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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 3, 2016 9:39:01 GMT -5
@tjalke sorry thought I had posted the below as a reply, not a separate post Hello is co-written by Noel Gallagher/Gary Glitter/Mike Leander because it contains elements of the song, in this case from "Hello, Hello, I'm Back Again" which was reused in parts of "Hello". A sample is when you actually use part of another piece of recorded work and insert it into a new recording, which first became common in hip hop and later electronic music. A sample must have clearance first from the original works publisher otherwise you risk being sued for either royalties or even the withdrawal of said record, such as happened in ABBA vs KLF What is Fair Use? ABBA vs KLF for example. Lifting lyrics, melodies, etc. for an original recording does not require permission but can come with it's own problems if it is too blatant or obvious, as Noel Gallagher found out with 'Whatever' for example, which was originally credited solely to Noel Gallagher until a plagiarism claim was made, with the resulting settlement meaning that Neil Innes was added as a co-writer for the parts taken from 'How Sweet to Be an Idiot'. Kurt Dahl, who is a music industry lawyer and a drummer as well wrote a good piece here on What constitutes songwriting?Only Noel is credited for Whatever on Time Flies. Thanks for this, but I don't understand it. What's the difference between a sample and elements? A question for example: Discothèque by U2 is written by Bono, The Edge, Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen Jr. but it contains a sample from 'Fane' peformed by Freeform and written by Simon Pike. Is Simon Pike a co-writer or not? (Sorry if you already said this in you previous post but I don't understand it) I don't have a copy of Time Flies so I can't comment, but the PRS code for Whatever is 7321182X which credits it as Neil Innes/Noel Gallagher and published by Oasis Music (Noel Gallagher's PRS name), Creation Songs Ltd, EMI Music Publishing (Neil Innes), Sony Music Publishing (UK) Ltd as exampled at Sing Phoenix Karaoke Tracks- WhateverElements are the chords, lyrics and melody that make a song, and if you take those elements from an original song for your own song and are too close to the original this can be construed as plagiarism with the original publishers and writers able to make a claim for co-credits. The example would be with Noel Gallagher taking the structure of 'How Sweet to Be an Idiot' but instead using Neil Innes original recording a new one with a very similar sound was created by Oasis. A sample is where you take a recorded piece of work, such as hip hop pioneers Sugarhill Gang with 'Rapper's Delight' which used the recorded bass line and other parts of 'Good Times' by Chic, with the rappers adding their own parts to the original song. This is different as parts or the whole of the music is taken directly from an already released recording and added to with new lyrics and/or sounds. Sampling evolved in this way because early hip hop/rap MC's would often freestyle over old vinyl records with a groove or beat that flowed, and so when the first hip hop records were made they would often be just that- the original vinyl record minus the lyrics and maybe some other parts with hip hop vocals added over the top. This in the early days was often unauthorised and led to a fair few lawsuits and retrospective co-writing credits before developments led to sampling being allowed for a flat fee instead of royalties at the discretion of the sound recording owner (record company) with the original writers and publishers also getting a credit. I have included the two songs below by way of an example, I hope this explains it better!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 10:58:18 GMT -5
So when an artist use a sample they are not a co-writer? guigsysEstring
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 3, 2016 11:07:21 GMT -5
So when an artist use a sample they are not a co-writer? guigsysEstring When an artist uses a sample they can still get a co-writer credit for the parts they have added to the new song, such as with Sugarhill Gang taking Chic's 'Good Times' but adding their own lyrics, meaning Bernie Edwards & Nile Rogers of Chic are credited for their music (for 'Good Times') but the members of Sugarhill Gang receive a songwriting credit as well for the new lyrics. In the case of plagiarism to use 'Whatever' as the example once more as you can hear from the video there are striking similarities between the song and 'How Sweet to Be an Idiot'. However Noel Gallagher did not use any part of Neil Innes original recording as previously mentioned, but the finished recording of 'Whatever' was too close to Neil Innes song to be called a completely original work, and therefore Innes publishers successfully claimed it plagiarised 'How Sweet to Be an Idiot' which was composed and released first. The same principle applies to 'Step Out' with Stevie Wonder, Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy getting songwriting credits for similarities to Stevie Wonder's 1965 hit single 'Uptight'. Some songs sample more than one other recording, such as Kid Rock's 'All Summer Long' which credits members of Lynryd Skynryd for parts of 'Sweet Home Alabama' and Warren Zevon for 'Werewolves of London', as well as Kid Rock under his real name Robert Ritchie for the original parts such as lyrics to the new song. As an aside it does conjure up a wonderfully chaotic studio image if those men had all genuinely been in a rehearsal room writing that song at the same time! Hopefully this has explained this section a little better this time around
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 11:10:42 GMT -5
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