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Post by As You Built The Moon on Nov 15, 2015 14:41:21 GMT -5
When TMP came out, I didn't have any regular internet access but just happened to be lucky enough to see a tv ad for it when it was released so I knew it was out there. I picked it up at Best Buy and took it home to listen to it thinking it was a whole new album. Then I read the liner notes and found out it was a b-side compilation. I'm not sure I even knew what a b-side was at the time, but that's when I started taking every chance I had to get on AOL and find places to order all the CD singles.
Of course then I started learning that there was a backlash after Be Here Now and that was why it was hard to find Oasis on tv anymore. I wondered how TMP would have been received if the songs weren't previously released and it had been released as its own album, either replacing BHN/SOTSOG or as an in-between.
I'm not sure what songs I would take out or add. I guess you wouldn't want IATW on there, and Listen Up and Fade Away took a while for me to warm up to, but overall it flows like a normal album. I doubt it would have preserved their phenomenon status, but they'd have been remembered more favorably.
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 15, 2015 14:55:05 GMT -5
My experience is similar to yours. I saw the advert on MuchMusic a few times for The Masterplan, mostly bits of the Aquiesce video with text and commentary. It came out Nov 1998, when most of the love for Oasis had dissipated but people still knew who they were.
When I got the album, I also didnt know the songs were from previous years, nor did I know what a bside. But to me it was, and still is, the best collection of OAsis songs yet. This album shows you what sort of music Oasis do and captures that essential feeling of yearning and escape that is so prominent in their best moments. If someone were to ask me what Oasis were all about, I'd recommend they listen to this album first.
This was the album that made me a mad fer it. This was when i started seeking out all the singles at second hand shops and downloading live recordings and visiting forums. The Masterplan album was a major event in my Oasis life and here I am today, still posting on Oasis forums since. The fact that the songs were individually released prior makes absolutely no difference to me.
However, if it were released as a new studio album to the public, I think you would have had some interest, as it was still 1998, but it would have been much more lukewarm and tepid given the BHN reception. The backlash was already in effect but no one knew how long America would hold their grudge against Oasis. It's pretty unnatural.
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Post by jonnim on Nov 15, 2015 14:55:59 GMT -5
I wonder why the 2 live tracks are on there,I no it was a vote,fabulous live but lose something on cd / vinyl,would of preffered a studio b side album,round are way and cloudburst,just my opinion
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 15, 2015 14:56:56 GMT -5
Funnily enough, I was just listening to The Masterplan album this morning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 14:56:57 GMT -5
I personally don't think it would work as an album at all. It's sounds like what it - a compilation. If the right songs had been on their albums though, Oasis would have had an almost unbeatable first run of albums.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 15:20:46 GMT -5
They should have released it in the summer of 1996 or after the Knebworth shows
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 15, 2015 15:33:34 GMT -5
They should have released it in the summer of 1996 or after the Knebworth shows Had it been released in time for Christmas 96 it would probably have sold twice the amount of copies!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 16:39:42 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like an actual album, but the songs are amazing. Listen Up, Half The World Away, The Masterplan, Acquiesce, Talk Tonight and Rockin' Chair are cemented in my personal top 20. Underneath The Sky, Stay Young, Going Nowhere and Fade Away are very good songs, brilliants in their own. Stay Good To Be Free and Headshrinker that are still really good songs. There is everything you need on this compilation: pop orchestral, punk rock, acoustic songs, pure oasis rock. A classic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 16:48:44 GMT -5
still makes me laugh abit that they used such awesome songs as B sides, rockin chair, underneath the sky, half the world away to name a few deserved to be on actual albums.
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 15, 2015 16:57:32 GMT -5
still makes me laugh abit that they used such awesome songs as B sides, rockin chair, underneath the sky, half the world away to name a few deserved to be on actual albums. exactly and that was just another factor why oasis became the band they did.. why they became as band a lot of people loved even more when they saw the 'other/b side of oasis' (especially noel sung b sides) seems a crime that those songs were b sides but equally they nearly got an airing eventually .. except lets all make believe (not masterplan related but epic)
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Nov 15, 2015 17:03:40 GMT -5
I love debating this stuff. And every single opportunity to do a fecking track list. This would have made THE best oasis album if they kept the songs back and released it in 96. Add Whatever to the mix and take off Walrus / swamp and the Songs that wouldn't have been written / produced at that point (stay young and Going nowhere)
Whatever It's good to be free Half the world away Aquiesce Underneath the sky Rocking chair Talk tonight Fade Away Listen Up Headshrinker The Masterplan
Golddust!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 17:05:04 GMT -5
still makes me laugh abit that they used such awesome songs as B sides, rockin chair, underneath the sky, half the world away to name a few deserved to be on actual albums. exactly and that was just another factor why oasis became the band they did.. why they became as band a lot of people loved even more when they saw the 'other/b side of oasis' (especially noel sung b sides) seems a crime that those songs were b sides but equally they nearly got an airing eventually .. except lets all make believe (not masterplan related but epic) It made the glory years even more spectacular that their b sides were as good as the albums songs (if not better) no doubt Noel kicked himself later on though for not being more sparing. lets all make believe is possibly the most underrated song after the 90s run, think its fantastic, shouldve been part of an EP imo.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 15, 2015 17:12:47 GMT -5
When I got into Oasis, all I knew about TM is that it was a compilation album with songs that were left out of their albums, "b-sides", I didn't even know what a b-side was.
My first reaction was that if they didn't make into their albums, then those songs were shit, so I ignored it.
Some months later I saw it low price from a record store and I bought it. I came home and I decided to gave a listen to it.
I was mesmerized, stunned, shocked at how great those songs were, I was asking myself all that night how I didn't listen to it before, it was an Oasis album and I ignored it for silly reasons, shame on me, hell I even bought FTM much before TM.
For me it was like a treasure, I heard all of their albums and thought that their studio albums were all that they had, but then they still had this magnificent compilation, so later I started to dig into their other b-sides and most obscure songs, and my passion for them just grew and grew.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2015 17:52:45 GMT -5
It's been almost 20 years and I still have a hard time getting over "Round Are Way" not being on this COMPILATION.
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Post by Aman on Nov 15, 2015 17:52:40 GMT -5
Headmaster: Sort of the same. Got into Oasis via their albums obviously, then I heard The Masterplan and thought wow! Then started to check out all their other B-Sides like Cloudburst, Alive, Let's All Make Believe, Full On etc then it just snowballed really.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 15, 2015 18:31:56 GMT -5
If finding out the Masterplan is a b-sides compilation doesn't make one realise the incredible catalogue of this band then nothing will.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 15, 2015 18:40:50 GMT -5
I didn’t know it was a b-side album to begin with either, heh. And I still don’t care that it is.
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 15, 2015 20:24:45 GMT -5
Beyond the Masterplan album, the first bsides that I heard made me crave more. They were: D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman, Round Are Way, and I Got the Fever. That was all it took! Sold on this band for life. How exciting it was to discover those tunes. I remember getting those off Napster when it first came out to tide me over until I found all the physical singles.
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Post by Aman on Nov 15, 2015 21:27:54 GMT -5
Beyond the Masterplan album, the first bsides that I heard made me crave more. They were: D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman, Round Are Way, and I Got the Fever. That was all it took! Sold on this band for life. How exciting it was to discover those tunes. I remember getting those off Napster when it first came out to tide me over until I found all the physical singles. I remember using Kazaa circa 2002 it would've been!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 15, 2015 23:47:26 GMT -5
They should have released it in the summer of 1996 or after the Knebworth shows Had it been released in time for Christmas 96 it would probably have sold twice the amount of copies! If they had put it out then and begun a belated North American tour in the early part of 1997 instead of going from the high of Knebworth to collapsing under pressure on the road and back into the studio straight away, then I think as well as selling alot more in the UK that compilation could have helped them immensely establish themselves in the USA. A major US and other territories tour after recharging their batteries, promoting both WTSMG and a b sides compilation minus the BHN era ones but including say Round Are Way would have allowed for varying sets, different radio singles and potentially broken them with PJ/Nirvana style US sales. This is part of what I love and also think FFS! about when discussing Oasis- I can't think of another artist of a similar stature where you can look at so many possible missed opportunities, poor decisions made , etc. Still love the music though, and always will
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 17, 2015 9:37:14 GMT -5
The Masterplan was actually the 2nd Oasis 'album' I listen to and owned (the first being SOTSOG). I got into Oasis during a weird time for the band in the Spring of 2000 and starting with SOTSOG I started buying their back catalogue,
This album was £6.99 in Virgin Megastores (DM and MG were £12.99 and Be Here Now was £16.99!!) so I got this and was blown away!! I loved SOTSOG but the songs on here were on another level. It wasn't until my third play through that I read through the book and realised they were B-Sides!! I sort of knew the concept of a b-side but I assumed they were throw away rubbish tunes, which weren't good enough for albums, I wasn't educated in the subtle art of the b-side by way of The Smiths, Jam or even The Beatles at this stage (I had just turned 14).
I remember thinking 'if the b-sides are this good, how bloody good are those albums?!!'. I had never been so excited about anything, I felt like this new musical world had opened up to me having previously been a slave to the radio singles and multi artist compilations.
Contrary to a few people I think the album would have worked very well as a studio album albeit with a few tweaks.
The below would have been great, if recorded during the same sessions and therefore sharing the same production values;
Acquiesce Stay Young Underneath The Sky Talk Tonight Round Are Way Fade Away Rockin Chair Listen Up Half The World Away (It's Good) To Be Free Headshrinker The Masterplan
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Post by cloudburster on Nov 17, 2015 16:36:05 GMT -5
If that was their 3rd studio album - in August 1997 - with Acquiesce (1st single), Half The World Away, Rockin' Chair, The Masterplan, Stay Young, Underneath The Sky on it, it would've sold as much as Be Here Now initially, and carried on well into 1998... would have been massive. Maybe not MG massive (no Wonderwall / DLBIA) but would've match Definitely Maybe.. definitely
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 18:19:13 GMT -5
If that was their 3rd studio album - in August 1997 - with Acquiesce (1st single), Half The World Away, Rockin' Chair, The Masterplan, Stay Young, Underneath The Sky on it, it would've sold as much as Be Here Now initially, and carried on well into 1998... would have been massive. Maybe not MG massive (no Wonderwall / DLBIA) but would've match Definitely Maybe.. definitely yea I think BHN lacked any really big traditional oasis anthems so to speak like live forever, wonderwall etc, maybe songs like acquiesce could of rectified that, stay young shouldve been on BHN imo, I remember seeing a comment from a fan on release day who said something like "Its just sounds like the same stuff" and while I think BHN has got some pretty good songs on there, none truely stand out like for example some might say or supersonic etc none of them are songs that the public could latch on to, Im sure had BHN been abit more commerical then it probably wouldve been higher regarded over time but even so I think oasis wouldve still been on the come down purely because people were moving on abit from that britpop scene I think, it might of just lasted abit longer for them. I do think though that the nature and general quality of the songs on the masterplan wouldve given them a much better shot at tackling the expectations from morning glory.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 17, 2015 19:19:55 GMT -5
When I got into Oasis, all I knew about TM is that it was a compilation album with songs that were left out of their albums, "b-sides", I didn't even know what a b-side was. My first reaction was that if they didn't make into their albums, then those songs were shit, so I ignored it. Some months later I saw it low price from a record store and I bought it. I came home and I decided to gave a listen to it. I was mesmerized, stunned, shocked at how great those songs were, I was asking myself all that night how I didn't listen to it before, it was an Oasis album and I ignored it for silly reasons, shame on me, hell I even bought FTM much before TM. For me it was like a treasure, I heard all of their albums and thought that their studio albums were all that they had, but then they still had this magnificent compilation, so later I started to dig into their other b-sides and most obscure songs, and my passion for them just grew and grew. It's funny - I had a similar experience with the b-sides not on The Masterplan. I thought that all the b-sides there were were on TM, so when I started finding dozens more on YouTube I was completely shocked...some really great ones too. I've always disliked how IATW and The Swamp Song are on it, it destroys the flow and really doesn't sound right. Replace those two with Spaceman/The Fame/The Fever/Alive and we have a serious contender for best Oasis album. (Obviously, it still is ridiculously good for a b-side album - like Hatful of Hollow.)
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 18, 2015 2:04:08 GMT -5
Be Here Now doesn't have any standout tracks?
D'You Know What I Mean just knocked on the door and said hello.
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