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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:27:00 GMT -5
I must say, I only chose one of each artist but if I was free to choose anything, it would be chock a block full of Johnny Marr. Greatest guitar player ever. Yea ....ummm No All due respect , page , Hendrix , beck. , He's good ...smiths are great ... Marr is not even close riff wise , solo wise , sped wise , technical wise . He's great ...nowhere near best ..Hendrix would piss on him , page pisses on him .. The smiths are awesome , but marr is not the best guitarist ever .....not by a longshot
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:33:40 GMT -5
The smiths will always be about morrissey Like it or not ...voice of a generation ,, marr was along for ride , he made some good riffs , but at the end of the day ....it's all about morrissey when u talk smiths
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 26, 2014 12:24:06 GMT -5
The smiths will always be about morrissey Like it or not ...voice of a generation ,, marr was along for ride , he made some good riffs , but at the end of the day ....it's all about morrissey when u talk smiths If there would have been no Moz, there would have been no The Smiths and if there would have been no Johnny, there would have been no The Smiths. and Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce had to be there to be The Smiths too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 12:53:47 GMT -5
The smiths will always be about morrissey Like it or not ...voice of a generation ,, marr was along for ride , he made some good riffs , but at the end of the day ....it's all about morrissey when u talk smiths If there would have been no Moz, there would have been no The Smiths and if there would have been no Johnny, there would have been no The Smiths. and Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce had to be there to be The Smiths too. No ...... The smiths come down to one thing .....morrrissey ........ He is all that MOST know , or care to know , Why he Is a ICON. and marr a player ...don't get me wrong I like Johnny ...but THE SMITHS. will always be about morrissey like it or not ........fact
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 26, 2014 12:58:22 GMT -5
For me, it's always been more about Marr than Morrissey, I mean, Moz is probably one of the most iconic singers of all time, and when it comes to lyrics not a lot of people can claim to be better than him, but Marr's riffs are something else, the guy's just from another planet, his style is so unique, nobody has ever played like that, and nobody will, he's a guitar genius
Obviously, as mimmi said, there would have been no Smiths without Johnny, Moz, Andy or Mike
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 26, 2014 13:04:07 GMT -5
kalas, I respect your opinion, but unfortunatelly my opinion isn't same as yours. We both love The Smiths and we both have different opinions. Nothing wrong with it. I love The Smiths more than I can tell and Johnny Marr is my forever guitar hero. Both Moz and Johnny are "one" to me. I can't judge one is better than other or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:08:06 GMT -5
Agreed
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 26, 2014 13:09:44 GMT -5
Topic is about greatest riff ever, not about Smiths. I will ban everyone who mention Smiths here. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:10:28 GMT -5
For me, it's always been more about Marr than Morrissey, I mean, Moz is probably one of the most iconic singers of all time, and when it comes to lyrics not a lot of people can claim to be better than him, but Marr's riffs are something else, the guy's just from another planet, his style is so unique, nobody has ever played like that, and nobody will, he's a guitar genius Obviously, as mimmi said, there would have been no Smiths without Johnny, Moz, Andy or Mike You are too young to weigh in pm this ....I saw them live ......not many here have
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:11:14 GMT -5
Topic is about greatest riff ever, not about Smiths. I will ban everyone who mention Smiths here. Thanks. Ban me ? Go for it .....you'll lose
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:12:12 GMT -5
@mimimihops You know I love you Just in a funky mood
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Post by derektrotter on Jul 26, 2014 14:20:35 GMT -5
All Queen discography, Brian May is the king!
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Post by eva on Jul 26, 2014 14:36:46 GMT -5
For me, it's always been more about Marr than Morrissey, I mean, Moz is probably one of the most iconic singers of all time, and when it comes to lyrics not a lot of people can claim to be better than him, but Marr's riffs are something else, the guy's just from another planet, his style is so unique, nobody has ever played like that, and nobody will, he's a guitar genius Obviously, as mimmi said, there would have been no Smiths without Johnny, Moz, Andy or Mike You are too young to weigh in pm this ....I saw them live ......not many here have I'm sorry, but that is fucking ridiculous. If "seeing a band live" is the only reason one should have an opinion about a band, then none of us here should be arguing about The Beatles, or Jimi Hendrix or many, many others. Hell, I better even change my avatar, what the fuck do I know about Janis Joplin?
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2014 15:02:47 GMT -5
I must say, I only chose one of each artist but if I was free to choose anything, it would be chock a block full of Johnny Marr. Greatest guitar player ever. Yea ....ummm No All due respect , page , Hendrix , beck. , He's good ...smiths are great ... Marr is not even close riff wise , solo wise , sped wise , technical wise . He's great ...nowhere near best ..Hendrix would piss on him , page pisses on him .. The smiths are awesome , but marr is not the best guitarist ever .....not by a longshot I will respectfully disagree kalas. But here's my two cents on why I think in such a way. I've listened to them all, and they are all ultra-impressive. But to my ears, Marr is far superior. He's not one for standing in the middle of the stage and blasting out a solo - he could do that no problem, but rather, his compositions fit seamlessly into the flow of the whole band. Proof of the matter that when Morrissey sings, there are some amazing riffs going on behind his vocals, and yet, the pair of them don't clash, and in addition to an incredibly tight rhythym section in Rourke and Joyce, they all complement each other so well. As great as Led Zep and many many other bands are, I don't think there has ever been a more cohesive and tight unit like The Smiths. I love his playing because it's so subtle yet so effective. There is no pretension and no bombast to his playing style, but a driving flow with an incredible attention to detail whatever the song. Little melodies here and there blossom the songs rather than dominate them. It's not just on a technical level I'm impressed by him but on a psychological level. I don't think any other guitarist in the world has ever come close to their bond with the lead singer like The Smiths. And to succeed so greatly with such a great, complex and enigmatic frontman like Morrissey is high praise indeed, because when Morrissey provided lyrics to Marr, Marr knew instinctively what kind of composition to write. I hear songs from many bands and I've thought on many occasions that the tune does not fit with the lyrics. But this was never the case with The Smiths. Best example I can give is probably Suffer Little Children - Marr read the lyrics and set a tune to it. Now I don't think any other guitarist in the world would have composed such a delicate and sensitive composition for such a tragic tale like the Moors Murders. Heck, to compose it any other way might even seem disrespectful but Marr, along with Morrissey's lyrics, captured the despair, horror and sadness of such a tragedy like no other artist has. Their mentality was synchronised to a level like no other duo. Often it was vice-versa, Marr would have a ready made composition and Morrissey would add lyrics on the top of it. mimmihopps mentioned Back to the Old House as one of the best riffs (Peel sessions version of course), and that was one case in which Morrissey added his lyrics to it. The point is that Marr's beautiful composition for that tune inspired Morrissey to write such heartfelt lyrics. I think the very fact that his music inspired Morrissey (arguably the greatest frontman of all time) to write some of the greatest lyrics ever heard is nothing short of genius in itself. In addition to being so deftly played, such all round capabilities from Marr makes him far and away - for me anyway - the greatest guitar player to have ever lived.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 26, 2014 15:04:34 GMT -5
Not to derail the thread, but these are a great listen if you're a fan of Johnny Marr.
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Post by asimarx on Jul 26, 2014 16:19:47 GMT -5
He's not one for standing in the middle of the stage and blasting out a solo - he could do that no problem, but rather, his compositions fit seamlessly into the flow of the whole band. Proof of the matter that when Morrissey sings, there are some amazing riffs going on behind his vocals, and yet, the pair of them don't clash, and in addition to an incredibly tight rhythym section in Rourke and Joyce, they all complement each other so well. As great as Led Zep and many many other bands are, I don't think there has ever been a more cohesive and tight unit like The Smiths. I love his playing because it's so subtle yet so effective. There is no pretension and no bombast to his playing style, but a driving flow with an incredible attention to detail whatever the song. Little melodies here and there blossom the songs rather than dominate them. It's not just on a technical level I'm impressed by him but on a psychological level. I don't think any other guitarist in the world has ever come close to their bond with the lead singer like The Smiths. And to succeed so greatly with such a great, complex and enigmatic frontman like Morrissey is high praise indeed, because when Morrissey provided lyrics to Marr, Marr knew instinctively what kind of composition to write. I hear songs from many bands and I've thought on many occasions that the tune does not fit with the lyrics. But this was never the case with The Smiths. Fantastic post (sorry for the edit, didn't want to bomb the thread). I wholeheartedly agree. Most the things you mentioned can also be applied to R.E.M.'s Peter Buck. I always see them as kind of british and american counterparts. I admire the way they play absolutely understated, while still being incredibly melodic and innovative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 16:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jul 26, 2014 17:20:08 GMT -5
Johnny Marr, greatest guitar player EVER. Listen to that Rickenbacker. The most beautiful sound I've ever heard.
Plus, he is cool as fuck.
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Post by globe on Jul 26, 2014 17:31:40 GMT -5
Sir Noel Gallagher - "the mans a fucking wizard".
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jul 26, 2014 19:14:20 GMT -5
Love Spreads - The Stone Roses. How Soon Is Now? - The Smiths. All Day And All Of The Night - The Kinks
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 26, 2014 19:23:46 GMT -5
Just listening to 'Golden Years' by David Bowie and sure, it's nowhere near the greatest riff ever, but a hell of a groovy bit of guitar imo
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Post by kingcrawler on Jul 26, 2014 21:33:37 GMT -5
Why among all this Smiths chat has no one mentioned What Difference Does It Make? Easily one of my favourite riffs.
Apart from that and some of the others already mentioned, I love the riffs in
QOTSA - Millionaire Radiohead - Bodysnatchers White Stripes - Icky Thump
None are particularly groundbreaking and I wouldn't ever claim them to be the best riffs, but they just sound brilliant.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 27, 2014 4:08:44 GMT -5
@mattdd, an another great post of yours. I'm not saying this just because we both love The Smiths and not just because we have similar tastes of music. Just like your post in an another thread somewhere on this forum, I love to talk about and discover new music/bands with fellow members who have a great tastes of music like you, Cast, Lennon2217 and all the others.
This is also one of my favourites:
Feelin - The La's
and even if it's only for the intro, still great:
Pretty Vacant - Sex Pistols
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Post by matt on Jul 27, 2014 17:37:03 GMT -5
He's not one for standing in the middle of the stage and blasting out a solo - he could do that no problem, but rather, his compositions fit seamlessly into the flow of the whole band. Proof of the matter that when Morrissey sings, there are some amazing riffs going on behind his vocals, and yet, the pair of them don't clash, and in addition to an incredibly tight rhythym section in Rourke and Joyce, they all complement each other so well. As great as Led Zep and many many other bands are, I don't think there has ever been a more cohesive and tight unit like The Smiths. I love his playing because it's so subtle yet so effective. There is no pretension and no bombast to his playing style, but a driving flow with an incredible attention to detail whatever the song. Little melodies here and there blossom the songs rather than dominate them. It's not just on a technical level I'm impressed by him but on a psychological level. I don't think any other guitarist in the world has ever come close to their bond with the lead singer like The Smiths. And to succeed so greatly with such a great, complex and enigmatic frontman like Morrissey is high praise indeed, because when Morrissey provided lyrics to Marr, Marr knew instinctively what kind of composition to write. I hear songs from many bands and I've thought on many occasions that the tune does not fit with the lyrics. But this was never the case with The Smiths. Fantastic post (sorry for the edit, didn't want to bomb the thread). I wholeheartedly agree. Most the things you mentioned can also be applied to R.E.M.'s Peter Buck. I always see them as kind of british and american counterparts. I admire the way they play absolutely understated, while still being incredibly melodic and innovative. I totally agree, I'm a big fan of Peter Buck too. There's a lot of riffs from Fables of the Reconstruction which are some of Buck's best work I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 23:37:05 GMT -5
Hey .. I started a dialouge. theyknowwhatimean You know my feelings on Bowie He zigged before anybody zagged
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