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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 26, 2014 11:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 11:23:31 GMT -5
He was a shit president no matter how intelligent people do or don't think he is. Do you think Obama should be let off the hook for his poor performance because he has brains, cos i sure as shit don't.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 26, 2014 11:58:33 GMT -5
He definitely wasn't dumb. The guy literally got everything he wanted while he was president for 8 years. Perhaps it was because he surrounded himself with very smart, ruthless people, who knows. Dumb people can't pull that shit off.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour on Mar 27, 2014 1:21:23 GMT -5
No, but he lied about WMD's, just about the oil. All about the oil. (I was reading Andrew Wilkie's report, he was correct)
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 27, 2014 6:18:35 GMT -5
That's a ringing endorsement. That website looks like Deadspin for young republicans.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 27, 2014 7:23:01 GMT -5
No, but he lied about WMD's, just about the oil. All about the oil. (I was reading Andrew Wilkie's report, he was correct) Here is the part I never really understood on Saddam's part. If he had nothing to hide, why didn't he just let the UN weapons inspectors into his facilities? That is what kicked off that invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Saddam was given an ultimatum. Let the inspectors in or be invaded by the USA and it's allies. Now Saddam choose not to let them in which is extremely suspect. I doubt this is a pride thing too. He ended up losing control of his dictatorship and country. His sons lost their lives and he was eventually captured living in a hole and then executed. What was the point of his bullishness? It certainly didn't impact Bush. He was re-elected another 4 years. Doesn't this raise any eyebrows to anyone else? Maybe those WMDs are buried in the desert. Maybe they were shipped to Syria as was long rumored. Anyway you slice it, Saddam was up to no good. I mean besides the WMD, the guy was committing genocide on his people and those in disputed boarders. Not a good dude on any level.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 27, 2014 7:29:30 GMT -5
the fact that there's an article debating his intelligence really says it all.
Thanks.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 27, 2014 7:34:53 GMT -5
the fact that there's an article debating his intelligence really says it all. Thanks.
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Post by jakob61907 on Mar 27, 2014 9:17:59 GMT -5
Hilarious! Cant believe this man ran a country for 8 years
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 9:43:28 GMT -5
Look I'm the oldest here , or just about , I'm also a true independent. I don't care if your red or blue if you make me money and the country is in a good way you got my vote .i am old enough to remember actually remember NOT READ OR GOOGLE 8 presidentials administrations I will rank them in order based on. Standard of living. Foreign policy . Economy ,which really is stZndard of living and Americas psyche. You all can read about but this is how it was and I'm being neutral
1-Reagan. don't care what some will say about how he left country , you know nothing ,, what he inherited was a fucking disaster from carter , and he rebuilt ameican psyche , and I made more money in his era than any others ,
2- Clinton made as much maybe a tad less , he was better domestically , but those scandals and so e bad forign policy. Decisions put him at a very good 2
3- Nixon . His only crime was he got caught. He opened up trade with china , got the Russians to negotiate and we had fucking gas until carter
4- bush sr. Actually had the highest approval rating in history , just was not liked , many believe our economic recovery started under him , he took the bit for Reagan but Reagan did what he had to to jump start the economy and he did , bush lost the election probably because of it , but a good president
5 ford - the only reason I have him 5 is cause the bottom 3 were that bad his 2 years were nothing but they were not disasters
6 - bush jr - man made poor decisions domestically , not the best internationally , not as dumb or as bad as some say , but not effective .
7 - Obama - just look at his record
8 - carter , take all you read and multiply by 100 HE WAS THAT BAD ...GAS LINES , EMBARGOS , COUNTRIES LOWEST SELF ESTEEM , he awa so ly elected cause of watergate which was a bullshit political scandal that divided a nation that was very left , there was a cartoon cover in time magazine of the Russian bear choking out a shriveled old Uncle Sam ....that ended with Reagan .... He was that bad , that clueless , he mKes Obama and bush junior look like the founding fathers , disagree all you like most were not born and are getting your info from a left media , I lived it , I'm independent. That's the true deal
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 27, 2014 10:00:58 GMT -5
Look I'm the oldest here , or just about , I'm also a true independent. I don't care if your red or blue if you make me money and the country is in a good way you got my vote .i am old enough to remember actually remember NOT READ OR GOOGLE 8 presidentials administrations I will rank them in order based on. Standard of living. Foreign policy . Economy ,which really is stZndard of living and Americas psyche. You all can read about but this is how it was and I'm being neutral 1-Reagan. don't care what some will say about how he left country , you know nothing ,, what he inherited was a fucking disaster from carter , and he rebuilt ameican psyche , and I made more money in his era than any others , 2- Clinton made as much maybe a tad less , he was better domestically , but those scandals and so e bad forign policy. Decisions put him at a very good 2 3- Nixon . His only crime was he got caught. He opened up trade with china , got the Russians to negotiate and we had fucking gas until carter 4- bush sr. Actually had the highest approval rating in history , just was not liked , many believe our economic recovery started under him , he took the bit for Reagan but Reagan did what he had to to jump start the economy and he did , bush lost the election probably because of it , but a good president 5 ford - the only reason I have him 5 is cause the bottom 3 were that bad his 2 years were nothing but they were not disasters 6 - bush jr - man made poor decisions domestically , not the best internationally , not as dumb or as bad as some say , but not effective . 7 - Obama - just look at his record 8 - carter , take all you read and multiply by 100 HE WAS THAT BAD ...GAS LINES , EMBARGOS , COUNTRIES LOWEST SELF ESTEEM , he awa so ly elected cause of watergate which was a bullshit political scandal that divided a nation that was very left , there was a cartoon cover in time magazine of the Russian bear choking out a shriveled old Uncle Sam ....that ended with Reagan .... He was that bad , that clueless , he mKes Obama and bush junior look like the founding fathers , disagree all you like most were not born and are getting your info from a left media , I lived it , I'm independent. That's the true deal I thought that was his son. In 2002-2003 W.'s approval ratings were thru the roof. Levels not seen since Nixon in the early 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 10:08:41 GMT -5
Lennon2217 you may be right junior might have slightly got a edge , I forgot but bush senior definatly had the highest til his son after his first year on office I remember that vividly they made a big deal that he had a higher rating than Reagan or FDR yet still lost 3 years later , But yes I stand corrected
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Post by Rain on Mar 27, 2014 10:14:03 GMT -5
best US president in 20th century was FDR.
As for 21st century the US ended up two lame duck Presidents. Obama has no drive to finish nothing, but ideas to start something. Bush had his personal agenda and economy in shambles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -5
best US president in 20th century was FDR. As for 21st century the US ended up two lame duck Presidents. Obama has no drive to finish nothing, but ideas to start something. Bush had his personal agenda and economy in shambles. Maybe , maybe not , some still say he knew the Japanese were coming , I tend to disagree don't think he would let America get bombed but since I didn't live in that era , I can't say he was the best , I can only rate unbiasedly who I lived hru , FDR and his history much like all the others I can't say I wasn't there , but of course he is considered the best and I do t argue just can't judge
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 27, 2014 10:26:56 GMT -5
best US president in 20th century was FDR. As for 21st century the US ended up two lame duck Presidents. Obama has no drive to finish nothing, but ideas to start something. Bush had his personal agenda and economy in shambles. to be fair, Obama is dealing with an absolutely ridiculous republican party....but yes, his presidency has been an overall disappointment. but to also be fair, i'd rather have him than any republican. *note - things can get ugly around here especially around the time of U.S. presidential elections...i've told a few people that I hope they die in a tire fire during the last election and don't regret it at all. Thanks.
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Post by jakob61907 on Mar 27, 2014 12:35:20 GMT -5
Politics is a bit of a joke in most western cultures. S**t stays the same and nothing really changes that much whoever you vote for.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 27, 2014 12:51:16 GMT -5
Politics is a bit of a joke in most western cultures. S**t stays the same and nothing really changes that much whoever you vote for. very true... you just have to look at the last U.S. Presidential election. Obama won by a landslide and nothing's really changed. the ultra wealthy really do run things...but luckily, people with backward values and thinking are being bred out and/or are dying off by the day, so things will eventually change. God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 16:54:13 GMT -5
Rain I would concur with you if I looked at presidents in modern era world war 1 on and just look at what I read , I would rank my presidents as follows for top 5 1- FDR 2- IKE ( Eisenhower) 3- Reagan 4 Clinton 5 Truman
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 27, 2014 20:25:07 GMT -5
6 - bush jr - man made poor decisions domestically , not the best internationally , not as dumb or as bad as some say , but not effective . 7 - Obama - just look at his record I can only argue about the other presidents from a historical perspective not a personal one since I was too you or not interested in politics when they were in office. I was old enough to vote in the second Clinton election but did not because at 20yrs old I had the maturity of a 16yr old. There is no way Lil' bush was a better president than Barry. Two major wars, the relief to Katrina victims, the crumbling of our economy, the effect his foreign policy still stigmatizes the US, guantanamo bay, restricting stem cell research, etc.
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Post by Manualex on Mar 27, 2014 20:30:11 GMT -5
A president that started a shitloads of bad PR for the USA and wars that didn't and havent yet finished. If you think he's brilliant that's like... your opinion. Do you know something about opinions? They are like assholes...
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Post by Manualex on Mar 27, 2014 20:37:18 GMT -5
Bush jnr wasnt unintelligent neither brilliant he was missunderestimated ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 20:58:14 GMT -5
6 - bush jr - man made poor decisions domestically , not the best internationally , not as dumb or as bad as some say , but not effective . 7 - Obama - just look at his record I can only argue about the other presidents from a historical perspective not a personal one since I was too you or not interested in politics when they were in office. I was old enough to vote in the second Clinton election but did not because at 20yrs old I had the maturity of a 16yr old. There is no way Lil' bush was a better president than Barry. Two major wars, the relief to Katrina victims, the crumbling of our economy, the effect his foreign policy still stigmatizes the US, guantanamo bay, restricting stem cell research, etc. Maybe in your world m not in mine
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Post by Rain on Mar 27, 2014 21:03:27 GMT -5
Rain I would concur with you if I looked at presidents in modern era world war 1 on and just look at what I read , I would rank my presidents as follows for top 5 1- FDR 2- IKE ( Eisenhower) 3- Reagan 4 Clinton 5 Truman Imagine US without Social Security? I know Churchill gets credit, but FDR was apart of WWII with stopping Hitler and ordered Manhattan project to move forward to develop the atomic bomb. He did the most influential moves as 20th century presidents. The country and US politics might been totally different if Bobby Kennedy wasn't assassinated. Without the rule or law. I think Clinton wold won another term as president.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2014 21:55:00 GMT -5
best US president in 20th century was FDR. As for 21st century the US ended up two lame duck Presidents. Obama has no drive to finish nothing, but ideas to start something. Bush had his personal agenda and economy in shambles. to be fair, Obama is dealing with an absolutely ridiculous republican party....but yes, his presidency has been an overall disappointment. but to also be fair, i'd rather have him than any republican. *note - things can get ugly around here especially around the time of U.S. presidential elections...i've told a few people that I hope they die in a tire fire during the last election and don't regret it at all. Thanks. He had full control of both chambers for his first 2 years. 2010 was a referendum on his poor performance, and 2014 will be, too - GOP has a great chance to control both chambers. That's down simply to poor Obama and Dem performance. Very similar to 2006 when the Dems took control with Bush as President. Expect to see a Republican president in 2016.....The pattern is set. Obama's Presidency can be summed up aptly with this Oasis lyric: Now you understand that this is not the promised land they spoke of. Obama was all hype. Saw it from day 1. A real damn shame that Romney comes across as so robotic. If voters saw him as empathetic, 2012 was there for the taking.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2014 21:59:09 GMT -5
And as for the above:
1. Bush Jr. had the highest approval rating recorded. You had the "Rally Around the Flag" effect after 9/11. But he also handled the immediate aftermath of 9/11 incredibly well. W's first term was strong. His 2nd term he botched, to be sure - he became a lame duck in 2006, though, following the Dem's control of both chambers. Now where do we see this happening again? Hmm.....
2. As for FDR - it was WWII that turned the economy around, NOT his leftist policies that Obama desired to mimic to such disastrous effects.
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