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Post by Zingbot on Jan 31, 2020 19:06:09 GMT -5
What a hypocrite! He changed his opinion over the course of 22 years! What an asshole! He’s still giving us songs as b-sides in addition to the remixes too. Which is pretty rare nowadays. Plucking a random artist out of the air for comparison: I believe Liam has released zero songs as b-sides to date. X Yeah, he really just doesn't get enough respect from Oasis fans. They'd rather have DLBIAv2. As for the B sides, it's amazing he's kept going. He hasn't done it this EP cycle for obvious reasons, but hopefully he does it for his next album. Liam doesn't do anything that doesn't help him push album copies/singles sales.
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Post by mossy on Feb 1, 2020 3:15:56 GMT -5
He’s still giving us songs as b-sides in addition to the remixes too. Which is pretty rare nowadays. Plucking a random artist out of the air for comparison: I believe Liam has released zero songs as b-sides to date. X Yeah, he really just doesn't get enough respect from Oasis fans. They'd rather have DLBIAv2. As for the B sides, it's amazing he's kept going. He hasn't done it this EP cycle for obvious reasons, but hopefully he does it for his next album. Liam doesn't do anything that doesn't help him push album copies/singles sales. I think he has done b-sides in this EP cycle. He registered the EPs as singles with the Official Chart Company. So arguably they are A sides + 2 b sides. Or in the case of BMR a double A side with a b side. X
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Post by daviesh on Feb 1, 2020 6:46:43 GMT -5
What a hypocrite! He changed his opinion over the course of 22 years! What an asshole! He’s still giving us songs as b-sides in addition to the remixes too. Which is pretty rare nowadays. Plucking a random artist out of the air for comparison: I believe Liam has released zero songs as b-sides to date. X To be fair LG dumps all the songs that you would traditional consider for b-side material as bonus songs on deluxe editions of the albums. LG has always been pretty generous with content in my opinion.
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Post by mossy on Feb 1, 2020 6:56:54 GMT -5
He’s still giving us songs as b-sides in addition to the remixes too. Which is pretty rare nowadays. Plucking a random artist out of the air for comparison: I believe Liam has released zero songs as b-sides to date. X To be fair LG dumps all the songs that you would traditional consider for b-side material as bonus songs on deluxe editions of the albums. LG has always been pretty generous with content in my opinion. That was only, what, 3 songs with As You Were? I’ve always thought his physical singles were completely pointless tbh. You get an etching instead of music as the b-side? Seems to me to just be a way of milking collectors. Personally I only buy singles and EPs if there’s new music on them. Which Noel has been fairly good at. There’s still an element of milking with the different colours and picture discs, but generally there’s been new material at least. I’m not intending to single Liam out for criticism here. Just using him as an example of a wider trend. I’ve not done the maths but I’m pretty sure Noel has been more generous with b-sides and bonus tracks. These EPs are all bonus for me, we could’ve just been waiting for years for the next album instead! X
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Post by bt95 on Feb 1, 2020 7:08:02 GMT -5
Yeah. I’m not sure why some keep are complaining. This was fun over the last year. I’ll take this over Noel disappearing for 2 years with nothing for us. Better to keep fans engaged and excited. Love when artists do this kind of stuff. Especially now with short attention spans in society. Thank you, next. I don't understand the abuse he gets. He's catered for all audiences with the EPs I think. But I guess some folk just want the dreary plodding drudgery of pre-Moon without any variety. Why in gods name I don't know. When all the EP songs are put together they make for a balanced and good album - for me one that matches any of the solo material from either brother. There's really only two or three songs that are any different to what Noel's done before, as well.
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Post by daviesh on Feb 1, 2020 7:21:53 GMT -5
To be fair LG dumps all the songs that you would traditional consider for b-side material as bonus songs on deluxe editions of the albums. LG has always been pretty generous with content in my opinion. That was only, what, 3 songs with As You Were? I’ve always thought his physical singles were completely pointless tbh. You get an etching instead of music as the b-side? Seems to me to just be a way of milking collectors. Personally I only buy singles and EPs if there’s new music on them. Which Noel has been fairly good at. There’s still an element of milking with the different colours and picture discs, but generally there’s been new material at least. I’m not intending to single Liam out for criticism here. Just using him as an example of a wider trend. I’ve not done the maths but I’m pretty sure Noel has been more generous with b-sides and bonus tracks. These EPs are all bonus for me, we could’ve just been waiting for years for the next album instead! X I don't wanna start a Liam vs Noel debate - as they are always tedious. But its not a bad output from two albums: Three bonus, and three live songs from Air Studios for AYW. Four bonus songs from WM?WN. And now we have the 8 track Acoustic Sessions mini-album. I do agree about the etched b-sides. Annoying. But both brothers milk the multiple editions - as does Oasis with last years anniversary vinyls - seems to be the modern method of milking the cash cow. Perhaps losing to Country House with their two CD singles had a lasting effect! haha.
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Post by mossy on Feb 1, 2020 7:27:55 GMT -5
Noel’s view on remixes as b-sides back in 98: “I've always been a fan of The Jam and the Smiths and they always had ace B-sides. So it was just my upbringing as a songwriter, really - I don't see the point in putting out a single and bringing out six remixes. That to me is just ripping people off” & that's why "The shock of the lightning" didn't make it to #1. There were other contributing factors, such as it only having one b-side and that both the a-side and b-side were both released to radio several weeks before the single was released so were widely heard and fileshared. Even with remixes as b-sides TSOTL could’ve gone to #1 if marketed properly. X
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Post by mossy on Feb 1, 2020 7:29:17 GMT -5
That was only, what, 3 songs with As You Were? I’ve always thought his physical singles were completely pointless tbh. You get an etching instead of music as the b-side? Seems to me to just be a way of milking collectors. Personally I only buy singles and EPs if there’s new music on them. Which Noel has been fairly good at. There’s still an element of milking with the different colours and picture discs, but generally there’s been new material at least. I’m not intending to single Liam out for criticism here. Just using him as an example of a wider trend. I’ve not done the maths but I’m pretty sure Noel has been more generous with b-sides and bonus tracks. These EPs are all bonus for me, we could’ve just been waiting for years for the next album instead! X I don't wanna start a Liam vs Noel debate - as they are always tedious. But its not a bad output from two albums: Three bonus, and three live songs from Air Studios for AYW. Four bonus songs from WM?WN. And now we have the 8 track Acoustic Sessions mini-album. I do agree about the etched b-sides. Annoying. But both brothers milk the multiple editions - as does Oasis with last years anniversary vinyls - seems to be the modern method of milking the cash cow. Perhaps losing to Country House with their two CD singles had a lasting effect! haha. I don’t count the live alternative takes in this “proper songs as b-sides” discussion though; they’re “old skool remixes”... Anyway, my main point here is if people don’t like remixes, fine don’t listen to them, but Noel has given us plenty of new bonus songs anyway. More than most other artists do these days. So people should quit whining ;-P X
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 1, 2020 11:07:44 GMT -5
Yeah, he really just doesn't get enough respect from Oasis fans. They'd rather have DLBIAv2. As for the B sides, it's amazing he's kept going. He hasn't done it this EP cycle for obvious reasons, but hopefully he does it for his next album. Liam doesn't do anything that doesn't help him push album copies/singles sales. I think he has done b-sides in this EP cycle. He registered the EPs as singles with the Official Chart Company. So arguably they are A sides + 2 b sides. Or in the case of BMR a double A side with a b side. X In that case, you would be correct.
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Post by matt on Feb 7, 2020 19:25:01 GMT -5
This really is one of his best songs in years. I love the propulsive hard hitting wall of sound production, the funky brass and the Marvin Gaye style melody. One of his best vocals too. Soul infused rock, sounds like a revved up Style Council tune.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 8, 2020 15:20:36 GMT -5
For the sake of the argument above, I've compiled this. Noel:
NGHFB- 10 tracks, 5 B sides, 1 remix.
Chasing Yesterday- 10 songs, 4 B sides, 1 remix, an entire remix album.
WBTM?- 11 songs, 3 B Sides.
Beady Eye:
DGSS- 13 songs, 3 Bonus Tracks.
BE- 11 songs, 7 bonus tracks.
Liam:
AYW- 12 songs, 3 bonus tracks, 3 Live Tracks
WMWN- 11 songs, (3)4 bonus tracks.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 8, 2020 16:54:09 GMT -5
For the sake of the argument above, I've compiled this. Noel: NGHFB- 10 tracks, 5 B sides, 1 remix. Chasing Yesterday- 10 songs, 4 B sides, 1 remix, an entire remix album. WBTM?- 11 songs, 3 B Sides. Beady Eye: DGSS- 13 songs, 3 Bonus Tracks. BE- 11 songs, 7 bonus tracks. Liam: AYW- 12 songs, 3 bonus tracks, 3 Live Tracks WMWN- 11 songs, (3)4 bonus tracks. DGSS has 6 B-sides. Sons of the Stage World Outside My Room Two of a Kind Man of Misery In the Bubble with a Bullet Across The Universe and CY has 5 b-sides. Do the Damage Revolution Song Freaky Teeth Leave My Guitar Alone Here's a Candle (For Your Birthday Cake)
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Post by uboasis on Feb 8, 2020 17:06:12 GMT -5
For the sake of the argument above, I've compiled this. WBTM?- 11 songs, 3 B Sides.Dead in the Water, God Helps Us All? Am I missing anything? What's the third?
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 8, 2020 17:08:08 GMT -5
For the sake of the argument above, I've compiled this. WBTM?- 11 songs, 3 B Sides.Dead in the Water, God Helps Us All? Am I missing anything? What's the third? Alone on the Rope?
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Post by uboasis on Feb 8, 2020 17:10:21 GMT -5
Dead in the Water, God Helps Us All? Am I missing anything? What's the third? Alone on the Rope? I guess that's probably what he meant, although I think of it from the NGHFB album.
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 8, 2020 20:39:01 GMT -5
I really really hope Noel plays Where Did It All Go Wrong next month at TCT. Or at least something interesting from SOTSOG for the 20th anniversary.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 8, 2020 22:39:15 GMT -5
For the sake of the argument above, I've compiled this. WBTM?- 11 songs, 3 B Sides.Dead in the Water, God Helps Us All? Am I missing anything? What's the third? Sorry, I actually included AOTR accidentally.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 9, 2020 8:41:08 GMT -5
Had a listen back to the EP tunes this morning, enjoyed them more when they're bunched together after a period of not playing them. There's some good variety, the melodies are nice, the production is clean and clear, and they make for a solid little in-between EP when you round up the best together. This is what I'll putting in my library:
THIS IS THE PLACE - EP 1. This is the Place 2. Blue Moon Rising 3. Come On Outside 4. A Dream is All I Need to Get By 5. Wandering Star 6. Black Star Dancing 7. Sail On
Not a bad half-hour when you're in the mood.
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Post by marianna on Feb 9, 2020 9:12:30 GMT -5
Had a listen back to the EP tunes this morning, enjoyed them more when they're bunched together after a period of not playing them. There's some good variety, the melodies are nice, the production is clean and clear, and they make for a solid little in-between EP when you round up the best together. This is what I'll putting in my library: THIS IS THE PLACE - EP1. This is the Place 2. Blue Moon Rising 3. Come On Outside 4. A Dream is All I Need to Get By 5. Wandering Star 6. Black Star Dancing 7. Sail On Not a bad half-hour when you're in the mood. I'd add Rattling Rose somewhere between those songs. I just love that little nod to Bossa Nova. Otherwise, I agree
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 9, 2020 11:32:10 GMT -5
'Holy Mountain' is a slab of fun but I read a comment recently on Youtube comparing it to 'Ça plane pour moi' by Plastic Bertrand and it's spot on. Noel clearly lifted large elements of it. I like 'Holy Mountain' but it's not as good as 'Ça plane pour moi'.
I've also commented before that I think 'The Man Who Built The Moon' is inspired by 'Gyöngyhajú lány' by Hungarian band Omega, though I think the only thing Noel specifically lifts off the track is the drum beat.
What else inspired Who Built the Moon? Fort Knox was inspired by 'The Power' by Kanye West and I think I recall Noel comparing She Taught Me How To Fly with Blondie. Anyone know any more?
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 9, 2020 15:47:48 GMT -5
I've also commented before that I think 'The Man Who Built The Moon' is inspired by 'Gyöngyhajú lány' by Hungarian band Omega, though I think the only thing Noel specifically lifts off the track is the drum beat. Now this is one comparison I never would've thought of. It's a great one though.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 9, 2020 17:28:00 GMT -5
'Holy Mountain' is a slab of fun but I read a comment recently on Youtube comparing it to 'Ça plane pour moi' by Plastic Bertrand and it's spot on. Noel clearly lifted large elements of it. I like 'Holy Mountain' but it's not as good as 'Ça plane pour moi'. I've also commented before that I think 'The Man Who Built The Moon' is inspired by 'Gyöngyhajú lány' by Hungarian band Omega, though I think the only thing Noel specifically lifts off the track is the drum beat. What else inspired Who Built the Moon? Fort Knox was inspired by 'The Power' by Kanye West and I think I recall Noel comparing She Taught Me How To Fly with Blondie. Anyone know any more? I think Noel did say he'd nicked the Plastic Bertrand bit when he talked about Holy Mountain. Definitely referenced them.
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Post by matt on Feb 11, 2020 13:43:51 GMT -5
What else inspired Who Built the Moon? Fort Knox was inspired by 'The Power' by Kanye West and I think I recall Noel comparing She Taught Me How To Fly with Blondie. Anyone know any more? What a find, nice! Can hear the influence for sure. Wonder if it was inspired by David Holmes record collection or am I not giving Noel enough credit for the niche find?!
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 11, 2020 17:37:17 GMT -5
What else inspired Who Built the Moon? Fort Knox was inspired by 'The Power' by Kanye West and I think I recall Noel comparing She Taught Me How To Fly with Blondie. Anyone know any more? What a find, nice! Can hear the influence for sure. Wonder if it was inspired by David Holmes record collection or am I not giving Noel enough credit for the niche find?! Thanks. I'd been listening to it around the time WBTM? came out. I don't know if it was completely new to me but it came to my attention via an article on Kanye West sampling it for 'New Slaves' HERE . Perhaps another Kanye link? How niche it is though I don't know. A quick look on Spotify shows it having about 5.5 million listens. Is that a lot? Who knows... Edit:
After a quick Google it appears that one of the tracks Noel chose for his regular Xmas appearance on Steve Lamacq's BBC6 Music show in 2015 was indeed this song.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 11, 2020 20:35:32 GMT -5
Gyongyhalu lany isn't a niche song, it was a big hit in Europe back in the 60s when it was released (including Britain). Pretty sure it was covered by a heavy metal band (I forget which one) and it's seen a fair amount of media use too. Deservedly too, given how euphoric that guitar riff is. In fact I'd heard it before I'd heard New Slaves. The one thing I'm surprised by is that Noel didn't rip off more than just the drum beat.
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