|
Post by mossy on Jul 26, 2016 12:47:57 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 1:51:40 GMT -5
I'm excited for an Liam record.
They are right about Noel by the way.
|
|
|
Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 27, 2016 5:34:38 GMT -5
The point I never get when people discuss Liam's music is all this rock'n'roll talk. I mean, have these guys actually listened to his songs? They're ballads (or not very rocking tunes) for the most part. And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, it's just that I find the notion that "Liam brings the menace and the rock" only applies to live performances and not to his songwriting, which has been extremely safe and rooted in tradition until now.
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Jul 27, 2016 5:38:33 GMT -5
Liam's solo record will sound exactly like Lennon's Plastic Ono Band, if all the songs sound like the ones they are linking to.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 6:13:51 GMT -5
Liams songwriting is samey, you listen to songs like BWTBs and this new one "its alright now" they follow very similar patterns and most of his tracks are lennonesque.
Liams rock n roll but more in his delivery but his songs arnt really rock n roll, andy wrote the more rock n roll tracks of beady eye.
again its the reason oasis was successful, Noel made the music and Liam delivered it, without one of them you either get Noels more laid back and less edgy approach or you get Liam without much substance.
I remember that kylie minogue thing in about 2000? Liam shouted out to her something along the lines of "write your own songs" but Liam had all his hits penned for him up until that point, just because it was his brother who was also in the band doesnt really make it any different.
theres nothing wrong with Liam getting in a songwriter (in fact I kind of hope thats the case) but youve got to take the criticism that will come with that.
like I said before, I just hope that lennon tweet isnt a clue of whats to come otherwise we are probably looking at beady eye 2.0 featuring only Liam and thats not good considering Gem and Andy likely wrote most of the better and more rock n roll stuff across those 2 albums.
|
|
|
Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 27, 2016 6:52:00 GMT -5
....who the fuck wrote this ****?
|
|
|
Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 27, 2016 6:54:20 GMT -5
The point I never get when people discuss Liam's music is all this rock'n'roll talk. I mean, have these guys actually listened to his songs? They're ballads (or not very rocking tunes) for the most part. And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, it's just that I find the notion that "Liam brings the menace and the rock" only applies to live performances and not to his songwriting, which has been extremely safe and rooted in tradition until now. Even the live performances bit is arguable. I mean, he just stands still and doesn't really say anything "rocking" and "menacing", does he? This isn't criticism towards Liam, by the way. Just stating a fact.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 6:55:50 GMT -5
Liam brings his Songbird, Guess God Thinks I'm Abel, Little James. Look out, here's the menace coming.
|
|
|
Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 27, 2016 7:00:33 GMT -5
The point I never get when people discuss Liam's music is all this rock'n'roll talk. I mean, have these guys actually listened to his songs? They're ballads (or not very rocking tunes) for the most part. And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, it's just that I find the notion that "Liam brings the menace and the rock" only applies to live performances and not to his songwriting, which has been extremely safe and rooted in tradition until now. Even the live performances bit is arguable. I mean, he just stands still and doesn't really say anything "rocking" and "menacing", does he? This isn't criticism towards Liam, by the way. Just stating a fact. Maybe "rocking" is not the most appropriate term, but he does have a unique and charismatic stage presence. Especially considering he barely does anything remarkable on stage.
|
|
|
Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 27, 2016 7:04:01 GMT -5
Even the live performances bit is arguable. I mean, he just stands still and doesn't really say anything "rocking" and "menacing", does he? This isn't criticism towards Liam, by the way. Just stating a fact. Maybe "rocking" is not the most appropriate term, but he does have a unique and charismatic stage presence. Especially considering he barely does anything remarkable on stage. Yeah, but that's something else. And something I definitely agree with.
|
|
|
Post by mystoryisgory on Jul 27, 2016 15:45:18 GMT -5
If Liam did another record with Dave Sitek, he might be able to create an album better than BE. He's always been best at writing Lennon-esque, soulful acoustic shuffles, which went rather well with Sitek's spacey production (ex: Soul Love, Don't Brother Me, Start Anew, The World's Not Set in Stone). It was Andy and Gem's rock songs that weighed down BE because they didn't translate well with the cosmic vibes, making it a weaker album than it should have been.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 15:52:03 GMT -5
If Liam did another record with Dave Sitek, he might be able to create an album better than BE. He's always been best at writing Lennon-esque, soulful acoustic shuffles, which went rather well with Sitek's spacey production (ex: Soul Love, Don't Brother Me, Start Anew, The World's Not Set in Stone). It was Andy and Gem's rock songs that weighed down BE because they didn't translate well with the cosmic vibes, making it a weaker album than it should have been. Exactly, Face The Crowd, Iz Rite and I'm Just Saying (I like the last one) are the Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar from BE.
|
|
|
Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 27, 2016 16:45:08 GMT -5
I do wish he'd drift from Lennon rock. Make something that sounds modern. BE was an improvement on that, but not entirely there.
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Jul 28, 2016 4:01:05 GMT -5
If Liam did another record with Dave Sitek, he might be able to create an album better than BE. He's always been best at writing Lennon-esque, soulful acoustic shuffles, which went rather well with Sitek's spacey production (ex: Soul Love, Don't Brother Me, Start Anew, The World's Not Set in Stone). It was Andy and Gem's rock songs that weighed down BE because they didn't translate well with the cosmic vibes, making it a weaker album than it should have been. Exactly, Face The Crowd, Iz Rite and I'm Just Saying (I like the last one) are the Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar from BE. I like Iz Rite, dont know why everyone hates it Anyway, i kinda agree, Andy's pseudo Oasis rock tunes arent good. If Be was only Liam, it would really work, as a good record, not a great one though. Flick Of The Finger xxx rock tune Soul Love Evil Eye The World's Not Set In Stone Don't Brother Me Shine A Light Dreaming Of Some Space xxx epic tune Start Anew The problem is Liam cant really write rock songs, he doesn't have that in him. But his songwriting as evolved since the early days, so there is hope for his solo album.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 4:10:35 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin"
|
|
|
Post by Rolo on Jul 28, 2016 4:22:50 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin" I remember we were all shitting ourselves about that performance because Liam was doing some of the worse vocals he'd ever done a few days before at Ibiza Rocks I believe? Not to mention Iz Rite is a hard song to sing. Turned out quite good. Love the ''say it again'' parts.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 4:30:11 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin" I remember we were all shitting ourselves about that performance because Liam was doing some of the worse vocals he'd ever done a few days before at Ibiza Rocks I believe? Not to mention Iz Rite is a hard song to sing. Turned out quite good. Love the ''say it again'' parts. wasnt a bad performance for todays Liam, well and rested Liam tends to be the way he sounds there so its probably the best he couldve sounded especially on a song like that but again it was a weird single, iz rite was pushed as the main song but then soul love got the music video, pointless single all in all, probably cost more than the whole album at that time, would love to know how many it sold. this was after the return in november I think after they took that 3 month break because Gems injury and Liams marital issues.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 6:15:29 GMT -5
I hope he does something like Four Letter Word. It's definitely my favourite post-Oasis song.
I dunno, Flick of the Finger is very different and I wouldn't mind if keeps going to that direction, because that's a fucking great song too.
|
|
|
Post by bastardnumber1 on Jul 28, 2016 11:39:13 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin" That version made me like the song actually....
|
|
|
Post by andymorris on Jul 29, 2016 2:47:31 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin" I remember we were all shitting ourselves about that performance because Liam was doing some of the worse vocals he'd ever done a few days before at Ibiza Rocks I believe? Not to mention Iz Rite is a hard song to sing. Turned out quite good. Love the ''say it again'' parts. Iz Rite is the best non-Noel penned rock tunes from those boys to be honest, with Four Letter Word. Sure, it lacks Noel's greatness, but melodically, it's quite good. There is just that little thing missing that makes Noel's songs great and those guys' songs just okay. Maybe better backing vox on the chorus or something would have pushed that song higher.
|
|
|
Post by space75gr on Jul 29, 2016 5:16:27 GMT -5
i dont like Liam's fast 'rnr' songs but i LOVE all his ballads and gentle, acoustic songs. imo, a ballad or an acoustic track, when it comes to Liam, can really turn to a real RNR moment! RNR is not always about the speed or the noise. It's about the attitude, the passion, the honesty, the colour of the voice, the feelings...
f.e., is ''Rockin Chair'' a RNR tune? definitely not technically but in my ears it sounds like a raw+ emotional RNL moment that brings everything we really need from that genre. Same about Nirana's "Dump" or Smashing Pumpkins "Disarm" or even Oasis ''Born On A Different Cloud'' to name a few.
it s Liam charisma that turns a soft, gentle tune to a RNR level and emotion, so i m waiting for his solo(?)work and i hope for more ''i m outta time/sonbird/startAne etc'' moments than TMOS/SAL/FTC (craps).
|
|
|
Post by Rolo on Jul 29, 2016 11:01:01 GMT -5
One thing Liam has in his locker is the ability to come up with a great melody. I wouldn't mind an acoustic solo album from Liam tbh.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 11:44:24 GMT -5
The production will have a big importance. Because you can't expect Liam to come up with anything else than Lennonesque type of songs. It's in his veins, I'm not sure he could come up with anything else.
The production will be the most important thing to make the tunes sound more "more" and "fresher".
However, I think the songwriting quality MUST come first. For instance, Noel. Everyone seems to like ITHOTM, BOTMI, WAL, as they sound "modern". For me, they're lazy songwriting for Noel's standards. None of them will make my top 15 HFB tunes. These are some of the worst singles he has ever written, along the HC ones. On the other hand, While The Song Remains and Riverman have fresh productions and they are both quite good songwriting.
In the case of Liam, of course nobody wants a new dated record. But the most important will always stay the songwriting.
|
|
|
Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 29, 2016 13:25:10 GMT -5
iz rite is fine until the chorus then that age old problem of beady eye and their choruses starts coming out the woodwork.. "when you call my naaaaaaame...it takes away my paaaaaiiin" Can't listen to Iz Right without cringing. This is all I hear.
|
|
|
Post by The Invisible Sun on Jul 29, 2016 13:43:11 GMT -5
I hate to be a Debbie Downer here, but when was Liam's last truly good vocal performance? I know there were some really good moments during Beady Eye, but even those were still pretty nasally, just less so than normal.
When was the last time he sang without his nose?
Also, Iz Rite would be complimented by a lead ukulele, I think. I wish they would have done that in an acoustic performance.
|
|