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Post by kelli on Nov 24, 2019 16:54:52 GMT -5
You cared enough to check, though 😂 yeah that's all you can say now😂😂 That changes nothing regarding both my opinion on Liam's tweeting AND my curiosity regarding the current relationship between Liam and Andy. You do know that Andy is married to a friend of Nicole, don't you? And regarding the end of Beady eye that happened shortly after Liam and Nicole got divorced.
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Post by ee on Nov 24, 2019 18:15:47 GMT -5
yeah that's all you can say now😂😂 That changes nothing regarding both my opinion on Liam's tweeting AND my curiosity regarding the current relationship between Liam and Andy. You do know that Andy is married to a friend of Nicole, don't you? And regarding the end of Beady eye that happened shortly after Liam and Nicole got divorced. You just brought that twitter following story with your headcanon only to justify what Noel did to Andy. The current relationship between Liam and Andy? Marriage and divorce? lol you're really trying to bring all the irrelevant stuffs here. At least, Andy had a mind to reply to Liam's twitter account and celebrate his solo success after the Beady Eye split up.
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Post by kelli on Nov 24, 2019 18:30:37 GMT -5
That changes nothing regarding both my opinion on Liam's tweeting AND my curiosity regarding the current relationship between Liam and Andy. You do know that Andy is married to a friend of Nicole, don't you? And regarding the end of Beady eye that happened shortly after Liam and Nicole got divorced. You just brought that twitter following story with your headcanon only to justify what Noel did to Andy. The current relationship between Liam and Andy? Marriage and divorce? lol you're really trying to bring all the irrelevant stuffs here. At least, Andy had a mind to reply to Liam's twitter account and celebrate his solo success after the Beady Eye split up. And this shows what, exactly? I thought he didn't follow his Twitter due to some kind of error on my app. Anyway, Andy follows both of them, he does not not follow Noel. If you remember well, there was a time when it seemed in Andy's eyes, Liam could do no wrong. Guess what, it must have been one hell of a situation in that band when things in Liam's personal life unfolded the way they did given the puzzle of personal and professional connections. I wonder how Andy reacted to it all, as he was clearly so close to Liam back then. And then again, if you choose to remain neutral during an argument, because you are closer to one of them or you feel it's none of your business, fair enough, but also fair enough for one of the parts to voice his opinion that you should have intervened. That's hardly throwing someone under a bus.
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Post by ee on Nov 25, 2019 6:14:55 GMT -5
And this shows what, exactly? I thought he didn't follow his Twitter due to some kind of error on my app. Anyway, Andy follows both of them, he does not not follow Noel. If you remember well, there was a time when it seemed in Andy's eyes, Liam could do no wrong. Guess what, it must have been one hell of a situation in that band when things in Liam's personal life unfolded the way they did given the puzzle of personal and professional connections. I wonder how Andy reacted to it all, as he was clearly so close to Liam back then. And then again, if you choose to remain neutral during an argument, because you are closer to one of them or you feel it's none of your business, fair enough, but also fair enough for one of the parts to voice his opinion that you should have intervened. That's hardly throwing someone under a bus. You are so obsessed with the things between Andy and Liam here. Has it got any relevance to Noel’s press conference or the brothers’ feud? You brought the false twitter following story to defend Noel and insinuate there’s some trouble between Andy and Liam. What the hell was the latter for? The problem is not an error on your twitter app, but your intention to bring something irrelevant. You defo still want to talk about them to change the topic. If you're really curious about their relationship, why don't you ask them directly on twitter? I'm not sure they would answer but only they can answer your question. “also fair enough for one of the parts to voice his opinion that you should have intervened” - Do you really think so? As you might know, Oasis mk2 members all experienced the notorious Barcelona feud and they actually did try to step in, according to Andy's interview. They had to quit it at some point though. Two big and selfish egos never gave a shit about the other members and started fighting whenever they wanted. The feud was always nothing to do with Andy or Gem at all. Is it really fair enough that they should be forced to intervene regardless of their will? Should they have done something in the right time when the chief wanted them to intervene? What an arrogant and selfish thought. At least Liam knew it was nobody's fault but the brothers', while Noel was busy to blame the others.
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 6:49:42 GMT -5
And this shows what, exactly? I thought he didn't follow his Twitter due to some kind of error on my app. Anyway, Andy follows both of them, he does not not follow Noel. If you remember well, there was a time when it seemed in Andy's eyes, Liam could do no wrong. Guess what, it must have been one hell of a situation in that band when things in Liam's personal life unfolded the way they did given the puzzle of personal and professional connections. I wonder how Andy reacted to it all, as he was clearly so close to Liam back then. And then again, if you choose to remain neutral during an argument, because you are closer to one of them or you feel it's none of your business, fair enough, but also fair enough for one of the parts to voice his opinion that you should have intervened. That's hardly throwing someone under a bus. You are so obsessed with the things between Andy and Liam here. Has it got any relevance to Noel’s press conference or the brothers’ feud? You brought the false twitter following story to defend Noel and insinuate there’s some trouble between Andy and Liam. What the hell was the latter for? The problem is not an error on your twitter app, but your intention to bring something irrelevant. You defo still want to talk about them to change the topic. If you're really curious about their relationship, why don't you ask them directly on twitter? I'm not sure they would answer but only they can answer your question. “also fair enough for one of the parts to voice his opinion that you should have intervened” - Do you really think so? As you might know, Oasis mk2 members all experienced the notorious Barcelona feud and they actually did try to step in, according to Andy's interview. They had to quit it at some point though. Two big and selfish egos never gave a shit about the other members and started fighting whenever they wanted. The feud was always nothing to do with Andy or Gem at all. Is it really fair enough that they should be forced to intervene regardless of their will? Should they have done something in the right time when the chief wanted them to intervene? What an arrogant and selfish thought. At least Liam knew it was nobody's fault but the brothers', while Noel was busy to blame the others. Regarding me asking them on Twitter, They could give any answer they wished, so it's meaningless really. Have you ever had an argument with someone, thought you were 'obviously' right, and someone else's friend in the room didn't help out? It can be annoying. I'm not judging Andy for doing nothing, but I can see both perspectives, and, in that regard, I don't think Andy was that harshly called out. It's not like he's been repeatedly called out for it after that. So before considering Andy's been thrown under the bus, why not use your own advise and ask him via Twitter if he was harsly treated or not? Certainly, that doensn't serve as a justification for continuous social media bullying 10 years after it took place. For how long Will the justification for this be, 'Oh, Noel's been really bad for people'? 10 years of Twitter stalking? 20 years? Will it be ever be even?
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Post by ee on Nov 25, 2019 13:42:14 GMT -5
Regarding me asking them on Twitter, They could give any answer they wished, so it's meaningless really. You’ve already put aside all their amicable quotes, and now said that whatever they give you an answer, it's meaningless. In short, you want to know about their current relationship and what happened to them but don’t believe what they say at all. What are you gonna believe then? Stories invented by Noel the Storyteller or by yourself? It is funny that you said you can see both perspectives. All your suggestions about Andy in this thread was just there's a possibility that Andy’s done the wrong thing and he wasn't harshly thrown under the bus. Why do I have to ask Andy for that? I’ve already seen how Noel blamed Andy and how Andy was blamed by Noel and fans at the same time. This is really easy case to tell who attacks who. Where did you come up with "10 years"? Don’t you know when Liam started ranting in twitter? Anyway, Noel should rethink what he’s done for years before playing the victim. His campaign of hate towards Liam, especially in DOYS era, worked effectively well after the split-up. People needed somebody to blame at that time and Noel easily stitched Liam up. You said like Noel stopped talking shit after 2009, which is obviously wrong. You can easily find his bitter comments on Liam afterwards. I don’t need to talk further about his 2011 press conference and the lawsuit between them. Of course I'm not gonna say Liam did nothing. He also did something bad to Noel. Both are terrible to each other and what they’ve done would never be justified equally. Only difference between them is that Noel tends to talk about the variety of shits but Liam digs into a few shits over and over and over. (If they ever reach an agreement for someday, admitting both are the same fuckers, it would be the day of reconciliation.)
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 14:50:36 GMT -5
Regarding me asking them on Twitter, They could give any answer they wished, so it's meaningless really. You’ve already put aside all their amicable quotes, and now said that whatever they give you an answer, it's meaningless. In short, you want to know about their current relationship and what happened to them but don’t believe what they say at all. What are you gonna believe then? Stories invented by Noel the Storyteller or by yourself? It is funny that you said you can see both perspectives. All your suggestions about Andy in this thread was just there's a possibility that Andy’s done the wrong thing and he wasn't harshly thrown under the bus. Why do I have to ask Andy for that? I’ve already seen how Noel blamed Andy and how Andy was blamed by Noel and fans at the same time. This is really easy case to tell who attacks who. Where did you come up with "10 years"? Don’t you know when Liam started ranting in twitter? Anyway, Noel should rethink what he’s done for years before playing the victim. His campaign of hate towards Liam, especially in DOYS era, worked effectively well after the split-up. People needed somebody to blame at that time and Noel easily stitched Liam up. You said like Noel stopped talking shit after 2009, which is obviously wrong. You can find his bitter comments on Liam afterwards. I don’t need to talk further about his 2011 press conference and the lawsuit between them. Of course I'm not gonna say Liam did nothing. He also did something bad to Noel. Both are terrible to each other and what they’ve done would never be justified equally. Only difference between them is that Noel tends to talk about the variety of shits but Liam digs into a few shits over and over and over. (If they ever reach an agreement for someday, admitting both are the same fuckers, it would be the day of reconciliation.) So why don't you ask Andy if he felt like he was thrown under a bus or not? I didn't say Liam had been ranting on Twitter for ten years. I asked for how long do people think it's fair for him to rant for people to think it was enough, because apparently for some he will Forever hold the right to cyberstalk Noel for whatever he did to him. The rants did start before that though, around the time DGSS was released. Quite a lot of ranting to be honest. Regarding your initial hint at me not believing them, no. I don't believe any of them, not Liam, not Andy, not Noel. They all had something to win and something to loose. Liam is not a victim in this story either, actually, as of late, he's the one acting as a bully on Twitter and hiding his hand in interviews.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 25, 2019 14:56:59 GMT -5
You’ve already put aside all their amicable quotes, and now said that whatever they give you an answer, it's meaningless. In short, you want to know about their current relationship and what happened to them but don’t believe what they say at all. What are you gonna believe then? Stories invented by Noel the Storyteller or by yourself? It is funny that you said you can see both perspectives. All your suggestions about Andy in this thread was just there's a possibility that Andy’s done the wrong thing and he wasn't harshly thrown under the bus. Why do I have to ask Andy for that? I’ve already seen how Noel blamed Andy and how Andy was blamed by Noel and fans at the same time. This is really easy case to tell who attacks who. Where did you come up with "10 years"? Don’t you know when Liam started ranting in twitter? Anyway, Noel should rethink what he’s done for years before playing the victim. His campaign of hate towards Liam, especially in DOYS era, worked effectively well after the split-up. People needed somebody to blame at that time and Noel easily stitched Liam up. You said like Noel stopped talking shit after 2009, which is obviously wrong. You can find his bitter comments on Liam afterwards. I don’t need to talk further about his 2011 press conference and the lawsuit between them. Of course I'm not gonna say Liam did nothing. He also did something bad to Noel. Both are terrible to each other and what they’ve done would never be justified equally. Only difference between them is that Noel tends to talk about the variety of shits but Liam digs into a few shits over and over and over. (If they ever reach an agreement for someday, admitting both are the same fuckers, it would be the day of reconciliation.) So why don't you ask Andy if he felt like he was thrown under a bus or not? I didn't say Liam had been ranting on Twitter for ten years. I asked for how long do people think it's fair for him to rant for people to think it was enough, because apparently for some he will Forever hold the right to cyberstalk Noel for whatever he did to him. The rants did start before that though, around the time DGSS was released. Quite a lot of ranting to be honest. Regarding your initial hint at me not believing them, no. I don't believe any of them, not Liam, not Andy, not Noel. They all had something to win and something to loose. Liam is not a victim in this story either, actually, as of late, he's the one acting as a bully on Twitter and hiding his hand in interviews. No one said he was a victim, also no one said that Liam hasn't crossed the line from time to time. I just said that Noel had brought a lot of it on himself and really doesn't like the fact Liam's made a success of it. You might want to explain why Noel wasn't annoyed by a lack of bandmate intervention previously but your memory doesn't seem to extend pre 2009. Hmmmm...you don't believe any of them but your focus is only in one direction, shocker.
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 16:05:34 GMT -5
So why don't you ask Andy if he felt like he was thrown under a bus or not? I didn't say Liam had been ranting on Twitter for ten years. I asked for how long do people think it's fair for him to rant for people to think it was enough, because apparently for some he will Forever hold the right to cyberstalk Noel for whatever he did to him. The rants did start before that though, around the time DGSS was released. Quite a lot of ranting to be honest. Regarding your initial hint at me not believing them, no. I don't believe any of them, not Liam, not Andy, not Noel. They all had something to win and something to loose. Liam is not a victim in this story either, actually, as of late, he's the one acting as a bully on Twitter and hiding his hand in interviews. No one said he was a victim, also no one said that Liam hasn't crossed the line from time to time. I just said that Noel had brought a lot of it on himself and really doesn't like the fact Liam's made a success of it. You might want to explain why Noel wasn't annoyed by a lack of bandmate intervention previously but your memory doesn't seem to extend pre 2009. Hmmmm...you don't believe any of them but your focus is only in one direction, shocker. I don't know, and neither do you, if he was annoyed or not before. Only that he rejoined afterwards, so it wasn't convenient do the dirty laundry stuff. No I don't believe 100% on any of them. By the way, Andy lied too, or conviniently misremembered the fact that Noel never said the argument was about pretty green. I remember Steve Lillywhite abelling him a "puppet", ever wondered why? And in which direction do you focus? Difficult answer, eh?
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 25, 2019 16:15:31 GMT -5
Andy hasn't talked to Noel since the Oasis split, and he was in a band with Liam. Think about it. He follows him on twitter, so what. Maybe he just hasn't bothered to unfollow him. I haven't checked the logistics on the twitter, so I may be wrong.
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 16:18:43 GMT -5
Andy hasn't talked to Noel since the Oasis split, and he was in a band with Liam. Think about it. He follows him on twitter, so what. Maybe he just hasn't bothered to unfollow him. I haven't checked the logistics on the twitter, so I may be wrong. Oh he has talked to him, alright. Maybe briefly, but there is footage of him shaking hands with him at a festival. Did he have the guts to stand up to him face to face? Hummm... Maybe not. He even talked about him, unprompted, in 2015, saying he was underrated as a guitarrist... Shocker! Andy being in a band with Liam means likes Liam and possibly liked Liam even more back then. Fast foward some years, given the choice between reforming Ride or staying with Beady Eye, his choice was... You may argue it was done and dusted with Beady Eye, but still, there was no guarantee of success with Ride.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 25, 2019 17:29:25 GMT -5
Andy hasn't talked to Noel since the Oasis split, and he was in a band with Liam. Think about it. He follows him on twitter, so what. Maybe he just hasn't bothered to unfollow him. I haven't checked the logistics on the twitter, so I may be wrong. Oh he has talked to him, alright. Maybe briefly, but there is footage of him shaking hands with him at a festival. Did he have the guts to stand up to him face to face? Hummm... Maybe not. He even talked about him, unprompted, in 2015, saying he was underrated as a guitarrist... Shocker! Andy being in a band with Liam means likes Liam and possibly liked Liam even more back then. Fast foward some years, given the choice between reforming Ride or staying with Beady Eye, his choice was... You may argue it was done and dusted with Beady Eye, but still, there was no guarantee of success with Ride. Fair enough, just going off an article I remember reading.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 25, 2019 17:29:30 GMT -5
No one said he was a victim, also no one said that Liam hasn't crossed the line from time to time. I just said that Noel had brought a lot of it on himself and really doesn't like the fact Liam's made a success of it. You might want to explain why Noel wasn't annoyed by a lack of bandmate intervention previously but your memory doesn't seem to extend pre 2009. Hmmmm...you don't believe any of them but your focus is only in one direction, shocker. I don't know, and neither do you, if he was annoyed or not before. Only that he rejoined afterwards, so it wasn't convenient do the dirty laundry stuff. No I don't believe 100% on any of them. By the way, Andy lied too, or conviniently misremembered the fact that Noel never said the argument was about pretty green. I remember Steve Lillywhite abelling him a "puppet", ever wondered why? And in which direction do you focus? Difficult answer, eh? I don’t know and neither do you. Ok then leave it there shall we or you can just address the points from my initial post. Do you think Noel likes Liam’s success? Do you think Noel has brought some of it on himself via his treatment of Liam since 1994? Do you think that Noel thought he would control the narrative of of Liam and Oasis given his success and Liam’s expected failure? Yes or no is fine. Then we can leave this tiresome shit behind that mainly includes you making lots of points but when confronted with any shouting “We’ll you don’t know?” Or ask Andy Bell 😂 ffs.
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 18:20:05 GMT -5
I don't know, and neither do you, if he was annoyed or not before. Only that he rejoined afterwards, so it wasn't convenient do the dirty laundry stuff. No I don't believe 100% on any of them. By the way, Andy lied too, or conviniently misremembered the fact that Noel never said the argument was about pretty green. I remember Steve Lillywhite abelling him a "puppet", ever wondered why? And in which direction do you focus? Difficult answer, eh? I don’t know and neither do you. Ok then leave it there shall we or you can just address the points from my initial post. Do you think Noel likes Liam’s success? Do you think Noel has brought some of it on himself via his treatment of Liam since 1994? Do you think that Noel thought he would control the narrative of of Liam and Oasis given his success and Liam’s expected failure? Yes or no is fine. Then we can leave this tiresome shit behind that mainly includes you making lots of points but when confronted with any shouting “We’ll you don’t know?” Or ask Andy Bell 😂 ffs. Perfect. Let's go back to your initial points, then. 1. Do I think Noel is bothered by Liam's success: yes, but partially because of the way it was obtained and how dissing him and his wife on Twitter helped him gain success. Obviously he didn't want Liam to be this successful. (I don't think Liam earned his level of success either, being brutally honest with you, part of it is great PR and being part of a major label, so I'm sure there's a lot of shit Liam is eating up now, that he wouldn't before, in order to sustain it). 2. In my opinion, Liam mistreated Noel as much as Noel mistreated him since 1994 (so just shut up with the Twitter nonsense) 3. Do I think Noel thought he would control the oasis narrative: yes he did. I also think he wouldn't be as annoyed if Liam behaved in a more civilized manner. I also think you love the fact he doensn't and seem to think this is a huge victory for Liam. I think he's just ridiculous on Twitter and is making oasis, as a band look ridiculous with his victim-who-would-love-to-reform-a-band-with-his-bully-dictator-of-a-brother narrative. Now can we go back to my initial point? How long will it take for people like you to think Liam no longer has the right to go after every Noel interview on Twitter and incite his fans to call Noel's wife a snake, Anais a b*tch and him a psychopath? It never seems to annoy Liam. It never annoys you, does it? So now, can you answer, in which direction do you focus?
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Post by lakerfan7 on Nov 25, 2019 19:46:01 GMT -5
I don’t know and neither do you. Ok then leave it there shall we or you can just address the points from my initial post. Do you think Noel likes Liam’s success? Do you think Noel has brought some of it on himself via his treatment of Liam since 1994? Do you think that Noel thought he would control the narrative of of Liam and Oasis given his success and Liam’s expected failure? Yes or no is fine. Then we can leave this tiresome shit behind that mainly includes you making lots of points but when confronted with any shouting “We’ll you don’t know?” Or ask Andy Bell 😂 ffs. Perfect. Let's go back to your initial points, then. 1. Do I think Noel is bothered by Liam's success: yes, but partially because of the way it was obtained and how dissing him and his wife on Twitter helped him gain success. Obviously he didn't want Liam to be this successful. ( I don't think Liam earned his level of success either, being brutally honest with you, part of it is great PR and being part of a major label, so I'm sure there's a lot of shit Liam is eating up now, that he wouldn't before, in order to sustain it). 2. In my opinion, Liam mistreated Noel as much as Noel mistreated him since 1994 (so just shut up with the Twitter nonsense) 3. Do I think Noel thought he would control the oasis narrative: yes he did. I also think he wouldn't be as annoyed if Liam behaved in a more civilized manner. I also think you love the fact he doensn't and seem to think this is a huge victory for Liam. I think he's just ridiculous on Twitter and is making oasis, as a band look ridiculous with his victim-who-would-love-to-reform-a-band-with-his-bully-dictator-of-a-brother narrative. Now can we go back to my initial point? How long will it take for people like you to think Liam no longer has the right to go after every Noel interview on Twitter and incite his fans to call Noel's wife a snake, Anais a b*tch and him a psychopath? It never seems to annoy Liam. It never annoys you, does it? So now, can you answer, in which direction do you focus? I'm sorry, but what??? How, pray tell did, Liam gain any of his solo success by dissing Noel and his wife on twitter? You think that people saw him dissing Noel on twitter and, only then, decided to buy his music and attend his gigs? And when did Liam ever call Anais a b*tch? He never even threatened her so this narrative that he goes after Noel's kids is absurd. Yes, he sent a text to her telling her mom to be careful, but he never said anything about her. As for your last point, I honestly don't even care, really. So long as he keeps being asked about Noel, he'll respond. So long as Noel keeps saying stuff about Liam, he'll respond. It's an endless cycle that won't end for a long while. Sadly, it'll probably take something significant to occur to a family member before they stop this nonsense.
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Post by kelli on Nov 25, 2019 20:10:14 GMT -5
Perfect. Let's go back to your initial points, then. 1. Do I think Noel is bothered by Liam's success: yes, but partially because of the way it was obtained and how dissing him and his wife on Twitter helped him gain success. Obviously he didn't want Liam to be this successful. ( I don't think Liam earned his level of success either, being brutally honest with you, part of it is great PR and being part of a major label, so I'm sure there's a lot of shit Liam is eating up now, that he wouldn't before, in order to sustain it). 2. In my opinion, Liam mistreated Noel as much as Noel mistreated him since 1994 (so just shut up with the Twitter nonsense) 3. Do I think Noel thought he would control the oasis narrative: yes he did. I also think he wouldn't be as annoyed if Liam behaved in a more civilized manner. I also think you love the fact he doensn't and seem to think this is a huge victory for Liam. I think he's just ridiculous on Twitter and is making oasis, as a band look ridiculous with his victim-who-would-love-to-reform-a-band-with-his-bully-dictator-of-a-brother narrative. Now can we go back to my initial point? How long will it take for people like you to think Liam no longer has the right to go after every Noel interview on Twitter and incite his fans to call Noel's wife a snake, Anais a b*tch and him a psychopath? It never seems to annoy Liam. It never annoys you, does it? So now, can you answer, in which direction do you focus? I'm sorry, but what??? How, pray tell did, Liam gain any of his solo success by dissing Noel and his wife on twitter? You think that people saw him dissing Noel on twitter and, only then, decided to buy his music and attend his gigs? And when did Liam ever call Anais a b*tch? He never even threatened her so this narrative that he goes after Noel's kids is absurd. Yes, he sent a text to her telling her mom to be careful, but he never said anything about her. As for your last point, I honestly don't even care, really. So long as he keeps being asked about Noel, he'll respond. So long as Noel keeps saying stuff about Liam, he'll respond. It's an endless cycle that won't end for a long while. Sadly, it'll probably take something significant to occur to a family member before they stop this nonsense. Yeah, him using Twitter to promote his persona didn't help him sell albums or raise attention didn't help him sell albums, neither did him painting himself as a victim ("I want the band back for you and I love my brother but he's bad and his wife is mean so She won't let him "), clearly... Dissing Noel did get him attention initially,that One love thing was PR manouvering genius! Then it carried on, and a give the people what they want album did the rest. There were people claiming Noel victimising himself helped his solo career (which I agree with, by the way, but I don't think it reached quite the same scale), so how is it not the same when places switch? I don't think Liam or any guy signed to a major quite earns the level of success, labels partially earn it for them on sheer PR and market studies power, to make that point clear. You didn't read what I wrote: I DIDN'T say Liam called insulted Anais, I'm saying his followers DID. He does insult Noel and Sara and hence incites his followers to do it in very nasty ways and he doesn't seem annoyed by any of that.
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Post by lakerfan7 on Nov 25, 2019 21:08:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what??? How, pray tell did, Liam gain any of his solo success by dissing Noel and his wife on twitter? You think that people saw him dissing Noel on twitter and, only then, decided to buy his music and attend his gigs? And when did Liam ever call Anais a b*tch? He never even threatened her so this narrative that he goes after Noel's kids is absurd. Yes, he sent a text to her telling her mom to be careful, but he never said anything about her. As for your last point, I honestly don't even care, really. So long as he keeps being asked about Noel, he'll respond. So long as Noel keeps saying stuff about Liam, he'll respond. It's an endless cycle that won't end for a long while. Sadly, it'll probably take something significant to occur to a family member before they stop this nonsense. Yeah, him using Twitter to promote his persona didn't help him sell albums or raise attention didn't help him sell albums, neither did him painting himself as a victim ("I want the band back for you and I love my brother but he's bad and his wife is mean so She won't let him "), clearly... That's your opinion. I, respectfully, disagree with it though. It's pretty simple to see why Liam has been successful this time around. He disappeared for a while (not his own doing, of course) and it allowed people to actually miss him. And the 'Supersonic' documentary played a huge role in the public realizing how much they missed Liam. But, ultimately, it was him teaming up with good songwriters and putting out good music. [/quote] Dissing Noel did get him attention initially,that One love thing was PR manouvering genius! Then it carried on, and a give the people what they want album did the rest.[/quote] He's been dissing Noel forever and it just now garnered him success? I agree the One Love thing was great for his PR but to say he wouldn't have received attention without dissing Noel is a reach. [/quote] You didn't read what I wrote: I DIDN'T say Liam called insulted Anais, I'm saying his followers DID. He does insult Noel and Sara and hence incites his followers to do it in very nasty ways and he doesn't seem annoyed by any of that.[/quote] Fair play...I misunderstood what you were saying here. Look, it's all just BS. All parties involved. To be fair on Liam's part, do you think he knows people are calling Anais a b*tch? I remember hearing him say on one interview that he doesn't even follow anybody on twitter so when he goes on, he just posts stuff...there's nothing in his feed to read. So it's likely he has no idea what others are saying. And for the record, anybody to call any of these parties involved names is absurd, but hey, that's social media these days.
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Post by kelli on Nov 26, 2019 3:15:55 GMT -5
Yeah, him using Twitter to promote his persona didn't help him sell albums or raise attention didn't help him sell albums, neither did him painting himself as a victim ("I want the band back for you and I love my brother but he's bad and his wife is mean so She won't let him "), clearly... That's your opinion. I, respectfully, disagree with it though. It's pretty simple to see why Liam has been successful this time around. He disappeared for a while (not his own doing, of course) and it allowed people to actually miss him. And the 'Supersonic' documentary played a huge role in the public realizing how much they missed Liam. But, ultimately, it was him teaming up with good songwriters and putting out good music. Dissing Noel did get him attention initially,that One love thing was PR manouvering genius! Then it carried on, and a give the people what they want album did the rest.[/quote] He's been dissing Noel forever and it just now garnered him success? I agree the One Love thing was great for his PR but to say he wouldn't have received attention without dissing Noel is a reach. [/quote] You didn't read what I wrote: I DIDN'T say Liam called insulted Anais, I'm saying his followers DID. He does insult Noel and Sara and hence incites his followers to do it in very nasty ways and he doesn't seem annoyed by any of that.[/quote] Fair play...I misunderstood what you were saying here. Look, it's all just BS. All parties involved. To be fair on Liam's part, do you think he knows people are calling Anais a b*tch? I remember hearing him say on one interview that he doesn't even follow anybody on twitter so when he goes on, he just posts stuff...there's nothing in his feed to read. So it's likely he has no idea what others are saying. And for the record, anybody to call any of these parties involved names is absurd, but hey, that's social media these days. [/quote] I agree with you that people missing him, the supersonic doc and his album garnered him success. I think his Twitter persona helped matters. But if you believe it didn't, it's fine by me. I respectfully diaagree. He replies to ppl frequently, so no, I don't believe he just posts stuff and leaves it there, no. If he does, he shouldn't. And I refuse to see it as 'hey, it's social media these days', or 'just banter' if it is attracking these kind of comments, maybe the person who posts should have a rethink, if indeed he doesn't want to attract them.
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Post by janedoe on Nov 26, 2019 5:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 26, 2019 14:59:48 GMT -5
Have to say this has been a fabulous internet argument.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Nov 27, 2019 4:51:17 GMT -5
I actually agree with Noel. You're either a c*** 100% or you're the loving brother that misses his older brother 100%. You don't get to flip flop like Liam thinks he can. You can see genuine anger in that clip. I think you take his tweets too seriously, mostly it’s just a banter. And Noel is a way too sensitive for someone who likes to insult other people publicly banter is for people that are getting along. its also a back and forth.
otherwise its just one person being nasty to the other...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 27, 2019 9:33:57 GMT -5
I think you take his tweets too seriously, mostly it’s just a banter. And Noel is a way too sensitive for someone who likes to insult other people publicly banter is for people that are getting along. its also a back and forth.
otherwise its just one person being nasty to the other... Haha Noel just doesn’t like it up him. He can dish it out but can’t take it (Liam’s stupid comments about his wife aside)
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Post by darmin on Nov 27, 2019 11:01:37 GMT -5
banter is for people that are getting along. its also a back and forth.
otherwise its just one person being nasty to the other... Haha Noel just doesn’t like it up him. He can dish it out but can’t take it (Liam’s stupid comments about his wife aside) Yeah, that’s what I meant
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Post by sgtpeppr on Nov 28, 2019 0:48:54 GMT -5
banter is for people that are getting along. its also a back and forth.
otherwise its just one person being nasty to the other... Haha Noel just doesn’t like it up him. He can dish it out but can’t take it (Liam’s stupid comments about his wife aside) my point was you dont take the piss out of people you arent getting along with and call it a joke. and if you do, then dont be surprised when the target doesnt see it that way... ok, noel does say stuff he shouldnt aswell, but he tends to save his comments for interviews. when people actually ask the doss questions that will get that kind of response. liam just blasts away on twitter whenever hes had a few too many. the tweets would be funny (funnier?) if oasis were still together and noel was in on it. but theyre not, and hes not, so it just comes across as petty and sad. this 'banter battle' liam is pretending hes in, is basically one sided.
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Post by darmin on Nov 28, 2019 5:24:47 GMT -5
Haha Noel just doesn’t like it up him. He can dish it out but can’t take it (Liam’s stupid comments about his wife aside) my point was you dont take the piss out of people you arent getting along with and call it a joke. and if you do, then dont be surprised when the target doesnt see it that way... ok, noel does say stuff he shouldnt aswell, but he tends to save his comments for interviews. when people actually ask the doss questions that will get that kind of response. liam just blasts away on twitter whenever hes had a few too many. the tweets would be funny (funnier?) if oasis were still together and noel was in on it. but theyre not, and hes not, so it just comes across as petty and sad. this 'banter battle' liam is pretending hes in, is basically one sided.
Well, Liam get asked about Noel on Twitter all the time, like Noel get asked about Liam on interviews . Still don’t understand what the big difference between talking about someone on Twitter and talking about someone during interviews. SM is just another way of self promoting and communicating w ppl, like interviews, just faster and more direct Idk some of his tweets about Noel is very funny for me, if it’s not funny for you, then I guess you like different type of humour?
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