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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 14, 2014 21:46:56 GMT -5
is it dangerous? Yes, but that's the only way keepers can do to protect their bodies. Imagine if any striker could run over any keeper when he jumps in the air like that Ronaldo versus France without any consecuences to the striker. That could give an awful lot of injuries to keepers. That's what players who hit with the elbow on other face say... Just protecting themselves Actually, that's not true. Players jump like that with their elbows because it gives them more power in the air and thus more power behind their header. Has nothing to do with protection. This incident is analogous to two field players colliding heads going for a header. It's just an inevitable part of the game. It's natural. And it's not a foul. Not even close.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 15, 2014 0:45:28 GMT -5
FIFA's best XI: Neuer; De Vrij, Hümmels, Thiago Silva, Rojo; Kroos, Oscar, Lahm, James Rodríguez; Robben and Müller. Seems a bit more fair than the one above, but Thiago Silva and Oscar? Seriously??? If you want to pick someone from Brazil you gotta choose Neymar. Garay did a far better job in that position I wouldn't pick Rojo either, even though he had a good tournament, Blind was better overall. where did you read this team?
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Post by eva on Jul 15, 2014 6:06:46 GMT -5
FIFA's best XI: Neuer; De Vrij, Hümmels, Thiago Silva, Rojo; Kroos, Oscar, Lahm, James Rodríguez; Robben and Müller. Seems a bit more fair than the one above, but Thiago Silva and Oscar? Seriously??? If you want to pick someone from Brazil you gotta choose Neymar. Garay did a far better job in that position I wouldn't pick Rojo either, even though he had a good tournament, Blind was better overall. where did you read this team? Clarin (Local newspaper)
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Post by MG on Jul 15, 2014 9:06:06 GMT -5
He "had" to? Or he did and chose to jump like that? Again, it's like lifting the foot a lot cos he has to do it to control the ball, or a scissors hit cos it's the only way to hit the ball. It's fault even if the other player is not touched cos it's dangerous. And it's on the game laws. I know it's just interpretation, my point is that the GK can't do anything he wants to just cos he's inside the box.true, but they can get away with alot more than your normal outfield player... its not really like a high foot because hes not lifting his leg for the ball. his leg is only that height because hes allowed to handle the ball. anyway, like i said, if refs cant even agree im not sure any of us are in a position to be sure we're correct. its all just opinion. Exactly, my point all along is that a knee to the face when a player standing upright is dangerous play and people are saying it's ok coz he touched the ball first so it doesn't matter!? I'd feel hard done if it was given against a team I was playing for but when you get a knee to the head you get a knee to the head! For those saying protection, as far as I'm aware you do not have the right to protect yourself if it causes harm to someone else. Even if that incident with Neuer and Higuain wasn't a pen, how the ref could give is as a free-kick to Germany is beyond me, bizarre. This! As someone else said it should of been a throw in if the penalty was not give. I would of accepted the ref's decision if a throw in was awarded. Surely the fact it's a 50/50 makes it debatable?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No. A 50/50 ball means a play where both players have an equal chance of getting to the ball, and it's likely someone will end up hurt (in theory, the player who holds back and is less committed), it does not imply a foul, or reckless behavior, or debatable call. Likewise, two players jumping for the same ball, and their heads collide, but one playing is significantly more hurt than the other is a 50/50, is not a foul, and happens all the fucking time.....Part of the game. Surely the fact it's a 50/50 makes it debatable?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Just for the sake of making my description above official: "A 50/50 ball signifies a 50/50 chance at getting to the ball. This happens often during the game where a soccer player and an opposing player each have an equal opportunity to get to a loose ball. Most often, 50/50 challenges are won by the player who exerts the most effort to win the ball. The saying often reads that hussle and effort make up for talent. This is frequently the case on the soccer field. The more aggressive and hard working the team the better the chances of success." www.justplaycleats.com/why-setting-goals-in-soccer-is-so-important.htmlAnyone who thinks that was a foul is either blinded by denial, or doesn't understand the sport. It's not even remotely controversial. Nice official ruling there... a passage from a website that sells football boots is exactly out of the referee's handbook(!) You can still foul a player after/during a 50/50 ball, I've done it and it's been done to me. And believe you me I understand the sport very well! Stuff like this is when there should be no "challenges" allowed in football which there has been some talk about. IMO anything that can be done in the professional game should be able to be replicated in a Sunday league match and vice versa.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 15, 2014 9:09:13 GMT -5
But how often do we see the reverse happen? A 50/50 with the striker going for the ball, but the goalkeeper collects the ball, and the striker's follow-through (ie momentum) foot collides with the keeper?
OR, as already mentioned: TWO PLAYERS' HEADS COLLIDING WHEN GOING FOR A HEADER.
IT'S NOT A FOUL FFS.
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Post by MG on Jul 15, 2014 10:07:58 GMT -5
But how often do we see the reverse happen? A 50/50 with the striker going for the ball, but the goalkeeper collects the ball, and the striker's follow-through (ie momentum) foot collides with the keeper? OR, as already mentioned: TWO PLAYERS' HEADS COLLIDING WHEN GOING FOR A HEADER. IT'S NOT A FOUL FFS. Yes, two heads not a knee and a head! Billy Davey ツ posted this, please read it... EDIT: Pics not showing up in quote, half way down page 30 I think You can interpret that Neuer is in breach of several of these laws. The first image posted, I would say it is careless, others could say reckless and some could make an argument for excessive force. These have been posted twice now, I think I'll have to leave it at that.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 15, 2014 10:15:49 GMT -5
But how often do we see the reverse happen? A 50/50 with the striker going for the ball, but the goalkeeper collects the ball, and the striker's follow-through (ie momentum) foot collides with the keeper? OR, as already mentioned: TWO PLAYERS' HEADS COLLIDING WHEN GOING FOR A HEADER. IT'S NOT A FOUL FFS. If one player arrives late and hits the other player's head after the first one has already hit the ball can be a fault. And the intention was to hit the ball. I've seen it lots of times, as I've seen players lifting elbows to protect themselves and hit the back part of other player's head. So it was fault. Football is not a sport for babies, but that doesn't mean all contact is allowed. Holding a rival from the shirt doesn't hurt a bit and it's yellow card.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jul 15, 2014 23:51:30 GMT -5
But how often do we see the reverse happen? A 50/50 with the striker going for the ball, but the goalkeeper collects the ball, and the striker's follow-through (ie momentum) foot collides with the keeper? OR, as already mentioned: TWO PLAYERS' HEADS COLLIDING WHEN GOING FOR A HEADER. IT'S NOT A FOUL FFS. If one player arrives late and hits the other player's head after the first one has already hit the ball can be a fault. And the intention was to hit the ball. I've seen it lots of times, as I've seen players lifting elbows to protect themselves and hit the back part of other player's head. So it was fault. Football is not a sport for babies, but that doesn't mean all contact is allowed. Holding a rival from the shirt doesn't hurt a bit and it's yellow card.and how often is a yellow given? almost never. alot of shirt pulling isnt even called. its up to the refs discretion. and a player lifting elbows is different again. for one, its not for protection, its for balance and momentum. and for 2, outfield players arent granted that sort of leeway for protection. its purely a GK thing. you can get a handball called for protecting your nuts depending on who is reffing... MG: its been agreed that it doesnt matter if he got the ball first. the main arguement is that GK are given extra advantages so they can protect themselves. a knee up at any height could be considered dangerous/reckless, but you see GK do it pretty much every game and refs let it go because theres added danger in being a goalie...
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 16, 2014 4:54:30 GMT -5
Looks like refs are very different on each country
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 16, 2014 16:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:31:13 GMT -5
I'm already missing the worldcup
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Post by Marcos on Jul 17, 2014 20:22:31 GMT -5
Your signatue is very evil, Cata. Haha
I miss the world cup a lot aswell.
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