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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 22, 2022 18:54:02 GMT -5
Data will always trump anecdote. Thanks. Interestingly one of the articles shows that residents in those countries are nostalgic for Soviet rule while by most metrics standards of living have gone up.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 22, 2022 18:54:35 GMT -5
If the Soviet Union had actually been based around worker Soviets, none of this would be happening. Fucking Lenin. Knobhead. I don't think Marx would be very impressed with the way its gone.
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Post by jezza2 on Feb 22, 2022 18:57:59 GMT -5
What are we defining as Soviet countries? Are we talking about countries that were under soviet influence before World War II or after? I'd assume after, because in many of those interviews people reference the 60's-80's Ah ok. I know certain countries have had a hard time on their own after the collapse of the Soviet Union (Looking at you, Romania). I just don't think most of the countries would ever want to go back to Soviet Union. Some have thrived and some haven't.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 23, 2022 4:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by shadowplay on Feb 23, 2022 6:13:19 GMT -5
We are led by the least among us, the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary- Terence McKenna Spot on and the root cause of every problem with the world. I always prefer the more crude analogy of how the shit always floats to the top of society, because that's what humanities 'leaders' are, pieces of shit.
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Post by shadowplay on Feb 23, 2022 11:13:03 GMT -5
Also it has to be said, what a relentlessly miserable time it is to be alive. I wish everyone would refuse to join military institutions and stop playing their game, rob these scum of their power and control over us. If everyone in every country refused to fight these dangerous lunatics wouldn't be able to murder to satisfy their lust for power and control anymore. The only power these (un1s have is what we give them, I'd rather take a bullet to the back of the head than kill another human over the petty squabbles of the rich and powerful, if conscription was reintroduced and I had to chose between kill or being killed I'd take the bullet. So then it just completely blows my mind that people would voluntarily sign up to join armys and give these pieces of shit their power.
Just think about how absurd this is for a second. One deluded old man thinks the lines on a map are wrong, people then voluntarily sign up to give him power and authority and then kill other human beings because of the insane voices in his head, they don't have to, they choose to and the old man himself has no innate power, it's power that people choose to give him. Imagine trying to explain that situation to another intelligent species and imagine what their reaction would be? It's just fucking crazy to me.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 23, 2022 15:02:48 GMT -5
If the Soviet Union had actually been based around worker Soviets, none of this would be happening. Fucking Lenin. Knobhead. I don't think Marx would be very impressed with the way its gone. As a pretty far leftist myself I hate how many people have a hard on for Russia. It’s literally one of the worst examples of communism
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 23, 2022 15:09:19 GMT -5
I don't think Marx would be very impressed with the way its gone. As a pretty far leftist myself I hate how many people have a hard on for Russia. It’s literally one of the worst examples of communism Russia gave up any meaningful idea of socialism when Lenin decided that working people couldn't democratically run their workplace, and needed a vanguard of enlightened state leaders to do it for them. Which is just capitalism but with a national anthem. Not even content with that, he also violently cracked down on genuine socialism emerging in the Ukraine of the time. The wheel turns, nothing is new under the sun, etc.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 23, 2022 15:35:25 GMT -5
Everything that Putin now does, he can say, Western nations did too, why can't I? And they do it still.
I can explain 24/7 some things about Yugoslavian wars/Kosovo but nobody seems to care. Or Djokovic situation. Yes, he is dick, but there is law and you can't do what you want. You can't bomb Yugoslavia just like that and civilian targets.
But Western nations felt so mighty and superior.
Serbia is shithole country today but at least I am glad that I can see some things as they are and to live in "grey area".
Fuck Putin and fuck NATO, I only hope that there will be peace and that all innocent people will not get hurt.
Catalans wants independence but they will not risk their lives to take guns and fight for "fredeom". They are living too good to go into adventures like that.
All Eastern European governments are controled by west and most of the people are having shit life. If Ukrainians or people of Balkan are having good life, they wouldn't even think about wars. But western governments decided to treat us like shit so there you go. We are used to be cheap labour, prositutes and so on so there you go.
If you fuck some Ukrainian prostitute for 10 Euros in Amsterdam, she probably has Russian origins and is ready for revenge one day.
West hates Communism but only respects their fake borders. Wrong desicion by western governments for centuries...someone have to pay for all that now.
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Post by jezza2 on Feb 23, 2022 22:22:42 GMT -5
It's happening. Oh my fucking god it's happening.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 23, 2022 22:59:54 GMT -5
Yep, I saw an explosion on a live cam of Kyiv. Been hearing booms on another cam with sound in Kyiv.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 24, 2022 0:21:46 GMT -5
Dismaying and horrific events. There are already reports of hundreds of casualties. Can’t even imagine the panic and distress of innocent families in Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkiv and elsewhere as the sun rises on a desperate day they hoped would never come. The stakes are about to get insanely high for the entire world, but today my heart is with the children waking up to air-raid sirens and explosions.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 24, 2022 0:47:35 GMT -5
Right now in Odesa, Ukraine.(self) 46.8k points submitted 7 hours ago * by ozzmosiz to r/TrueOffMyChest739& 224 more I'm sitting here with my wife, waiting for full scale war to begin. We have no means to leave country and no where to go when shit hits the fan. And from this perspective every previous problems in my life now feel so... meaningless, it's 2022 in Europe, but here it's 31st of August 1939 here in Ukraine. I'm not scared even anymore, I'm just tired of this waiting. God help our soldiers, and curse those fashists. Edit: 1) I do think of either fleeing with my wife and son (yes I didn't note that i have a pre school kid) or taking them to safety , but kid greatly reduces mobility, and my wife still don't want to flee right now (she believes in our army) 2) Thanks for rewards, and support, but i honestly, Reddit carma is on the bottom list of stuff i care. 3) it's 2:31 am here, and i have to try to catch some sleep. 4) i never thought, but warm words kinda helped me, thank you all, you are the best. 5) Слава Україні! Я вірю в хлопців на фронті. Edit. Its 6:26. We are packed. Kid is sleeping. On early morning, we woke from 2 explosions. War has started. We are preparing to evacuate. We are being striken by missiles www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sztt5t/right_now_in_odesa_ukraine/
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 3:48:34 GMT -5
Sad
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 24, 2022 5:55:18 GMT -5
Everything that Putin now does, he can say, Western nations did too, why can't I? And they do it still. I can explain 24/7 some things about Yugoslavian wars/Kosovo but nobody seems to care. Or Djokovic situation. Yes, he is dick, but there is law and you can't do what you want. You can't bomb Yugoslavia just like that and civilian targets. But Western nations felt so mighty and superior. Serbia is shithole country today but at least I am glad that I can see some things as they are and to live in "grey area". Fuck Putin and fuck NATO, I only hope that there will be peace and that all innocent people will not get hurt. Catalans wants independence but they will not risk their lives to take guns and fight for "fredeom". They are living too good to go into adventures like that. All Eastern European governments are controled by west and most of the people are having shit life. If Ukrainians or people of Balkan are having good life, they wouldn't even think about wars. But western governments decided to treat us like shit so there you go. We are used to be cheap labour, prositutes and so on so there you go. If you fuck some Ukrainian prostitute for 10 Euros in Amsterdam, she probably has Russian origins and is ready for revenge one day. West hates Communism but only respects their fake borders. Wrong desicion by western governments for centuries...someone have to pay for all that now. While the west and NATO do bear responsibility for a lot of shit they aren't the ones who's tanks are rolling across the border of a sovereign nation. Nobody has wanted a war, there seems as little appetite for it in Russia as there is anywhere else. This once again is an argument between old privileged men that decent hard working people are about to pay the ultimate price for.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:26:44 GMT -5
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_YugoslaviaNATO countries attempted to gain authorisation from the UN Security Council for military action, but were opposed by China and Russia, who indicated that they would veto such a measure. As a result, NATO launched its campaign without the UN's approval, stating that it was a humanitarian intervention. The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defence against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:34:49 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, fuck Putin, I am not defending what he is doing 1%. I just think that is maybe time to learn something from past.
The idea of having United Nations and or International law is one of the greatest things in our civilization. But those laws and rules doesn't mean a shit anymore and it's not because of Putin who wasn't even president when those laws were broken.
So, instead that we are all now 100% against Putin and that we are all united to stop this, we now have some people who supports him and understand him, even in Western countries. And sadly, some of their points are valid.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 24, 2022 6:35:56 GMT -5
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_YugoslaviaNATO countries attempted to gain authorisation from the UN Security Council for military action, but were opposed by China and Russia, who indicated that they would veto such a measure. As a result, NATO launched its campaign without the UN's approval, stating that it was a humanitarian intervention. The UN Charter prohibits the use of force except in the case of a decision by the Security Council under Chapter VII, or self-defence against an armed attack – neither of which were present in this case. You need to show more context with that. 'NATO's intervention was prompted by Yugoslavia's bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Albanians, which drove the Albanians into neighbouring countries and had the potential to destabilize the region' Its worth noting that China and Russia have vetoed much in the UN if western led, even when reasonable.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:38:41 GMT -5
That is the reason why we have United Nations and that is the best thing that we can have. NATO attacking Serbia = Russia attacking Ukraine. It doesn't matter who is right, both sides doesn't have any right to attack sovereign country.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:41:53 GMT -5
Maybe it is hard for some westerners to understand but NATO is not world's army, we as people of this world didn't vote for NATO to defend us. It is just military alliance between 28 European countries and 2 North American countries.
United Nations are there for those reasons.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 24, 2022 6:45:52 GMT -5
That is the reason why we have United Nations and that is the best thing that we can have. NATO attacking Serbia = Russia attacking Ukraine. It doesn't matter who is right, both sides doesn't have any right to attack sovereign country. If the United Nations was called together to censure or sanction Russia, there's a good chance it would be vetoed. Can you guess who by?
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:46:55 GMT -5
So, the thing is that you just can't do what you want even if you are right. If you see someone killing your dogs, you can't go out and kill him. There must be some rules and laws or everyone will do what they want, like Putin is now.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 6:50:39 GMT -5
That is the reason why we have United Nations and that is the best thing that we can have. NATO attacking Serbia = Russia attacking Ukraine. It doesn't matter who is right, both sides doesn't have any right to attack sovereign country. If the United Nations was called together to censure or sanction Russia, there's a good chance it would be vetoed. Can you guess who by? I know, but my point is that is late now. Putin is using Kosovo as excuse all the time. All am I saying is that instead that we spent time strengthening United Nations, finding ways and bringing laws to avoid this happening, we all came to this that United Nations and international law doesn't mean shit.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Feb 24, 2022 6:52:53 GMT -5
If the United Nations was called together to censure or sanction Russia, there's a good chance it would be vetoed. Can you guess who by? I know, but my point is that is late now. Putin is using Kosovo as excuse all the time. All am I saying is that instead that we spent time strengthening United Nations, finding ways and bringing laws to avoid this happening, we all came to this that United Nations and international law doesn't mean shit. It doesn't mean shit, because states mostly act in there own interest. The UN is toothless to actually deal with larger states because of the veto. If China invade Taiwan tomorrow, action would be vetoed in the UN.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 24, 2022 7:06:34 GMT -5
And we had so much time to bring laws about what one territory need to be independent.
If you have Republika Srpska and Kosovo, you can't have independent Kosovo and Republika Srpska as part of Bosnia. Milosevic idiot wanted both, West humiliated Serbia and took both for them.
For example, if there was international law that one territory needs to have:
- at least 1 000 000 people - 70 percent of them voted for independence
then that land can be independent and maybe vote to be part of some country.
We can have:
- Crimea, Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic as part of Ukraine
- Kosovo as part of Serbia
- Republika Srpska as part of Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Catalonia as part of Spain
and so on.
Or
- independent Crimea, Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic and then probably part of Russia
- independent Kosovo and then probably part of Albania
- independent Republika Srpska and then probably part of Serbia
- independent Catalonia
and so on.
If we as the world chose any of those two things, many wars would be stopped. As long as we have independent Kosovo, someone like Putin can always say, why then Crimea, Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic can't be independent?
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