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Post by dampcottage on Feb 28, 2022 13:44:36 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from?
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 28, 2022 13:47:09 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from? North of England, land of drizzle and good music and flat caps.
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Post by shadowplay on Feb 28, 2022 14:30:14 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from? Norfolk, Great Yarmouth specifically. I've traveled the country following certain bands and I'm yet to see a more desolate and depressing place than my home town, I've had a good night out with some wonderful and interesting people in all towns and cities across the country but everytime I venture out here someone gets stabbed, I witness a group of lads beat the snot out of a girl, I see houses get smashed in, people beaten to a pulp for talking to the wrong girl etc combined with an 10% unemployment rate, it being one of the main brexit supporting towns lots of vaccine skepticism and just general rude, ignorant people, it's a shit place to live. I bet you wouldn't think a place like this exists in such a state in the south east, but it does and it's a hellhole. Maybe that plays into my current pessimism, who knows, people here experience nothing but relentless misery, maybe that is playing into my outlook on the war somewhat.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2022 16:45:39 GMT -5
TheEscapist and shadowplay, curious to know where are you both from? Norfolk, Great Yarmouth specifically. I've traveled the country following certain bands and I'm yet to see a more desolate and depressing place than my home town, I've had a good night out with some wonderful and interesting people in all towns and cities across the country but everytime I venture out here someone gets stabbed, I witness a group of lads beat the snot out of a girl, I see houses get smashed in, people beaten to a pulp for talking to the wrong girl etc combined with an 10% unemployment rate, it being one of the main brexit supporting towns lots of vaccine skepticism and just general rude, ignorant people, it's a shit place to live. I bet you wouldn't think a place like this exists in such a state in the south east, but it does and it's a hellhole. Maybe that plays into my current pessimism, who knows, people here experience nothing but relentless misery, maybe that is playing into my outlook on the war somewhat. Used to go to Yarmouth for summer holidays as a kid. I went back there a few years ago on cricket tour, it was sad to see.
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Post by globe on Feb 28, 2022 16:46:37 GMT -5
What are our plans if all hell breaks loose? I am in a difficult locations when it comes to a nuclear exchange, Norfolk is a large, sparsely populated rural area and our major city is of no strategic threat, however we have US air force bases and a Nuclear power plant in relatively close proximity which would mean our fate would be death via radiation sickness, starvation, thirst, freezing to death or cancer which sounds horrific when coupled with the traumatic effect of the war. Theres also a Russian strategy that would be considered of dropping a few of their truely monstrous hydrogen bombs along our coast line to cause us to get flooded with poisoned water preventing any chance of survival I have a local supermarket that I can run to in about 3 minutes, I'll be hiding in the industrial freezer unit with anyone else who has that idea, the emp blast would knock out the power so we wouldn't freeze and there would be supplies but if Putin activates his coastal hydrogen bomb strategy then we're completely screwed, I'd almost rather be in London where the event would be over before I had time to react. I'll also be getting ripped sh!tless on whiskey and pharmaceutical opioids. I wouldn't worry about the end of the world just yet. Head to Kings Lynn, then you'll be in a position to head north. I'm closer to London that you but I'll be going to Scotland! You’ll no be any safer up here. The whole Trident infrastructure is at Faslane and there are seven decommissioned nuclear submarines rotting away in Rosyth - Putin would be dropping a nice big nuke on both of those rendering pretty much the whole of the country fucked. You’d need to get yourself to Orkney or Shetland.
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Post by jezza2 on Feb 28, 2022 18:17:46 GMT -5
How bad do you have to fuck up for SWITZERLAND to freeze your bank accounts.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 1, 2022 1:43:19 GMT -5
I don't wish for karma on anyone but I hope Pauline Hanson is seeing now what an idiot she was when she said Australia wants Putin type leadership. We don't, you do.
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Post by funhouse on Mar 1, 2022 5:33:36 GMT -5
Russian casualties now more than American casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. It's almost impossible to grasp. In a country with less control of its population Putin would already be dangling from a telephone pole by now.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Mar 1, 2022 12:16:16 GMT -5
How does Putin want this 60 km long convoy without heading into the seperated states?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 13:51:16 GMT -5
Putin has failed his invasion remarkably. That convoy is now dead in the water. It's a logistical nightmare. He needed to push in the first 48 hours if he wanted to get into Kiev.
What is likely at this point is for that convoy to either be blown to smithereens or for the soldiers to give up and walk back to their own border. Ukraine will get a nice bit of equipment in the process. The question now is when this occurs, how will Putin respond? Will he be upset enough to press the big red button? Because if those troops do disobey orders and go home, Putin's days in charge are numbered and likely to end violently via a coup. He does not strike me as the type that will walk away silently and after all the chaos he's caused, I have to wonder if Russians will even allow that.
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Post by funhouse on Mar 1, 2022 14:10:41 GMT -5
Putin has failed his invasion remarkably. That convoy is now dead in the water. Where are you getting this info?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 14:13:53 GMT -5
Putin has failed his invasion remarkably. That convoy is now dead in the water. Where are you getting this info? Yahoo news? That news has been out for several hours now that it's stalled 15 miles away from Kyiv.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 1, 2022 14:50:22 GMT -5
Putin has failed his invasion remarkably. That convoy is now dead in the water. It's a logistical nightmare. He needed to push in the first 48 hours if he wanted to get into Kiev. What is likely at this point is for that convoy to either be blown to smithereens or for the soldiers to give up and walk back to their own border. Ukraine will get a nice bit of equipment in the process. The question now is when this occurs, how will Putin respond? Will he be upset enough to press the big red button? Because if those troops do disobey orders and go home, Putin's days in charge are numbered and likely to end violently via a coup. He does not strike me as the type that will walk away silently and after all the chaos he's caused, I have to wonder if Russians will even allow that. It’s just as likely that supplies are being built up in preparation for the assault. Hence the pause. Any talk of of Russian failure at this point, is premature.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 15:38:26 GMT -5
Putin has failed his invasion remarkably. That convoy is now dead in the water. It's a logistical nightmare. He needed to push in the first 48 hours if he wanted to get into Kiev. What is likely at this point is for that convoy to either be blown to smithereens or for the soldiers to give up and walk back to their own border. Ukraine will get a nice bit of equipment in the process. The question now is when this occurs, how will Putin respond? Will he be upset enough to press the big red button? Because if those troops do disobey orders and go home, Putin's days in charge are numbered and likely to end violently via a coup. He does not strike me as the type that will walk away silently and after all the chaos he's caused, I have to wonder if Russians will even allow that. It’s just as likely that supplies are being built up in preparation for the assault. Hence the pause. Any talk of of Russian failure at this point, is premature. The report is that the stall is due to a lack of resources, running out of fuel etc ...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 1, 2022 16:40:35 GMT -5
It’s just as likely that supplies are being built up in preparation for the assault. Hence the pause. Any talk of of Russian failure at this point, is premature. The report is that the stall is due to a lack of resources, running out of fuel etc ... That might be the report but it might not be the reality. The effort to quickly overrun Ukraine failed. A slower build up to land a bigger, heavier blow would not be surprising.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 16:46:28 GMT -5
The report is that the stall is due to a lack of resources, running out of fuel etc ... That might be the report but it might not be the reality. The effort to quickly overrun Ukraine failed. A slower build up to land a bigger, heavier blow would not be surprising. Seems to be accurate nonetheless. I would not be surprised if the entire effort falls apart after their initial failure, in conjunction with economic collapse, country-wide protests, and international support for Ukraine. There are also reports of Russian soldiers simply leaving their equipment and abandoning their posts. This is not going Putin's way.
It was probably a huge mistake to spread his forces if he wished to take Kyiv.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 1, 2022 16:49:30 GMT -5
That might be the report but it might not be the reality. The effort to quickly overrun Ukraine failed. A slower build up to land a bigger, heavier blow would not be surprising. Seems to be accurate nonetheless. I would not be surprised if the entire effort falls apart after their initial failure, in conjunction with economic collapse, country-wide protests, and international support for Ukraine. There are also reports of Russian soldiers simply leaving their equipment and abandoning their posts. This is not going Putin's way.
It was probably a huge mistake to spread his forces if he wished to take Kyiv.
Seems to be accurate based on what? I mean I hope it it is, but the thought that Russia are totally incapable of launching a combined assault on Kyiv seems unlikely.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 17:06:23 GMT -5
Seems to be accurate nonetheless. I would not be surprised if the entire effort falls apart after their initial failure, in conjunction with economic collapse, country-wide protests, and international support for Ukraine. There are also reports of Russian soldiers simply leaving their equipment and abandoning their posts. This is not going Putin's way.
It was probably a huge mistake to spread his forces if he wished to take Kyiv.
Seems to be accurate based on what? I mean I hope it it is, but the thought that Russia are totally incapable of launching a combined assault on Kyiv seems unlikely. Based on the evidence that the invasion is falling apart. The soldiers are already starving, already running out of gas, already running out of supplies, already abandoning their posts and obviously, Putin has failed any propaganda machine that would have brought him public support from his own people, hence nationwide protests and mass incarcerations of citizens. That's happening just 6 days into the war. That's a big red flag.
Right now that convoy is a sitting duck. If Ukraine takes out bridges and airstrikes the convoy in any capacity, this will make it extremely difficult for them to make it the last 15 miles in vehicles, even if they manage to get gasoline. Those roads aren't super wide. The terrain is often muddy, easy for vehicles to get stuck in. The roads are fairly sparse in number.
I mean, short of straight up announcing the invasion has failed and that they are backing out of Ukraine, what other evidence do you need to think that it's been a monumental failure so far? What else would you expect?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 1, 2022 17:35:37 GMT -5
Sometimes you just need to laugh.
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Post by funhouse on Mar 1, 2022 17:36:02 GMT -5
Where are you getting this info? Yahoo news? That news has been out for several hours now that it's stalled 15 miles away from Kyiv. Guess my sources suck, got these news an hour ago. Great to hear.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 1, 2022 17:41:13 GMT -5
Seems to be accurate based on what? I mean I hope it it is, but the thought that Russia are totally incapable of launching a combined assault on Kyiv seems unlikely. Based on the evidence that the invasion is falling apart. The soldiers are already starving, already running out of gas, already running out of supplies, already abandoning their posts and obviously, Putin has failed any propaganda machine that would have brought him public support from his own people, hence nationwide protests and mass incarcerations of citizens. That's happening just 6 days into the war. That's a big red flag.
Right now that convoy is a sitting duck. If Ukraine takes out bridges and airstrikes the convoy in any capacity, this will make it extremely difficult for them to make it the last 15 miles in vehicles, even if they manage to get gasoline. Those roads aren't super wide. The terrain is often muddy, easy for vehicles to get stuck in. The roads are fairly sparse in number.
I mean, short of straight up announcing the invasion has failed and that they are backing out of Ukraine, what other evidence do you need to think that it's been a monumental failure so far? What else would you expect?
Bombing and shelling is intensifying tonight, presumably as prelude to an assault. If Russia withdraw, it’s not because they can’t continue to take parts of Ukraine but because of economic, political and public pressures.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 1, 2022 17:44:00 GMT -5
Based on the evidence that the invasion is falling apart. The soldiers are already starving, already running out of gas, already running out of supplies, already abandoning their posts and obviously, Putin has failed any propaganda machine that would have brought him public support from his own people, hence nationwide protests and mass incarcerations of citizens. That's happening just 6 days into the war. That's a big red flag.
Right now that convoy is a sitting duck. If Ukraine takes out bridges and airstrikes the convoy in any capacity, this will make it extremely difficult for them to make it the last 15 miles in vehicles, even if they manage to get gasoline. Those roads aren't super wide. The terrain is often muddy, easy for vehicles to get stuck in. The roads are fairly sparse in number.
I mean, short of straight up announcing the invasion has failed and that they are backing out of Ukraine, what other evidence do you need to think that it's been a monumental failure so far? What else would you expect?
Bombing and shelling is intensifying tonight, presumably as prelude to an assault. If Russia withdraw, it’s not because they can’t continue to take parts of Ukraine but because of economic, political and public pressures. They can continue to take parts of Ukraine. The question is whether or not they can take the capital. And right now, the situation is to the great advantage of Ukraine. If Russia fails to take the capital, then there's a good chance they will not succeed in occupying the country.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 1, 2022 18:09:28 GMT -5
How is severely economically sanctioning Putin any different than the Allies punishing Germany with likewise economic collapse for the first World War? How is Ukraine any different than the Sudetenland?
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 1, 2022 18:27:59 GMT -5
Bombing and shelling is intensifying tonight, presumably as prelude to an assault. If Russia withdraw, it’s not because they can’t continue to take parts of Ukraine but because of economic, political and public pressures. They can continue to take parts of Ukraine. The question is whether or not they can take the capital. No, they definitely can. The question is how far are they willing to go in case resistance is too great. Do they start bombing the city and risk killing thousands of innocent people under the eye of the world? Because they would have to break the morale of those remaining soldiers and citizens.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 1, 2022 18:53:38 GMT -5
How is severely economically sanctioning Putin any different than the Allies punishing Germany with likewise economic collapse for the first World War? How is Ukraine any different than the Sudetenland? These comparisons are really stupid. Go check a history book please
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