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Post by Jgrp on Feb 5, 2020 11:54:56 GMT -5
I do find it weird how they always seem to release music around the same time and play festivals at similar times
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Post by oneofus on Feb 5, 2020 12:58:22 GMT -5
I wish there was a billionaire who's a massive Oasis fan and decided to offer them a shitload of money for a one-off lol.
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Post by Jgrp on Feb 5, 2020 13:22:47 GMT -5
I’m not fussed on an oasis reunion. Maybe I should be. But Liam is just on fire. It’s fresh but still some classicness. And he’s mixing things up way more than oasis ever would so I say keep going solo Liam
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Post by igotflair on Feb 5, 2020 13:27:27 GMT -5
I’m not fussed on an oasis reunion. Maybe I should be. But Liam is just on fire. It’s fresh but still some classicness. And he’s mixing things up way more than oasis ever would so I say keep going solo Liam +1
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 5, 2020 13:40:39 GMT -5
Win/Win for both IMO. And considering Liam's Once video has blows BMR out of the water in terms of views and coverage Wow you're not joking. Once - 1.3 million views Blue Moon Rising - 158K views Incredible considering that Once isn't even a brand new song like BMR. It's not that incredible after you hear both songs.
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Post by jeffrey on Feb 5, 2020 15:13:40 GMT -5
To me, if Noel is bothering to make a video, its a single, and should be judged as such. Of course it's a single. But it's a single off a third EP that's coming out between albums, with some remixes. It's like comparing Billie Eilish's "Everything I Wanted" to whatever Adele's next lead single will be; one will obviously do better than the other, because of the contexts that the artist released them in. One is a single in-between projects, the other is a pre-album single from an LP proper. Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Feb 5, 2020 16:09:56 GMT -5
Of course it's a single. But it's a single off a third EP that's coming out between albums, with some remixes. It's like comparing Billie Eilish's "Everything I Wanted" to whatever Adele's next lead single will be; one will obviously do better than the other, because of the contexts that the artist released them in. One is a single in-between projects, the other is a pre-album single from an LP proper. Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Feb 5, 2020 16:32:49 GMT -5
Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me You're comparing a two year old album to an album 4 months into is release cycle that is still being promoted and can add overall sales ?
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Post by jeffrey on Feb 5, 2020 16:44:25 GMT -5
Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me First off, a lot of fans bought/downloaded WBTM solely because it was a Noel record so a lot of those numbers will be from people like me who blindly bought anything he put out. There’s no way you can argue that his popularity has plummeted since 2017. And in response to WBTM outselling WMWN, album sales have steadily decreased every year in favor of streaming. It’s very hard to argue that his new material is reaching less and less people as the data is evident.
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 5, 2020 16:44:43 GMT -5
Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me I can only speak for myself but I really bought Who Built The Moon out of loyalty to the Gallaghers. I despised Holy Mountain but wanted to give the album a go because it's Noel and the title track and the opening song are great but the rest is pretty shit imo. I'm making a sweeping generalisation here but I agree with Jeffrey that the goodwill that Noel built up over the past few decades has eroded quite a lot in recent years. He has had trouble selling out a gig in Manchester, the last I heard.
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 5, 2020 16:51:50 GMT -5
If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me I can only speak for myself but I really bought Who Built The Moon out of loyalty to the Gallaghers. I despised Holy Mountain but wanted to give the album a go because it's Noel and the title track and the opening song are great but the rest is pretty shit imo. I'm making a sweeping generalisation here but I agree with Jeffrey that the goodwill that Noel built up over the past few decades has eroded quite a lot in recent years. He has had trouble selling out a gig in Manchester, the last I heard. A 3500 capacity gig!
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 5, 2020 21:08:31 GMT -5
Of course it's a single. But it's a single off a third EP that's coming out between albums, with some remixes. It's like comparing Billie Eilish's "Everything I Wanted" to whatever Adele's next lead single will be; one will obviously do better than the other, because of the contexts that the artist released them in. One is a single in-between projects, the other is a pre-album single from an LP proper. Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. Nah. Most people who buy Noel Gallagher albums aren't like us, they're casual fans who pick up the album when it comes up on Apple Music or a YouTube advert or see him on Graham Norton or something. These EPs have been low-key releases with little promotion, filled with remixes and left-overs from previous albums. Anyone expecting them to do as well as videos for Liam's pre-album singles is living in a dream-world. And, in the end, it doesn't matter. I'd trade Noel never getting 1M on a YouTube video ever again for another song as good as Holy Mountain. I just wanna feel the noise.
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Post by jeffrey on Feb 5, 2020 21:31:18 GMT -5
Noel has promoted these singles, made videos, etc. His fans are absolutely aware he’s releasing new music and he’s made it incredibly easy for the public to discover his music by opening an app or clicking a link. The main reason there’s a massive discrepancy in views/streams/downloads is because an enormous amount of fans he acquired throughout Oasis and his first two HFB albums have become casual fans or given up on him. Conversely, the new stuff isn’t good enough to attract legions of new fans. If it was great, people would take to it. Also have to mention that his personality and attitude over the past 3-4 years has turned people off. If someone would’ve told me in 2015 that I would dislike 90% of Noel’s music from 2017-2020 (and likely beyond), it would’ve been unimaginable. There probably aren’t 1,000 bigger Oasis/Gallagher fans in the world than I am, but I can be realistic. This era of Noel is BAD, in my opinion. And yes, like it or not, the low views/downloads are because the public in general don’t like what he’s doing and neither do a lot of lifelong fans. Nah. Most people who buy Noel Gallagher albums aren't like us, they're casual fans who pick up the album when it comes up on Apple Music or a YouTube advert or see him on Graham Norton or something. These EPs have been low-key releases with little promotion, filled with remixes and left-overs from previous albums. Anyone expecting them to do as well as videos for Liam's pre-album singles is living in a dream-world. And, in the end, it doesn't matter. I'd trade Noel never getting 1M on a YouTube video ever again for another song as good as Holy Mountain. I just wanna feel the noise. Touché. We’re all entitled to our own opinions. I genuinely wish I could reverse time and un-hear holy mountain.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 6, 2020 6:46:18 GMT -5
I do find it weird how they always seem to release music around the same time and play festivals at similar times I mean, that's because the festivals are on at the same time... In terms of releasing the music, it's just how it's done. There's certain times of the year when albums are released. Most are between Feb and April. Then between Sept and November. It's all geared towards a) sales (when are people most likely to purchase), b) tours (i.e. release an album in spring and you can do festival dates/big summer shows right off the bat) and c) promotional opportunities. I don't mean this to sound at all condescending and I'm by no way an expert on the music industry, but it's genuinely just coincidence down to how these things work out, really.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 6, 2020 6:47:22 GMT -5
I’m not fussed on an oasis reunion. Maybe I should be. But Liam is just on fire. It’s fresh but still some classicness. And he’s mixing things up way more than oasis ever would so I say keep going solo Liam Couldn't agree more - for both brothers. Neither of them need it. Not one bit.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Feb 6, 2020 8:40:25 GMT -5
If neither lifelong fans nor the general public like what he is doing, why WBTM sold very well (better than WMWN for instance) , got a Mercury normination and his best reviews since the 90s ? It's ok if you don't like Noel's new direction but pretending that nobody likes it and judging his success by the repercusion of between-albums EPs seems a bit of a stretch to me First off, a lot of fans bought/downloaded WBTM solely because it was a Noel record so a lot of those numbers will be from people like me who blindly bought anything he put out. There’s no way you can argue that his popularity has plummeted since 2017. And in response to WBTM outselling WMWN, album sales have steadily decreased every year in favor of streaming. It’s very hard to argue that his new material is reaching less and less people as the data is evident. No offense, but there is no way WBTM sales can be explained by some people blindly buying everything Noel releases, even if they hate it. The same with Holy Mountain: many people in the forum hate it, but it charted for 10 weeks and was a clear sucess for Noel (given his scale). As others mentioned, perceptions may be very different outside our small circle of die-hard fans. Regarding the comparison with WMWN I think now streaming is counted in sales so I honestly don't know if numbers keep decreasing or, if they do, in enough proportion to justify the difference in initial sales (I think WBTM was above 220k at week 18 and WMWN at 150k). But it does not change my point. You can also take chart history and you will see a similar story: AYW was significantly more sucessful than WBTM but WMWN is not. Of course I am talking about their run/success in the first months after release. I cannot know the future, but I would say they will end up roughly at the same level, all things considered. And, of course, this is not at all a dig at WMWN, a solid record I like, and no doubt a commercial success. My point is only that WBTM had similar commercial success, no matter what some people here seems to believe.
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Post by jeffrey on Feb 6, 2020 11:34:48 GMT -5
First off, a lot of fans bought/downloaded WBTM solely because it was a Noel record so a lot of those numbers will be from people like me who blindly bought anything he put out. There’s no way you can argue that his popularity has plummeted since 2017. And in response to WBTM outselling WMWN, album sales have steadily decreased every year in favor of streaming. It’s very hard to argue that his new material is reaching less and less people as the data is evident. No offense, but there is no way WBTM sales can be explained by some people blindly buying everything Noel releases, even if they hate it. The same with Holy Mountain: many people in the forum hate it, but it charted for 10 weeks and was a clear sucess for Noel (given his scale). As others mentioned, perceptions may be very different outside our small circle of die-hard fans. Regarding the comparison with WMWN I think now streaming is counted in sales so I honestly don't know if numbers keep decreasing or, if they do, in enough proportion to justify the difference in initial sales (I think WBTM was above 220k at week 18 and WMWN at 150k). But it does not change my point. You can also take chart history and you will see a similar story: AYW was significantly more sucessful than WBTM but WMWN is not. Of course I am talking about their run/success in the first months after release. I cannot know the future, but I would say they will end up roughly at the same level, all things considered. And, of course, this is not at all a dig at WMWN, a solid record I like, and no doubt a commercial success. My point is only that WBTM had similar commercial success, no matter what some people here seems to believe. Well, we’re going to have to agree to disagree because I think it’s ridiculous to disbelieve that a large sum of the WBTM sales come from huge Oasis/Gallagher fans. I can speak for every Oasis fan I know personally and say that until the EPs, we all bought everything attached to the Gallagher name. And those same people (of which all preferred Noel, except me), many more on the forum, and a shitload on social media are disappointed in this era of Noel. There has never been this much backlash against his music and data does suggest this is the least popular he’s ever been. If he was to ditch this style of writing/return to what he’s best at and stop bashing Oasis fans, his sales would absolutely increase.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2020 11:47:31 GMT -5
First off, a lot of fans bought/downloaded WBTM solely because it was a Noel record so a lot of those numbers will be from people like me who blindly bought anything he put out. There’s no way you can argue that his popularity has plummeted since 2017. And in response to WBTM outselling WMWN, album sales have steadily decreased every year in favor of streaming. It’s very hard to argue that his new material is reaching less and less people as the data is evident. No offense, but there is no way WBTM sales can be explained by some people blindly buying everything Noel releases, even if they hate it. The same with Holy Mountain: many people in the forum hate it, but it charted for 10 weeks and was a clear sucess for Noel (given his scale). As others mentioned, perceptions may be very different outside our small circle of die-hard fans. Regarding the comparison with WMWN I think now streaming is counted in sales so I honestly don't know if numbers keep decreasing or, if they do, in enough proportion to justify the difference in initial sales (I think WBTM was above 220k at week 18 and WMWN at 150k). But it does not change my point. You can also take chart history and you will see a similar story: AYW was significantly more sucessful than WBTM but WMWN is not. Of course I am talking about their run/success in the first months after release. I cannot know the future, but I would say they will end up roughly at the same level, all things considered. And, of course, this is not at all a dig at WMWN, a solid record I like, and no doubt a commercial success. My point is only that WBTM had similar commercial success, no matter what some people here seems to believe. One of the greatest myths in Gallagher Brother history is that "Holy Mountain" was a trainwreck and tanked. The reality is, like you said, its one of his most successful single to date, charting 10 weeks is wild considering he is 50 and doesn't play the Spotify game. I'll take that "success" every single time. A lot of forum members took delight in ripping Noel apart in his MOON era. Smaller sales than Chasing Yesterday and unpopular singles. I kept hearing that MOON couldn't keep up with As You Were commercially. Which is true from a certain point of view. Liam's debut album was always going to do big business. So much hype. So much expectations. We all craved this since Oasis broke up. We had to grind through a speed bump known as Beady Eye. It was never fair to compare Liam's commercials sales for his debut to Noel's third album (which still sold very well for 2017). Noel's debut outsold Liam's debut. Noel's second album outsold Liam's second album. We shall see what happens with LP 3. It's not really a competition. I just want good music from both which in my opinion is happening. I don't really get why people are so worked up over the EPs? Its better to have music during this down period than no music. I actually really like everything we've gotten. I like when artists try new things or surprise us. I know not all are like this. Clearly. I also wouldn't get too worked up over social media (its just a bitch fest at all times over every topic of life you can think of) or a fan forum. That is a minority view of things. Silent majority reigns supreme.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 6, 2020 12:09:07 GMT -5
No offense, but there is no way WBTM sales can be explained by some people blindly buying everything Noel releases, even if they hate it. The same with Holy Mountain: many people in the forum hate it, but it charted for 10 weeks and was a clear sucess for Noel (given his scale). As others mentioned, perceptions may be very different outside our small circle of die-hard fans. Regarding the comparison with WMWN I think now streaming is counted in sales so I honestly don't know if numbers keep decreasing or, if they do, in enough proportion to justify the difference in initial sales (I think WBTM was above 220k at week 18 and WMWN at 150k). But it does not change my point. You can also take chart history and you will see a similar story: AYW was significantly more sucessful than WBTM but WMWN is not. Of course I am talking about their run/success in the first months after release. I cannot know the future, but I would say they will end up roughly at the same level, all things considered. And, of course, this is not at all a dig at WMWN, a solid record I like, and no doubt a commercial success. My point is only that WBTM had similar commercial success, no matter what some people here seems to believe. One of the greatest myths in Gallagher Brother history is that "Holy Mountain" was a trainwreck and tanked. The reality is, like you said, its one of his most successful single to date, charting 10 weeks is wild considering he is 50 and doesn't play the Spotify game. I'll take that "success" every single time. A lot of forum members took delight in ripping Noel apart in his MOON era. Smaller sales than Chasing Yesterday and unpopular singles. I kept hearing that MOON couldn't keep up with As You Were commercially. Which is true from a certain point of view. Liam's debut album was always going to do big business. So much hype. So much expectations. We all craved this since Oasis broke up. We had to grind through a speed bump known as Beady Eye. It was never fair to compare Liam's commercials sales for his debut to Noel's third album (which still sold very well for 2017). Noel's debut outsold Liam's debut. Noel's second album outsold Liam's second album. We shall see what happens with LP 3. It's not really a competition. I just want good music from both which in my opinion is happening. I don't really get why people are so worked up over the EPs? Its better to have music during this down period than no music. I actually really like everything we've gotten. I like when artists try new things or surprise us. I know not all are like this. Clearly. I also wouldn't get too worked up over social media (its just a bitch fest at all times over every topic of life you can think of) or a fan forum. That is a minority view of things. Silent majority reigns supreme. Liam's debut was not 'always' going to do big business nor were expectations that high. In your opinion then, interest in Noel Gallagher hasn't reduced in professional or personal way since the release of WBTM?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2020 12:14:06 GMT -5
One of the greatest myths in Gallagher Brother history is that "Holy Mountain" was a trainwreck and tanked. The reality is, like you said, its one of his most successful single to date, charting 10 weeks is wild considering he is 50 and doesn't play the Spotify game. I'll take that "success" every single time. A lot of forum members took delight in ripping Noel apart in his MOON era. Smaller sales than Chasing Yesterday and unpopular singles. I kept hearing that MOON couldn't keep up with As You Were commercially. Which is true from a certain point of view. Liam's debut album was always going to do big business. So much hype. So much expectations. We all craved this since Oasis broke up. We had to grind through a speed bump known as Beady Eye. It was never fair to compare Liam's commercials sales for his debut to Noel's third album (which still sold very well for 2017). Noel's debut outsold Liam's debut. Noel's second album outsold Liam's second album. We shall see what happens with LP 3. It's not really a competition. I just want good music from both which in my opinion is happening. I don't really get why people are so worked up over the EPs? Its better to have music during this down period than no music. I actually really like everything we've gotten. I like when artists try new things or surprise us. I know not all are like this. Clearly. I also wouldn't get too worked up over social media (its just a bitch fest at all times over every topic of life you can think of) or a fan forum. That is a minority view of things. Silent majority reigns supreme. Liam's debut was not 'always' going to do big business nor were expectations that high. In your opinion then, interest in Noel Gallagher hasn't reduced in professional or personal way since the release of WBTM? Are you fucking crazy? A Liam Gallagher solo album fires people up. His name excites listeners. Don’t let the failure and backlash of Beady Eye shade what Liam and his name can accomplish. We knew months leading up that Liam was working with top shelf musicians from LA. Titans of the industry. That should have calmed all nerves. Interest in all bands or artists usually goes down as time marches on. There are a few that beat it but mostly interests wanes. I don’t think Noel has had a huge drop off to be honest. MOON still did very good numbers. Not sure why people keep saying he’s not doing well. Sure he’s not pushing 800K units like his debut, that was stunning to be honest but he’s doing the perfect amount in this day and age. Same for Liam. The days of massive massive sales worldwide are fucking over.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 6, 2020 12:20:50 GMT -5
There was a poll a week back on an Oasis fan page on Facebook doing one of them stupid "vote for which brother you prefer". I was amazed to see there was something like 4000 votes in favour of Liam to about 800 for Noel.
I know that is not the best way to measure things but I remember going back a few years ago the votes would of been the other way round, saw it many times in the past. This speaks volumes to me. Crazy how it's turned on its head.
If you still think Noel is as popular/liked now as he was before and during the WBTM album cycle then I'm sorry but you're dilusional.
He can't even sell out a 3,500 capacity gig in his home town at the moment.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 6, 2020 12:26:04 GMT -5
Liam's debut was not 'always' going to do big business nor were expectations that high. In your opinion then, interest in Noel Gallagher hasn't reduced in professional or personal way since the release of WBTM? Are you fucking crazy? A Liam Gallagher solo album fires people up. His name excites listeners. Don’t let the failure and backlash of Beady Eye shade what Liam and his name can accomplish. We knew months leading up that Liam was working with top shelf musicians from LA. Titans of the industry. That should have calmed all nerves. Interest in all bands or artists usually goes down as time marches on. There are a few that beat it but mostly interests wanes. I don’t think Noel has had a huge drop off to be honest. MOON still did very good numbers. Not sure why people keep saying he’s not doing well. Sure he’s not pushing 800K units like his debut, that was stunning to be honest but he’s doing the perfect amount in this day and age. Same for Liam. The days of massive massive sales worldwide are fucking over. That shows a misunderstanding of where Liam was at and what the public perception of him was pre release of As You Were. A number of things fell in to place for him leading but ultimately he was backed up by good music. Sure a solo Liam record peaked interest not always in a good way, a lot of people thought it would be a car crash.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2020 12:30:09 GMT -5
There was a poll a week back on an Oasis fan page on Facebook doing one of them stupid "vote for which brother you prefer". I was amazed to see there was something like 4000 votes in favour of Liam to about 800 for Noel. I know that is not the best way to measure things but I remember going back a few years the votes would of been the other way round, saw it many times in the past. This speaks volumes to me. If you still think Noel is as popular/liked now as he was before and during the WBTM album cycle then I'm sorry but you're dilusional. What are we basing this on? A Facebook poll? That is hardly scientific or accurate. Social media is not something to lean on. MOON sold what? Roughly 240,000? Doesn’t sound too bad to me. Holy Mountain peaked at only #31 but hung in the charts for 10 weeks? Doesn’t sound bad to me. The Apollo gig didn’t sell out yet? Oh no. What are we gonna do?!?!!! But seriously why are people saying Noel is on a downward spiral? I think it’s being overblown around these parts with the diehards or the ones banging the pots and pans the loudest. Should we say Liam is in trouble because of a canceled gig or that his new album is well behind the pace of AYW or CY or MOON? Or should I find a poll on Reddit to base everything on? This to me is all bonkers. It’s reminds me of how Star Wars fans wage war against each other. It’s still Star Wars at the end of the day. They all make money.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2020 12:33:05 GMT -5
Are you fucking crazy? A Liam Gallagher solo album fires people up. His name excites listeners. Don’t let the failure and backlash of Beady Eye shade what Liam and his name can accomplish. We knew months leading up that Liam was working with top shelf musicians from LA. Titans of the industry. That should have calmed all nerves. Interest in all bands or artists usually goes down as time marches on. There are a few that beat it but mostly interests wanes. I don’t think Noel has had a huge drop off to be honest. MOON still did very good numbers. Not sure why people keep saying he’s not doing well. Sure he’s not pushing 800K units like his debut, that was stunning to be honest but he’s doing the perfect amount in this day and age. Same for Liam. The days of massive massive sales worldwide are fucking over. That shows a misunderstanding of where Liam was at and what the public perception of him was pre release of As You Were. A number of things fell in to place for him leading but ultimately he was backed up by good music. Sure a solo Liam record peaked interest not always in a good way, a lot of people thought it would be a car crash. Yes coming off a shitty Beady Eye made some people worried and spooked. Then again a lot of people didn’t know that band existed so a Liam solo album sounded phenomenal. The aftermath of Beady demise sure wasn’t pretty nor was Liam’s personal life. However, months prior to his album dropping we knew he would be on good shape because of all the top notch people brought in to help him. Never worried after all that was confirmed months prior. Also helped his debut single was really strong and catchy.
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Post by jeffrey on Feb 6, 2020 13:33:04 GMT -5
Liam's debut was not 'always' going to do big business nor were expectations that high. In your opinion then, interest in Noel Gallagher hasn't reduced in professional or personal way since the release of WBTM? Are you fucking crazy? A Liam Gallagher solo album fires people up. His name excites listeners. Don’t let the failure and backlash of Beady Eye shade what Liam and his name can accomplish. We knew months leading up that Liam was working with top shelf musicians from LA. Titans of the industry. That should have calmed all nerves. The same Liam Gallagher that couldn’t hold a note for 10 years, was portrayed to be the sole reason Oasis split, had a terrible public divorce, fronted a band that could barely book a tour of theaters in the fucking UK, and was perceived to be a has-been by 95% of the public was expected by the masses to be a success? Even LG himself had enormous doubts and gave himself an out by telling everyone that if it didn’t do well he would leave the music business. I think you might be fucking crazy.
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