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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 23:05:37 GMT -5
I think Zidane is the greatest central midfielder of all time.
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 19, 2015 1:44:43 GMT -5
Can't believe no-one's mentioned Roy Keane.
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Post by sgtpeppr on May 19, 2015 1:46:55 GMT -5
I think Zidane is the greatest central midfielder of all time. hes in the discussion...he did play pretty much the same spot as maradona, who's tough to ignore. defintely the best of his and this generation tho.
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Post by jakob61907 on May 19, 2015 2:45:33 GMT -5
wasnt big game when he turned up for england tho. that was scholes' biggest problem aswell. scholes was a better player tho in my opinion. and giggs was better than both. but neither of them were on zizou's level. or ronaldos (the real one). or kaka. or ronaldinho. and thats just brazil. there were so many far superior mids playing outside of the epl... and like most englishmen, they never proved themselves anywhere but in england. theres also arguements to be made about only ever playing at massive clubs. having the back-up from multiple world class players... Has kaka, ronaldo(real one), ronaldinho, messi, zidane ever proved them selves outside their respective leagues? What I mean is in England?? that having the back up argument is true with every great player. Ronaldo was the best at madrid, so was Zidane, Messi at Barca. Kaka at Madrid. They all played in great teams with good players around them. If anything Gerrard had a worse team than any of the other players mentioned. Especially Scholes, Keane and Giggs. Which makes them winning the champions league with a bang average team such a good achievement.
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Post by sgtpeppr on May 19, 2015 5:51:05 GMT -5
those players have all proven themselves in multiple leagues, yes. the point being, that these english players havent. since when did england become the pinnacle of proving yourself?! england is quite an easy league for foreigners to get used to anyway (proven by the amount of them). their fundamental skills are far superior to the english so all they have to do is work on their fitness and some strength training and they start to shine. cant name many english players that leave the UK (even to sub-standard leagues) and impress. its a grass roots thing. and yes its true that all the players mentioned have back-up...now. what i meant was, gerrard, scholes, giggs played their debut 1st team matches at major clubs. zidane (just for example) started @ cannes. then bordeaux. he made it to the big clubs without the support of world class talent.
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Post by MG on May 19, 2015 10:03:20 GMT -5
Can't believe no-one's mentioned Roy Keane. Super, not just in the "big game player" role but week in, week out he was immense. If Gerrard was as good as Keano, Liverpool would have at the very least have one Premier League trophy to their name
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:04:59 GMT -5
I'm sick of all this arrogance surrounding the Premier League.
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Post by matt on May 19, 2015 11:32:24 GMT -5
I think Giggs has to be the most overrated player in the Premier League - Scholes was always much better, so too was Gerrard.
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Post by matt on May 19, 2015 11:33:29 GMT -5
Can't believe no-one's mentioned Roy Keane. Greatest club captain of all time? A true maverick, love the guy.
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Post by matt on May 19, 2015 11:38:18 GMT -5
I'm sick of all this arrogance surrounding the Premier League. As I get older, the allure of it fades away fast, and I start seeing it for what it really is - a corporate, soulless business that masquerades itself as a 'game for the people'. Maybe it is nostalgia talking, but it was never as crude or commercial like it is today. The lack of any decent homegrown talent, the collective media wank fest in England proclaiming it as the 'greatest spectacle on earth', fair weather fans who jump on any passing bandwagon, the influx of sickeningly high priced foreigners that helps drive up sickeningly high priced tickets, the richest chairman being the most important figure in the league, the tearing up of clubs connection to the communities in which were originally purposed to serve back in the old days and the entire concept of English football being controlled, denigrated and degraded by the most destructive force in British culture ever in Rupert Murdoch shows what a downright classless, shoddy sport it has become.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 19, 2015 11:57:51 GMT -5
Kaka is not in the same league as the other mentioned,not even close He was amazing when at his peak,but how long did he last? three,four years? Plus he failed badly when he went to Real Madrid
And I agree with Matt saying Scholes and Gerrard are better than Giggs,I'd probably take Lampard over Giggs too
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Post by matt on May 19, 2015 12:10:14 GMT -5
I'm sick of all this arrogance surrounding the Premier League. And that is why by watching the Scottish Premiership, it is easy to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong in football. Perfect example of this is Hamilton Academical. I'm not even a supporter, (ICT for me!) but I admire them greatly for being a tiny club in a small town outside Glasgow who have benefited the community by coaching local lads with the right progressive methods and who have put a lot of money back into Hamilton in addition to comparatively low ticket prices, what with the successful coaching and conveyor belt of talent meaning many of their young talent have progressed to, yes, the English Premier League. What's more, with an ex-player and ex-manager Alex Neill looking like taking Norwich into the English Premier League, there is yet plenty more evidence that, with an insular appraoch which is innovative and forward thinking in creating the likes of Neill, bringing in much revenue with success and selling talent at a massive profit, clubs can make leaps and bounds beyond their expectations and at the same time can greatly benefit the local community that surrounds them. Football should never ever have to be taken away from its roots, so, with this optimistic assessment, I think the success of Hamilton Academical offers a flicker of light that football clubs duty to serve their community will never die. In an age where globalisation and rampant neo-liberal economics has forced upon us the individualisation of society and the destruction of community and ultimately decline of social capital, I don't think it has ever been more important for football clubs to stand up and serve their immediate surroundings. And for these reasons alone, I genuinely believe Hamilton are a greater club than any modern day English Premier League 'franchise'.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 12:17:39 GMT -5
I'm sick of all this arrogance surrounding the Premier League. And that is why by watching the Scottish Premiership, it is easy to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong in football. Perfect example of this is Hamilton Academical. I'm not even a supporter, (ICT for me!) but I admire them greatly for being a tiny club in a small town outside Glasgow who have benefited the community by coaching local lads with the right progressive methods and who have put a lot of money back into Hamilton in addition to comparatively low ticket prices, what with the successful coaching meaning many of their young talent have progressed to, yes, the English Premier League. What's more, with an ex-player and ex-manager Alex Neill looking like taking Norwich into the English Premier League, there is yet plenty more evidence that, with an insular appraoch which is innovative and forward thinking in creating the likes of Neill, clubs can make leaps and bounds beyond their expectations and at the same time can greatly benefit the local community that surrounds them. Football should never ever have to be taken away from its roots, so, with this optimistic assessment, I think the success of Hamilton Academical offers a flicker of light that football clubs duty to serve their community will never die. In an age where globalisation and rampant neo-liberal economics has forced upon us the individualisation of society and the destruction of community and ultimately decline of social capital, I don't think it has ever been more important for football clubs to stand up and serve their immediate surroundings. And for these reasons alone, I genuinely believe Hamilton are a greater club than any modern day English Premier League 'franchise'. There's not really much else to add to that. I have huge respect for Hamilton for all the reasons you mentioned. Because of the lack of TV and sponsor revenue in Scotland since Setanta went under, many of the clubs have been forced to strengthen their community and youth setups. Now the benefits are starting to become clear, with a lot of decent homegrown talent emerging and clubs operating with steady profits.
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Post by matt on May 19, 2015 12:25:06 GMT -5
And that is why by watching the Scottish Premiership, it is easy to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong in football. Perfect example of this is Hamilton Academical. I'm not even a supporter, (ICT for me!) but I admire them greatly for being a tiny club in a small town outside Glasgow who have benefited the community by coaching local lads with the right progressive methods and who have put a lot of money back into Hamilton in addition to comparatively low ticket prices, what with the successful coaching meaning many of their young talent have progressed to, yes, the English Premier League. What's more, with an ex-player and ex-manager Alex Neill looking like taking Norwich into the English Premier League, there is yet plenty more evidence that, with an insular appraoch which is innovative and forward thinking in creating the likes of Neill, clubs can make leaps and bounds beyond their expectations and at the same time can greatly benefit the local community that surrounds them. Football should never ever have to be taken away from its roots, so, with this optimistic assessment, I think the success of Hamilton Academical offers a flicker of light that football clubs duty to serve their community will never die. In an age where globalisation and rampant neo-liberal economics has forced upon us the individualisation of society and the destruction of community and ultimately decline of social capital, I don't think it has ever been more important for football clubs to stand up and serve their immediate surroundings. And for these reasons alone, I genuinely believe Hamilton are a greater club than any modern day English Premier League 'franchise'. There's not really much else to add to that. I have huge respect for Hamilton for all the reasons you mentioned. Because of the lack of TV and sponsor revenue in Scotland since Setanta went under, many of the clubs have been forced to strengthen their community and youth setups. Now the benefits are starting to become clear, with a lot of decent homegrown talent emerging and clubs operating with steady profits. You're right, I never believe money is the answer. Look at the English FA - richest association in the world, yet the England team are still a pile of cack. Ideas and innovation are key, and this is where the likes of our youth coaches become very important.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 15:50:45 GMT -5
great job by the black cats dickki a seemed real emotional hope he stays a full year to sort them out .. would love to see castle relegated
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 15:52:18 GMT -5
Good to see Sunderland safe for another season at least.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 15:58:20 GMT -5
Good to see Sunderland safe for another season at least. think advocaat will stay ? they say his wife wants him retired , i think they need a vet like him to right the ship for a full season then get a younger mamager to recruit and build , they cant keep escaping year after year .....
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:02:55 GMT -5
Good to see Sunderland safe for another season at least. think advocaat will stay ? they say his wife wants him retired , i think they need a vet like him to right the ship for a full season then get a younger mamager to recruit and build , they cant keep escaping year after year ..... I don't think he will. That's based on nothing at all other than 'I have a feeling'. If his wife wants him to retire then that's his career as good as finished.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:12:22 GMT -5
think advocaat will stay ? they say his wife wants him retired , i think they need a vet like him to right the ship for a full season then get a younger mamager to recruit and build , they cant keep escaping year after year ..... I don't think he will. That's based on nothing at all other than 'I have a feeling'. If his wife wants him to retire then that's his career as good as finished. he just said he will announce EARLY NEXT WK my bet is he gets control of organizational decisions and names his own protege to take over he said he reall;y loves the club and there facillities are too good to be battling relegation ....think he will play big role sortas like fergie , but not on touchline to make wife happy
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Post by Manualex on May 20, 2015 16:13:25 GMT -5
I see that Sunderland is safe, but is the 4th place safe from Arsenal? Just food for thoughts. Merci.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:14:15 GMT -5
I see that Sunderland is safe, but is the 4th place safe from Arsenal? Just food for thoughts. Merci. Perhaps we should ask our resident Arsenal fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:14:18 GMT -5
hope BORO ARE BACK IN PREWMIERE LEAUGE NEXT YEAR feels right with boro up to me
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:16:25 GMT -5
I see that Sunderland is safe, but is the 4th place safe from Arsenal? Just food for thoughts. Merci. there safe . plus 7 goal difference Beady’s Here Now can breathe easy
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Post by Manualex on May 20, 2015 16:24:10 GMT -5
I see that Sunderland is safe, but is the 4th place safe from Arsenal? Just food for thoughts. Merci. there safe . plus 7 goal difference Beady’s Here Now can breathe easy But Man U playes with Newcastle. And Newcastle seem doomed for relegation
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:35:02 GMT -5
nahh ...hull are fighting for there lives goal difference wayyyyy to high , now i can see hull winning and west ham and big sam beating newcastle to relegate them ....but arsenal moving down ?? no way united play hull newcastle plays west ham arsenal can breathe easy
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