig tickets) they dont care who wrote them they just want to hear them live again or first time ever. liam even today in the same breathe of solo career said he'd reform oasis.. not gonna happen soon so go the way of noel and live off that era where they both were as important as each other, everyone loves and in middle of gig wont care who wrote them
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 16:25:51 GMT -5
Well we are apparently since you have a problem with Liam singing Oasis songs. Liam will focus on his own material I would expect as they did in Beady Eye when they played a paltry two Oasis songs and weird people lost there shit about it. Slagging off Noel has nothing to do with Liam doing songs he made his own and that Noel hasn't even played because of that association. Oh Tom, how I've missed your playful banter. Well at least its playful. You actually contribute nothing in these sections.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 3, 2016 16:26:32 GMT -5
Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. Yeah its a pride and confidence issue for you and some people but very few others who are buying the records and going to gigs. Its likely to attract more than it is to turn away because most people don't worry about it that much. If anything the new Oasis film shows just how much things like ideas like ownership are totally irrelevant to what Oasis were. Maybe when you watch it and see Liam singing Champagne Supernova at Rockfield studios it will click. I feel like you're really misinterpreting Lennon, Tom. Especially with the last line of this post.
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Post by Jack on Oct 3, 2016 16:32:23 GMT -5
The only downside I can think of from Liam singing DLBIA live, is not being able to hear his voice amongst every member of the audience shouting along to the lyrics.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 16:39:07 GMT -5
Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. Yeah its a pride and confidence issue for you and some people but very few others who are buying the records and going to gigs. Its likely to attract more than it is to turn away because most people don't worry about it that much. If anything the new Oasis film shows just how much things like ideas like ownership are totally irrelevant to what Oasis were. Maybe when you watch it and see Liam singing Champagne Supernova at Rockfield studios it will click. Like I said, it's only my own opinion and personal take. I know it's not for all. Can't wait to watch that Liam performance from Rockfield studios. I knew the 11 times I saw Oasis live (which for an American has to be a record number ) that I was missing something.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 3, 2016 16:42:56 GMT -5
Yeah its a pride and confidence issue for you and some people but very few others who are buying the records and going to gigs. Its likely to attract more than it is to turn away because most people don't worry about it that much. If anything the new Oasis film shows just how much things like ideas like ownership are totally irrelevant to what Oasis were. Maybe when you watch it and see Liam singing Champagne Supernova at Rockfield studios it will click. Like I said, it's only my own opinion and personal take. I know it's not for all. Can't wait to watch that Liam performance from Rockfield studios. I knew the 11 times I saw Oasis live (which for an American has to be a record number ) that I was missing something. Its magic, you'll love it. Both brothers are excellent and there supporting cast.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 3, 2016 16:43:22 GMT -5
Why is it whenever I say this stuff people only focus on the Liam part. I also always mention Noel in these statements. I gave Beady Eye and Liam great credit for focusing on their own material over Oasis songs. I do feel that its better to play stuff they wrote than not. Again for me its a pride and confidence issue. I could be wrong but that is just me. Nobody else. or liam might just wanna sell out a bit and make some money. noel has defo sold out and 2 albums and extra tracks deep plays 1/2 set of oasis 90's tunes .. yeah he can play what he wants as he wrote them but he plays them to fill venues, and not play the tunes he wants (i.e. alone on rope etc which he tried to make happen) ..So not cos he's got pride in his solo career. Pretty much everyone month (even tho noel plays tho songs) the press always rumouring and people clambouring for a reunion etc. so really why shouldn't liam do the same? he didnt write the songs but to the casual fans (which sell 1/2 of noels gig tickets) they dont care who wrote them they just want to hear them live again or first time ever. liam even today in the same breathe of solo career said he'd reform oasis.. not gonna happen soon so go the way of noel and live off that era where they both were as important as each other, everyone loves and in middle of gig wont care who wrote them Like I said, it was only my personal opinion. I share the same views on BOTH Liam and Noel. I've seen Oasis enough in my life. I got my thrill. I was lucky. Now I'm on to their new careers and output. I'm all in on no Oasis songs. I never thought it would serve Beady Eye well. I stated 4-5 years ago that the moment they play a Noel written Oasis song, I give the band 12 months tops. That's what ended up happening. Probably a coincidence but it was my belief at the time. If Noel never played another Oasis song live at his gigs I'd be perfectly fine. Both brothers are fine with out the tent pole Oasis songs. If they believe and trust their material it'll show at the gigs.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 3, 2016 17:04:37 GMT -5
or liam might just wanna sell out a bit and make some money. noel has defo sold out and 2 albums and extra tracks deep plays 1/2 set of oasis 90's tunes .. yeah he can play what he wants as he wrote them but he plays them to fill venues, and not play the tunes he wants (i.e. alone on rope etc which he tried to make happen) ..So not cos he's got pride in his solo career. Pretty much everyone month (even tho noel plays tho songs) the press always rumouring and people clambouring for a reunion etc. so really why shouldn't liam do the same? he didnt write the songs but to the casual fans (which sell 1/2 of noels gig tickets) they dont care who wrote them they just want to hear them live again or first time ever. liam even today in the same breathe of solo career said he'd reform oasis.. not gonna happen soon so go the way of noel and live off that era where they both were as important as each other, everyone loves and in middle of gig wont care who wrote them Like I said, it was only my personal opinion. I share the same views on BOTH Liam and Noel. I've seen Oasis enough in my life. I got my thrill. I was lucky. Now I'm on to their new careers and output. I'm all in on no Oasis songs. I never thought it would serve Beady Eye well. I stated 4-5 years ago that the moment they play a Noel written Oasis song, I give the band 12 months tops. That's what ended up happening. Probably a coincidence but it was my belief at the time. If Noel never played another Oasis song live at his gigs I'd be perfectly fine. Both brothers are fine with out the tent pole Oasis songs. If they believe and trust their material it'll show at the gigs. I'm sure back in HFB early days you remember everyone was saying album 2 for noel will only play 1-2 oasis songs? cos everyone thought he was serious about being as solo artist but he moved basically the other way.. So the point is noel isnt touring for his fans, people like you or me he's touring for casuals selling out an arena .. .So if liam can make an album make some cash following same route fair play edit idk why you highlighted BOTH?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 17:25:14 GMT -5
^ Tom Jones comes to mind. However, I understand where Lennon is coming from with the pride thing. Liam doing Oasis songs, even more so Oasis songs written by Noel, is basically admitting that his own material isn't good enough and that he knows he won't sell out gigs if it weren't for the Oasis songs. Also that whole "Fuck Noel, I can do it all on my own" attitude is a bit hypocritical if you then decide to sing his songs. I personally am not against him singing Oasis songs, as long as he sounds good. Shitloads of artists cover Oasis, so why not the actual singer of Oasis? I'd just rather he stuck to his own material. Why not perform the Oasis songs YOU wrote? As with more Oasis related things, I've got mixed feelings about this. I see your point, but on the other hand he says every time he cans that he still wants to be in oasis, and still wants to perform those songs. He is almost saying that he would tour tomorrow despite his solo album if Noel would agree to do so. The guy is showing love for Oasis 24/7. I think that singing oasis songs, rather than being hypocritical fits perfectly with his narrative. I prefer this than Noels nowdays attitude, saying half of what they did is crap, doing little fan service, but still milking the cow.
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