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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 3, 2015 15:17:38 GMT -5
Not sure if this was directed t me, but that was the first thing I read before I commented. Regardless, that album sounds pretty good. It was directed at you. It was aimed at anyone too lazy to read through Gaz's rambling posts... I'm having trouble understanding your comment then. Not only did I read the posts, which is initially what inspired me to write my comment, but what does your comment have to do with mine? You don't address any of my points. Did you happen to actually read my comment in its entirety or only the first sentence? Suffice to say, what leads you to assume that I didn't read the posts? Because I can't help but scratch my forehead and chuckle over this.
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Post by mossy on Mar 3, 2015 15:33:43 GMT -5
It was directed at you. It was aimed at anyone too lazy to read through Gaz's rambling posts... I'm having trouble understanding your comment then. Not only did I read the posts, which is initially what inspired me to write my comment, but what does your comment have to do with mine? You don't address any of my points. Did you happen to actually read my comment in its entirety or only the first sentence? Suffice to say, what leads you to assume that I didn't read the posts? Because I can't help but scratch my forehead and chuckle over this. Shit that was meant to say *wasn't*. Sorry, it wasn't directed at you! Peace
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2015 16:16:31 GMT -5
If you can't be bothered to read through Gaz's comments h e says most of the songs considered for the AA album had a conventional structure but with more out there production. The SAHITS and WAL free form style was not the norm and WAL wasn't even considered for the album by him. That's an absolute sucker punch if true. A real kick in the balls. I've always called for Noel to sonically expand his well crafted tunes (see my review) and this would have been the perfect balance between those who want experimentation and those who want the conventional standard tune. What pisses me off is that Noel's management are known to be wary of anything that strays away from plodding guitars. They've only got their own marketing interests at hear - sometimes I think the likes of Marcus Russell and co are a detriment to Noel. For fuck sake Noel...
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 3, 2015 17:28:38 GMT -5
He should just release it as, say 3-4 EPs over the next year or two, to keep us ticking over between Chasing Yesterday and NGHFB#3. If they're rubbish, his reputation will very likely stay intact, as they won't have the same impact as dropping a poor LP. Do it Noel!
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 3, 2015 18:03:14 GMT -5
I'm having trouble understanding your comment then. Not only did I read the posts, which is initially what inspired me to write my comment, but what does your comment have to do with mine? You don't address any of my points. Did you happen to actually read my comment in its entirety or only the first sentence? Suffice to say, what leads you to assume that I didn't read the posts? Because I can't help but scratch my forehead and chuckle over this. Shit that was meant to say *wasn't*. Sorry, it wasn't directed at you! Peace No problem, I was wondering what the hell was going on lol.
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2015 3:44:19 GMT -5
If you can't be bothered to read through Gaz's comments h e says most of the songs considered for the AA album had a conventional structure but with more out there production. The SAHITS and WAL free form style was not the norm and WAL wasn't even considered for the album by him. That's an absolute sucker punch if true. A real kick in the balls. I've always called for Noel to sonically expand his well crafted tunes (see my review) and this would have been the perfect balance between those who want experimentation and those who want the conventional standard tune. What pisses me off is that Noel's management are known to be wary of anything that strays away from plodding guitars. They've only got their own marketing interests at hear - sometimes I think the likes of Marcus Russell and co are a detriment to Noel. For fuck sake Noel... I really like all three songs we've heard that were mooted for the album (SAHITS, TRS, The Mexican). Hopefully the rest surface in some form over time.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 4, 2015 8:11:29 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I now want the AA album more than ever. How bad can it be with songs like:
Shoot A Hole Into The Sun The Death of You and Me Freaky Teeth The Mexican Ballad of The Mighty I The Right Stuff
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Post by Ltrain on Mar 4, 2015 12:44:53 GMT -5
Here is a question and answer from an interview with Salon.com
Q: “Chasing Yesterday” rescued a couple of tracks from the album with Amorphous Androgynous you decided not to release. Recently Gaz Cobain from that band said, “I don’t think he wanted to fully interface with the craziness of our music.” Would you agree?
Noel: Well, Gaz has one way of putting it; I have another. If somebody delivers me a record that I paid a fucking 100,000 pounds for, then I would assume that I’d have interfaced with it at some point. The tunes themselves were worth resurrecting, and the recordings that I did with Amorphous Androgynous were not worth pursuing any longer, because I felt that they weren’t very focused – a bit like Gaz.
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2015 17:47:45 GMT -5
I just saw a Heinz soup advert and I swear there was a piano version to an AA song as the soundtrack...!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 18:07:07 GMT -5
I just saw a Heinz soup advert and I swear there was a piano version to an AA song as the soundtrack...! Yeah, they've been playing that Toy Piano version of Divinity from the Otherness for a couple of years now...
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2015 18:10:24 GMT -5
I just saw a Heinz soup advert and I swear there was a piano version to an AA song as the soundtrack...! Yeah, they've been playing that Toy Piano version of Divinity from the Otherness for a couple of years now... Thanks, great to know I've not gone mad!
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 5, 2015 12:13:15 GMT -5
So basically they weren't doing 4 hour versions of his songs but producing his conventional songs in a bit more of a far out way? I'm I getting this right?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2015 12:36:10 GMT -5
So basically they weren't doing 4 hour versions of his songs but producing his conventional songs in a bit more of a far out way? I'm I getting this right? You forgot to mention that Noel is a "p u s s y".
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Mar 5, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
So basically they weren't doing 4 hour versions of his songs but producing his conventional songs in a bit more of a far out way? I'm I getting this right? You forgot to mention that Noel is a "p u s s y". What a fucking joke. This really isn't about quality control is it, its about a loss of nerve.
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Post by jaq515 on Mar 5, 2015 13:43:13 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that Noel is a "p u s s y". What a fucking joke. This really isn't about quality control is it, its about a loss of nerve. Id say yes. Id also say lack of 2/3rds of the money on the co wrote tracks he'd have lost is a factor too. Even taking the money out of it, i think the lack of attention too. Noel loves to be the main man. His solo was to prove what he could do solo, he's the man (which he is) If he released AA and critics praised it (which I'm sure they would even if it was shit and we didnt like it). All of sudden he's not getting the praise of his own back and he'd be sharing it with them like he did with liam in oasis etc
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Post by matt on Mar 5, 2015 18:01:19 GMT -5
Makes it worse that I just listened to AA's The Cartel and was mind blown. Imagine that sonic brilliance with Noel's melody. Would be heavenly - though heaven obviously doesn't exist now.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 5, 2015 18:59:11 GMT -5
You forgot to mention that Noel is a "p u s s y". What a fucking joke. This really isn't about quality control is it, its about a loss of nerve. To be fair, Noel has not been saying the reason he didn't release AA's versions of his songs was because of them being sprawling 12 minute odes to female sex sounds. He has said that he doesn't think the recordings were that good. There's a big difference. Him defining it more by saying that the songs were good, but representation of them was not deepens that sentiment. No one has gone with the simplistic explanation in all of this. That maybe, just maybe, Noel is telling the truth. That they're really not that good. Because as Noel points out, why would he drop over 100k on a record and then lose his nerve? One would think he'd been more frugal about losing his nerve? There's no courage or nerve in releasing something you think is shit. There's just stupidity. Personally, I'd love to hear it, but that's because I'm a fan. Fans don't care. Fans just want music. Fans arent required to think of a large picture and it's very easy for them to call an artist a "pussy" because they won't release a piece of music. But if Noel truly believes it's shit and is willing to eat that much money on it, for something he knows he'd probably make the money back automatically the second he released it anyways, says a lot about the actual state of the recordings. Why eat that much money? I have a hard time believing it's all ego, spotlight, and loss of nerve. For me, that makes little sense. At some point, even for someone as rich as Noel, the money matters. And having to dole out a 100k and producing credits on a solo album and then dealing with the embarrassment of giving up on a project that he had bragged about seems like a large price to pay, even for Noel, for something that's only a "loss" of nerve. It just doesn't add up for me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2015 19:15:36 GMT -5
What a fucking joke. This really isn't about quality control is it, its about a loss of nerve. To be fair, Noel has not been saying the reason he didn't release AA's versions of his songs was because of them being sprawling 12 minute odes to female sex sounds. He has said that he doesn't think the recordings were that good. There's a big difference. Him defining it more by saying that the songs were good, but representation of them was not deepens that sentiment. No one has gone with the simplistic explanation in all of this. That maybe, just maybe, Noel is telling the truth. That they're really not that good. Because as Noel points out, why would he drop over 100k on a record and then lose his nerve? One would think he'd been more frugal about losing his nerve? There's no courage or nerve in releasing something you think is shit. There's just stupidity. Personally, I'd love to hear it, but that's because I'm a fan. Fans don't care. Fans just want music. Fans arent required to think of a large picture and it's very easy for them to call an artist a "pussy" because they won't release a piece of music. But if Noel truly believes it's shit and is willing to eat that much money on it, for something he knows he'd probably make the money back automatically the second he released it anyways, says a lot about the actual state of the recordings. Why eat that much money? I have a hard time believing it's all ego, spotlight, and loss of nerve. For me, that makes little sense. At some point, even for someone as rich as Noel, the money matters. And having to dole out a 100k and producing credits on a solo album and then dealing with the embarrassment of giving up on a project that he had bragged about seems like a large price to pay, even for Noel, for something that's only a "loss" of nerve. It just doesn't add up for me. I rag on Noel so much over the AA project because he talked it up so much between July 2011 and January 2012. He said it was great and excited to released it. Then slowly but surely (once HFB became a big seller) did the narrative of his story change. I have no idea why Noel doesn't want to release. His quotes from then and now are a complete 180. I suspect something else is in play over this fiasco but not sure what it is. Probably a combination of many things. Noel should learn to zip it or hear endless fan speculation.
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Post by matt on Mar 5, 2015 19:40:56 GMT -5
To be fair, Noel has not been saying the reason he didn't release AA's versions of his songs was because of them being sprawling 12 minute odes to female sex sounds. He has said that he doesn't think the recordings were that good. There's a big difference. Him defining it more by saying that the songs were good, but representation of them was not deepens that sentiment. No one has gone with the simplistic explanation in all of this. That maybe, just maybe, Noel is telling the truth. That they're really not that good. Because as Noel points out, why would he drop over 100k on a record and then lose his nerve? One would think he'd been more frugal about losing his nerve? There's no courage or nerve in releasing something you think is shit. There's just stupidity. Personally, I'd love to hear it, but that's because I'm a fan. Fans don't care. Fans just want music. Fans arent required to think of a large picture and it's very easy for them to call an artist a "pussy" because they won't release a piece of music. But if Noel truly believes it's shit and is willing to eat that much money on it, for something he knows he'd probably make the money back automatically the second he released it anyways, says a lot about the actual state of the recordings. Why eat that much money? I have a hard time believing it's all ego, spotlight, and loss of nerve. For me, that makes little sense. At some point, even for someone as rich as Noel, the money matters. And having to dole out a 100k and producing credits on a solo album and then dealing with the embarrassment of giving up on a project that he had bragged about seems like a large price to pay, even for Noel, for something that's only a "loss" of nerve. It just doesn't add up for me. I rag on Noel so much over the AA project because he talked it up so much between July 2011 and January 2012. He said it was great and excited to released it. Then slowly but surely (once HFB became a big seller) did the narrative of his story change. I have no idea why Noel doesn't want to release. His quotes from then and now are a complete 180. I suspect something else is in play over this fiasco but not sure what it is. Probably a combination of many things. Noel should learn to zip it or hear endless fan speculation. Yeah, he really talked it up at that press conference, said it was 'great' and also said he was more excited about the AA collaboration than the High Flying Birds record.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2015 19:42:49 GMT -5
I rag on Noel so much over the AA project because he talked it up so much between July 2011 and January 2012. He said it was great and excited to released it. Then slowly but surely (once HFB became a big seller) did the narrative of his story change. I have no idea why Noel doesn't want to release. His quotes from then and now are a complete 180. I suspect something else is in play over this fiasco but not sure what it is. Probably a combination of many things. Noel should learn to zip it or hear endless fan speculation. Yeah, he really talked it up at that press conference, said it was 'great' and also said he was more excited about the AA collaboration than the High Flying Birds record. His story also went from "yes I was in the studio with these guys" to "I was never in the studio with those guys". Well which is it? Can't be both.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 5, 2015 20:04:13 GMT -5
Yeah, he really talked it up at that press conference, said it was 'great' and also said he was more excited about the AA collaboration than the High Flying Birds record. His story also went from "yes I was in the studio with these guys" to "I was never in the studio with those guys". Well which is it? Can't be both. He said that he wasn't in the studio with them. I though that was Gaz?
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Post by Manualex on Mar 5, 2015 20:05:08 GMT -5
Yeah, he really talked it up at that press conference, said it was 'great' and also said he was more excited about the AA collaboration than the High Flying Birds record. His story also went from "yes I was in the studio with these guys" to "I was never in the studio with those guys". Well which is it? Can't be both. His contributions appeard by osmosis
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 5, 2015 20:11:16 GMT -5
His story also went from "yes I was in the studio with these guys" to "I was never in the studio with those guys". Well which is it? Can't be both. He said that he wasn't in the studio with them. I though that was Gaz? I thought Noel went on to say eventually that he didn't attend that much of the AA recordings. Who knows. This story has changed so much over the last 3.5 years.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 5, 2015 20:38:53 GMT -5
To be fair, Noel has not been saying the reason he didn't release AA's versions of his songs was because of them being sprawling 12 minute odes to female sex sounds. He has said that he doesn't think the recordings were that good. There's a big difference. Him defining it more by saying that the songs were good, but representation of them was not deepens that sentiment. No one has gone with the simplistic explanation in all of this. That maybe, just maybe, Noel is telling the truth. That they're really not that good. Because as Noel points out, why would he drop over 100k on a record and then lose his nerve? One would think he'd been more frugal about losing his nerve? There's no courage or nerve in releasing something you think is shit. There's just stupidity. Personally, I'd love to hear it, but that's because I'm a fan. Fans don't care. Fans just want music. Fans arent required to think of a large picture and it's very easy for them to call an artist a "pussy" because they won't release a piece of music. But if Noel truly believes it's shit and is willing to eat that much money on it, for something he knows he'd probably make the money back automatically the second he released it anyways, says a lot about the actual state of the recordings. Why eat that much money? I have a hard time believing it's all ego, spotlight, and loss of nerve. For me, that makes little sense. At some point, even for someone as rich as Noel, the money matters. And having to dole out a 100k and producing credits on a solo album and then dealing with the embarrassment of giving up on a project that he had bragged about seems like a large price to pay, even for Noel, for something that's only a "loss" of nerve. It just doesn't add up for me. I rag on Noel so much over the AA project because he talked it up so much between July 2011 and January 2012. He said it was great and excited to released it. Then slowly but surely (once HFB became a big seller) did the narrative of his story change. I have no idea why Noel doesn't want to release. His quotes from then and now are a complete 180. I suspect something else is in play over this fiasco but not sure what it is. Probably a combination of many things. Noel should learn to zip it or hear endless fan speculation. I'd agree. However, it's not like he hasn't announced and had an album that he's highly touted prior. The difference this time is that he actually had time to think about the bravado he put out there. People here will always worship stuff that might in the end, only be barely listenable like DIV, which Noel still gets flack for though I don't believe he ever paraded that project as much, and the AA sessions. Personally, I'm all for artists throwing caution to the wind and experimenting, but I'm all for them doing that confidently. As you said, something happened and in my opinion it wasn't just one thing. However, I think it's too simple to just say this is down to a loss of nerve or he's a p u s s y. I think this is far more complex than ego, credit, management, or anything else goes. And I do think that it's probably not that good. Because if it was that good, does anyone really think Noel would sit on an album that could be amazing because of a bruised ego? That he would embarrassingly retreat that hard because management told him? That just doesn't add up to me. The simplest answer is to begin with the thing that no one wants to admit. That noel did what noel always does. He misjudged his own material, got cocky, gained perspective later, and then retreated. Sound familiar? Sound like his strategy with BHN? Another album that has good songs, but the songs aren't represented well. The only difference is that he released BHN. The simplest route is that Noel truly believes it's shit. Anything else just becomes a conspiracy theory.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 5, 2015 20:44:30 GMT -5
He said that he wasn't in the studio with them. I though that was Gaz? I thought Noel went on to say eventually that he didn't attend that much of the AA recordings. Who knows. This story has changed so much over the last 3.5 years. Noel said it was a lot of of him doing a million takes over and over again. I think the contention isn't Noel saying that he had nothing to do with them in the studio. I think the contention is that Noel wasn't there for the mixing and mastering and had little hand in producing. Essentially, he was a glorified session player. I think that's what Noel means by he worked with them, but didn't. It's a very fine line. But I don't think him saying he didn't have much to do with it is a complete walk back from his previous comments. It's not like he ever said that it was him and AA having a partnership in the studio. From the very beginning he contended it was a lot of him being ordered around. So, I can see where Noel would have contradictory feelings as to whether he was really in the studio with them. Whether he was really producing his own album. Nothing in his interviews prior say anything different.
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