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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 18, 2014 12:48:38 GMT -5
Point 1: There is a difference from not drinking a day or two before work and quitting drinking period. One is a professional courtesy to fans who are paying to see you on top form. Even without stardom, it's professionalism in the workplace. Most jobs would fire your ass if you come to work with even a hangover. Point 2: It's probably not a bad idea to quit drinking regularly or even completely anyway. You should never do it just because others want you to stop. If you decide to stop, it should be because you personally recognize its negative effects and want a change. Is it possible? Absolutely. People repair or improve their vocals all the time through training. People stop drinking to excess all the time too. Point 1: Do you know Liam's drinking habits? Do you know that is voice is shot because he is always drinking before gigs? How do you know he's isn't giving his best and that it is simply a case of being on tour and repeated performances that the quality of his voice fluctuates? A great many people have gone into work hungover and do so more than once. Most people don't get fired unless you have to drive for work or have a position of social responsibility. Point 2: That's an opinion. I personally could do with drinking less but would never want to give it up completely as I enjoy it so much. Many feel the same. Drinking is not necessarily negative. How do you know he is consistently drinking to excess? I'm sure people can improve. I don't know how easy it is to wind the clock back 14 years. I doubt that's possible. "Do you know Liam's drinking habits?" I can take an educated guess based on the many tabloids, live performances and interviews about his daily life over the years. He drinks a lot. Maybe not to the level of an alcoholic, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. "Do you know that is voice is shot because he is always drinking before gigs?" I know people that can sing pretty well, but when drunk, suffer a huge drop in quality. And of course, if you're hungover, you equally won't perform your best, because you feel like shit. I think his voice is shot from cigarretes, and generally not taking care of his voice. It was his stance that stressed it the most. "How do you know he's isn't giving his best and that it is simply a case of being on tour and repeated performances that the quality of his voice fluctuates?" If he's hungover or intoxicated during a performance, he isn't doing his best. He might be doing the best he can considering, but it's not the best he's actually able to do compared to if he were sober or feeling good. I think it's insulting to fans to show up drunk or hungover. The quality of his voice fluctates for a reason. It doesn't have a mind of its own. It's all based on his lifestyle. " A great many people have gone into work hungover and do so more than once. Most people don't get fired unless you have to drive for work or have a position of social responsibility." And a great many people get fired for showing up in this manner. Probably not the first or second time, but if it's a repeated offense, you can bet to get the sack. It's irresponsible. The reason why it's a problem? People don't work as well when they feel ill. "That's an opinion. I personally could do with drinking less but would never want to give it up completely as I enjoy it so much. Many feel the same. Drinking is not necessarily negative." For some people, it causes too many problems. In moderate doses, it affects performance and our ability to make rational decisions. When drinking to excess, it causes physical problems. I like drinking too, but it's not my go-to for a good time anymore, because I recognize that despite popular consensus and apologetics, it's really not a positive substance. I think it's important to remove personal bias from this topic, because we are capable of enjoying many things, that doesn't mean we should. I think there are more important things to consider than temporary personal enjoyment. But to each his own, some people go to alcohol for escape, others go to other drugs, I go to Television/movies, which comes with its own list of negatives. "How do you know he is consistently drinking to excess?" Honestly, it doesn't matter if he is or isn't. If he shows up to a gig drunk or hungover, it's unprofessional. He could've went almost the whole week without a sip. "I'm sure people can improve. I don't know how easy it is to wind the clock back 14 years. I doubt that's possible." Surely it's worth a try though.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 18, 2014 12:51:15 GMT -5
I miss Liam's 1997 voice.
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Post by Sternumman on Oct 18, 2014 18:26:29 GMT -5
I know we all have different opinions on Liam/Noel, but personally I never thought Liam brought much to Oasis since Be Here Now. His voice turned to shi* and his songs stink. Beady Eye will most likely fade away and Noel has no incentive to reform Oasis. Now what does Liam do? I bet you anything he does something in the vein of "Oasis featuring Liam Gallagher" and plays the hits to small crowds of 1500 or so. Liam seems like the kind of guy who will do anything to grasp onto any kind of fame. What do you guys think? Such ignorance... You know, it's because of people like you that folk have such differing and extreme opinions on Liam and Noel nowadays How is he influencing other peoples opinions on Liam and Noel?
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Post by cigsandalc on Oct 19, 2014 2:36:00 GMT -5
It´s always funny to see people talking/writing about stars how they should live their lives although it´s none of their business...
If Liam wants to drink, it´s his choice. If he wants to cheat on his girlfriend/wife, it´s his choice. If you like it ir not, i´m sure liam couldn´t care less.
As for his music, he should go on and do whatever he wants to do. He has the money, he still has a great voice (at least on record). Although some people think different, he still means a lot to other people and influences them. Liam said it itself a thousand times, if you don´t like it, don´t buy it. If he likes it, he will release it (and i´m going to buy it because i prefer listening to his voice than to noels although some of liams/beady eyes lyrics aren´t that great).
So, go on and keep making music liam!
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 19, 2014 5:08:58 GMT -5
I hope Liam will be happy as a person because how can you make your loved ones and the people who's been supporign you happy when you're not happy with yourself?
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Post by LlAM on Oct 19, 2014 5:13:21 GMT -5
I hope Liam will be happy as a person because how can you make your loved ones and the people who's been supporign you happy when you're not happy with yourself? What a load of nonsense. Some of the best songs ever were written by people who weren't happy.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 19, 2014 5:21:05 GMT -5
I hope Liam will be happy as a person because how can you make your loved ones and the people who's been supporign you happy when you're not happy with yourself? What a load of nonsense. Some of the best songs ever were written by people who weren't happy. Thank you.
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Post by Rolo on Oct 19, 2014 7:26:07 GMT -5
I predict Liam will become addicted to heroin after Noel's 2nd album becomes a huge success. He will probably kill himself What a knobhead.
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Post by mrmoonbeam on Oct 19, 2014 7:45:17 GMT -5
BE was a quality album. If that's some other band that isn't Liam-involved then critics are lauding it. His biggest problem will always be past quality, obviously. DGSS wasn't even that bad, The Roller is up there with my favourite Liam songs tbh. The 3rd album should be even better as they seem to have a better grasp of what people want to hear, and they have a big fan base now.
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 19, 2014 8:05:37 GMT -5
Liam will be absolutely nowhere musically. If he couldn't succeed riding the wave of Oasis split, he's not gonna succeed with 5 more years of fading into oblivion. He should concentrate on Pretty Green to be honest.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 19, 2014 8:07:27 GMT -5
It´s always funny to see people talking/writing about stars how they should live their lives although it´s none of their business... If Liam wants to drink, it´s his choice. If he wants to cheat on his girlfriend/wife, it´s his choice. If you like it ir not, i´m sure liam couldn´t care less. As for his music, he should go on and do whatever he wants to do. He has the money, he still has a great voice (at least on record). Although some people think different, he still means a lot to other people and influences them. Liam said it itself a thousand times, if you don´t like it, don´t buy it. If he likes it, he will release it (and i´m going to buy it because i prefer listening to his voice than to noels although some of liams/beady eyes lyrics aren´t that great). So, go on and keep making music liam! I respect Liam immensely for what he did while in Oasis musically and now with Beady Eye. I don't really admire him as much away from the mic anymore. Maybe I did back in 1997 when I was 16 years old but not now. He's done a lot of suspect things but hey, that's his business.
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Post by squire on Oct 19, 2014 8:23:32 GMT -5
I suspect he will be doing pretty much the same things he's doing now: making records, selling clothes, and watching football. 5 years really isn't that long and people don't really change
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Post by leak4ever on Oct 19, 2014 8:27:58 GMT -5
I wonder if he'll still be with the same woman?
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Post by LlAM on Oct 19, 2014 8:38:46 GMT -5
I wonder if he'll still be with the same woman? Or even a woman...
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 19, 2014 14:12:56 GMT -5
this is the best thread to point out people who are just there to annoy Gallagher fans, yes I mean Gallagher, not just liam, because Liam fans in the most case love noel too.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 19, 2014 14:14:19 GMT -5
Such ignorance... You know, it's because of people like you that folk have such differing and extreme opinions on Liam and Noel nowadays How is he influencing other peoples opinions on Liam and Noel? I knew someone would being me up on this... Fair dos, the way I worded it makes no sense at all. What I meant was that where folk might have once have had a "favourite Gallagher" in Oasis, whether Noel or Liam, there was generally respect for both. Since the split however, some people have formed some sort of bizarre rivalry with fans of the "opposing" brother, inducing comments such as: "HFB is the best Gallagher-related product since ...Morning Glory..." (which is fine of course if thats what you believe, but then using that to lead into...) "light years ahead of anything Beady Eye have put out...Liam can't sing...Kermit the frog...Andy's boring..." et cetera, et cetera. This then of course, leads to those who feel more loyalty to Gallagher L typing out their retorts... and so we get OasisBlues... Dunno if you're any the wiser now, but it makes sense in my head anyway, I wasn't saying HE was influencing peoples opinions, just that that kind of post causes people to start to take sides and form extreme opinions on the Gallagher's that brings about this whole Team Noel/Team Liam shit that we see nowadays
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 19, 2014 14:37:05 GMT -5
because Liam fans in the most case love noel too.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 19, 2014 17:50:09 GMT -5
Who gives a shit whether Andy Bell is boring or not? Isn't it about the music? Unless you're a weird disrespectful racist pedophile vagina I don't care
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Post by Sternumman on Oct 19, 2014 20:19:19 GMT -5
How is he influencing other peoples opinions on Liam and Noel? I knew someone would being me up on this... Fair dos, the way I worded it makes no sense at all. What I meant was that where folk might have once have had a "favourite Gallagher" in Oasis, whether Noel or Liam, there was generally respect for both. Since the split however, some people have formed some sort of bizarre rivalry with fans of the "opposing" brother, inducing comments such as: "HFB is the best Gallagher-related product since ...Morning Glory..." (which is fine of course if thats what you believe, but then using that to lead into...) "light years ahead of anything Beady Eye have put out...Liam can't sing...Kermit the frog...Andy's boring..." et cetera, et cetera. This then of course, leads to those who feel more loyalty to Gallagher L typing out their retorts... and so we get OasisBlues... Dunno if you're any the wiser now, but it makes sense in my head anyway, I wasn't saying HE was influencing peoples opinions, just that that kind of post causes people to start to take sides and form extreme opinions on the Gallagher's that brings about this whole Team Noel/Team Liam shit that we see nowadays Gotcha. I prefer the Noel stuff by a wide margin but i dont see the point in bashing liam and the boys. I have no problem with people being critical of either brother but some people do take it to the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:32:13 GMT -5
Liam needs psychiatric help. He needs to deal with his anger issues.
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Post by shinealight on Oct 20, 2014 3:01:18 GMT -5
so many moralists (judging his private life) and ppl living in the past ( I miss 97 voice)....it is unbelievable...
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 20, 2014 3:22:30 GMT -5
wtf?! people here judging on liam, because they read stuff in the fucking sun? It's just horrible sometimes to read through the posts here. Is it weird, when I feel uncomfortable as a Liam Gallagher fan on an Oasis forum? psychiatric help, drugs, suicide really? what the fuck is wrong with you people, who think about stuff like this?
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Post by cigsandalc on Oct 20, 2014 4:01:48 GMT -5
Liam needs psychiatric help. He needs to deal with his anger issues. When you know him that good anyway to write something like that, you should propably tell him in person
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 20, 2014 4:50:29 GMT -5
It´s always funny to see people talking/writing about stars how they should live their lives although it´s none of their business... If Liam wants to drink, it´s his choice. If he wants to cheat on his girlfriend/wife, it´s his choice. If you like it ir not, i´m sure liam couldn´t care less. As for his music, he should go on and do whatever he wants to do. He has the money, he still has a great voice (at least on record). Although some people think different, he still means a lot to other people and influences them. Liam said it itself a thousand times, if you don´t like it, don´t buy it. If he likes it, he will release it (and i´m going to buy it because i prefer listening to his voice than to noels although some of liams/beady eyes lyrics aren´t that great). So, go on and keep making music liam! Well you know, it's kind of the point of the thread. Imagining where you'd like to see Liam in 5 years. Obviously his life is his choice, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Humans judge. It's what we do. We see the flaws in others and we discuss them. We see what might benefit individuals and what might harm them. Generally we wish people to overcome their flaws, if we care at all for the person living with them for their sake and the people the flaws effect. Having the choice over a matter says absolutely nothing about whether it's a moral idea. Suicide is a choice, but is it something we should accept and tolerate among our populations? I think most would say no. We live in a society and our actions have an effect on others, we can't be so selfish to ignore this under the presumption that we are entitled to do whatever we want just because we can.
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Post by cigsandalc on Oct 20, 2014 6:11:33 GMT -5
It´s always funny to see people talking/writing about stars how they should live their lives although it´s none of their business... If Liam wants to drink, it´s his choice. If he wants to cheat on his girlfriend/wife, it´s his choice. If you like it ir not, i´m sure liam couldn´t care less. As for his music, he should go on and do whatever he wants to do. He has the money, he still has a great voice (at least on record). Although some people think different, he still means a lot to other people and influences them. Liam said it itself a thousand times, if you don´t like it, don´t buy it. If he likes it, he will release it (and i´m going to buy it because i prefer listening to his voice than to noels although some of liams/beady eyes lyrics aren´t that great). So, go on and keep making music liam! Well you know, it's kind of the point of the thread. Imagining where you'd like to see Liam in 5 years. Obviously his life is his choice, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Humans judge. It's what we do. We see the flaws in others and we discuss them. We see what might benefit individuals and what might harm them. Generally we wish people to overcome their flaws, if we care at all for the person living with them for their sake and the people the flaws effect. Having the choice over a matter says absolutely nothing about whether it's a moral idea. Suicide is a choice, but is it something we should accept and tolerate among our populations? I think most would say no. We live in a society and our actions have an effect on others, we can't be so selfish to ignore this under the presumption that we are entitled to do whatever we want just because we can. Actually i thought this thread is about where everyone would like to see Liam in 5 years musically... And i would like him to make music - do some collaborations - make a solo album or another BE album - tour - etc. Cause that´s the only effect on me and has nothing to do with his personal issues or whatever the sun is writing every now and again. For the rest. Yeah humans judge. Humans judge pretty fast. And judging about a person no one (i guess) here really knows is pretty lame imo. But if that´s what everyone wants to do, go on.
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