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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:26:53 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this now: Leaving the EU will impact the world more negatively than any Clinton or Trump presidency. Remain needs to pull this one out.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 23, 2016 19:26:54 GMT -5
This is quite scary, not going to lie. Good. Give it a rest ffs.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 19:28:27 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this now: Leaving the EU will impact the world more negatively than any Clinton or Trump presidency. Remain needs to pull this one out. It's gone I think, it's a leave win.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:29:03 GMT -5
They're saying London turn out down because of the weather. Surely this will decrease Remain vote? (And now you start seeing why I fucking loathe Populism).
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:29:45 GMT -5
See the pound and markets crashing at the minute? That's all down to Leave. Watch it be decimated if Leave is confirmed. Not so good now eh. Thanks a lot. Cool ya jets darling do you really think Cameron will let a Leave vote actually happen. The whole thing is a fucking sham. Cameron will stop a leave vote regardless, because he's crooked as fuck.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:30:37 GMT -5
See the pound and markets crashing at the minute? That's all down to Leave. Watch it be decimated if Leave is confirmed. Not so good now eh. Thanks a lot. Cool ya jets darling do you really think Cameron will let a Leave vote actually happen. The whole thing is a fucking sham. Cameron will stop a leave vote regardless, because he's crooked as fuck. And you're deluded.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:32:20 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this now: Leaving the EU will impact the world more negatively than any Clinton or Trump presidency. Remain needs to pull this one out. It's gone I think, it's a leave win. I don't see what you're basing that off of. There's nothing to be even remotely conclusive yet.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:33:05 GMT -5
Cool ya jets darling do you really think Cameron will let a Leave vote actually happen. The whole thing is a fucking sham. Cameron will stop a leave vote regardless, because he's crooked as fuck. And you're deluded. Whatever, see what happens. MPs can vote to stay in the single market regardless.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:37:32 GMT -5
Vive la République !
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:41:50 GMT -5
They're saying London turn out down because of the weather. Surely this will decrease Remain vote? (And now you start seeing why I fucking loathe Populism). Well I am living in Ilford (out east) at the minute. It took me over two hours to get into central London today (via bus detours all over). Big deal some may say, but it was gridlock in Ilford all day, all public transport was delayed (my bus was 30 minutes late). And that is crucial - migrants are pushed out to the outer regions of London, and Ilford is very very heavily migrant. And migrants will obviously vote Remain. But, given there is a general apathy to politics in this area, in addition to the terrible weather, well I think that Remain may have lost a big chunk of voters. And where was the Remain campaign teams in migrant areas? Absolutely nowhere - Lib Dems and Labour had campaign HQs in North London, pathetic really as they were preaching to the converted (many of them white middle class hipster regions inevitably Remain). There's been a massive failure to tap into a lot of potential Remain voters in areas with ethnic minorities.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:46:38 GMT -5
They're saying London turn out down because of the weather. Surely this will decrease Remain vote? (And now you start seeing why I fucking loathe Populism). Well I am living in Ilford (out east) at the minute. It took me over two hours to get into central London today (via bus detours all over). Big deal some may say, but it was gridlock in Ilford all day, all public transport was delayed (my bus was 30 minutes late). And that is crucial - migrants are pushed out to the outer regions of London, and Ilford is very very heavily migrant. And migrants will obviously vote Remain. But, given there is a general apathy to politics in this area, in addition to the terrible weather, well I think that Remain may have lost a big chunk of voters. And where was the Remain campaign teams in migrant areas? Absolutely nowhere - Lib Dems and Labour had campaign HQs in North London, pathetic really as they were preaching to the converted (many of them white middle class hipster regions inevitably Remain). There's been a massive failure to tap into a lot of potential Remain voters in areas with ethnic minorities. Doesn't it seem crazy that if the weather was better, then Remain would win? To have something so serious (leaving the EU) being hinged on rain or sunshine is insane to me. I seriously hate referenda.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:47:48 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here...
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 19:48:59 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here... Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:50:46 GMT -5
Well I am living in Ilford (out east) at the minute. It took me over two hours to get into central London today (via bus detours all over). Big deal some may say, but it was gridlock in Ilford all day, all public transport was delayed (my bus was 30 minutes late). And that is crucial - migrants are pushed out to the outer regions of London, and Ilford is very very heavily migrant. And migrants will obviously vote Remain. But, given there is a general apathy to politics in this area, in addition to the terrible weather, well I think that Remain may have lost a big chunk of voters. And where was the Remain campaign teams in migrant areas? Absolutely nowhere - Lib Dems and Labour had campaign HQs in North London, pathetic really as they were preaching to the converted (many of them white middle class hipster regions inevitably Remain). There's been a massive failure to tap into a lot of potential Remain voters in areas with ethnic minorities. Doesn't it seem crazy that if the weather was better, then Remain would win? To have something so serious (leaving the EU) being hinged on rain or sunshine is insane to me. I seriously hate referenda. It's probably won't be that significant to be honest! Whatever happens, I think there's going to be a lot of soul searching with assessments to the state of democracy. Anger, protest, apathy - it's been brewing for years now.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:51:54 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here... Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 19:54:28 GMT -5
Doesn't it seem crazy that if the weather was better, then Remain would win? To have something so serious (leaving the EU) being hinged on rain or sunshine is insane to me. I seriously hate referenda. It's probably won't be that significant to be honest! Whatever happens, I think there's going to be a lot of soul searching with assessments to the state of democracy. Anger, protest, apathy - it's been brewing for years now. Deprived areas like Merthyr Tydfil voting Leave. Tells you all you need to know. Labour not reaching their core vote at all.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 19:54:40 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here... Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain. Weren't you spouting 30 minutes ago that Leave would certainly win? Stop trolling.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 23, 2016 19:58:04 GMT -5
They're saying London turn out down because of the weather. Surely this will decrease Remain vote? (And now you start seeing why I fucking loathe Populism). Well I am living in Ilford (out east) at the minute. It took me over two hours to get into central London today (via bus detours all over). Big deal some may say, but it was gridlock in Ilford all day, all public transport was delayed (my bus was 30 minutes late). And that is crucial - migrants are pushed out to the outer regions of London, and Ilford is very very heavily migrant. And migrants will obviously vote Remain. But, given there is a general apathy to politics in this area, in addition to the terrible weather, well I think that Remain may have lost a big chunk of voters. And where was the Remain campaign teams in migrant areas? Absolutely nowhere - Lib Dems and Labour had campaign HQs in North London, pathetic really as they were preaching to the converted (many of them white middle class hipster regions inevitably Remain). There's been a massive failure to tap into a lot of potential Remain voters in areas with ethnic minorities. Its been a failiure of campaign style. People didn't like the scaremongering and fear, it got there backs up. The biggest mistake being Osbourne's utterly moronic budget statement, its like the Tories thought that the trick worked during the election so they would just repeat it. Strangely it was Corbyn or Sky the other day who was the most balanced, he didn't want to go into Europe in the first place but was eloquent about why it was a good idea to stay. But why listen to the quiet man when you can shout louder.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 23, 2016 19:58:27 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here... Me too.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 23, 2016 19:58:46 GMT -5
Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain. Weren't you spouting 30 minutes ago that Leave would certainly win? Stop trolling. Noone knows. I don't fucking know.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2016 19:59:15 GMT -5
Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain. Weren't you spouting 30 minutes ago that Leave would certainly win? Stop trolling. Come off it, I hardly think batfink is trolling - this is a night of peaks and troughs.
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jun 23, 2016 19:59:33 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts at the minute? I'm pretty pessimistic here... Very slight remain win. Birmingham look like a 60% remain win. Big cities will swing it (just) for remain. Fucking hope so mate although England are trying their hardest at the moment.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 23, 2016 20:00:41 GMT -5
The SkyNews reporting is doing my head in - every Vote Out gets some sort of explanation that it'll make little difference. Bullshit. Own up and say things aren't going too well atm, ffs.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 23, 2016 20:01:48 GMT -5
If Leave win will Corbyn go?
Who knows. Possibility though.
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