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Post by GIMH on Mar 31, 2013 20:48:41 GMT -5
Oasis will never be as big as The Beatles. They were the biggest band since The Beatles, for a little while, without doubt. I mean culturally, Oasis were a monster, fuck it they still are. They are the go to band of everyone who grew up in the 90s. Even those who don't like them will be singing along to Wonderwall or Some Might Say at weddings.
But to look at sales and whatever and say they were nearly as big as The Beatles? Nah. I mean, I was there in the 90s, fuck it Liam and Noel got haircuts and it was frontpage news. But The Beatles was something else entirely, nothing has or will ever replicate it. You couldn't fucking hear them at their concerts over the screams. It's like taking the biggest modern day boybands (Take That/One Direction??) and crossing them with the biggest rock and roll band (Oasis) and you're still nowhere near.
BUT. The Beatles definitely got a new wave of popularity in the 90s. Kids like me introduced our dads to Oasis and all of a sudden we were like, Dad, tell us more about The Beatles. And Macca himself got a new spark of form out of that, the proper solo albums he's released since Oasis hit the big time have all been fucking good and there's no doubt at all in my mind that seeing a band like Oasis hit such heights and be so blatantly indebted to his band made him realise, fucking hell I can do this shit.
A lot of the love that my generation have for yer fabs came thanks to the Gallaghers. Sure, we'd have found them anyway in the end but Oasis repaid the debt.
And let's be honest, The Beatles are the greatest band ever but Oasis are my favourite and aren't I glad to have them both? It's not like picking a football team; I really thoguht the mighty whites would do it this year yet after being top for two thirds of the season we're clinging to sixth. It's not like picking a woman, where you see another beautiful woman who flirts with you and you knock her back. Fuck it, you're happy to, you love that woman who's waiting for you at home. But you can love Oasis and The Beatles, you can listen to them both. Fuck it, listening to Oasis doing I Am The Walrus is the musical equivalent of that woman who's flirting with you coming home for a threesome with you and the missus.
The bottom line - no, Oasis weren't ever as big as The Beatles, but they meant as much to a lot of people, especially me. And I'm drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 20:57:12 GMT -5
Oasis will never be as big as The Beatles. They were the biggest band since The Beatles, for a little while, without doubt. I mean culturally, Oasis were a monster, fuck it they still are. They are the go to band of everyone who grew up in the 90s. Even those who don't like them will be singing along to Wonderwall or Some Might Say at weddings. But to look at sales and whatever and say they were nearly as big as The Beatles? Nah. I mean, I was there in the 90s, fuck it Liam and Noel got haircuts and it was frontpage news. But The Beatles was something else entirely, nothing has or will ever replicate it. You couldn't fucking hear them at their concerts over the screams. It's like taking the biggest modern day boybands (Take That/One Direction??) and crossing them with the biggest rock and roll band (Oasis) and you're still nowhere near. BUT. The Beatles definitely got a new wave of popularity in the 90s. Kids like me introduced our dads to Oasis and all of a sudden we were like, Dad, tell us more about The Beatles. And Macca himself got a new spark of form out of that, the proper solo albums he's released since Oasis hit the big time have all been fucking good and there's no doubt at all in my mind that seeing a band like Oasis hit such heights and be so blatantly indebted to his band made him realise, fucking hell I can do this shit. A lot of the love that my generation have for yer fabs came thanks to the Gallaghers. Sure, we'd have found them anyway in the end but Oasis repaid the debt. And let's be honest, The Beatles are the greatest band ever but Oasis are my favourite and aren't I glad to have them both? It's not like picking a football team; I really thoguht the mighty whites would do it this year yet after being top for two thirds of the season we're clinging to sixth. It's not like picking a woman, where you see another beautiful woman who flirts with you and you knock her back. Fuck it, you're happy to, you love that woman who's waiting for you at home. But you can love Oasis and The Beatles, you can listen to them both. Fuck it, listening to Oasis doing I Am The Walrus is the musical equivalent of that woman who's flirting with you coming home for a threesome with you and the missus. The bottom line - no, Oasis weren't ever as big as The Beatles, but they meant as much to a lot of people, especially me. And I'm drunk. Well put man ...ditto. As I been saying for years man I was in London back then and the younger people who were like 10 to 14 or 15 just cannot get how insane it was those year or two they might remember vaugley like I do zep but cannot understand it which is what I was trying to convey. If you weren't lime 16 and up really maybe 18 you just can't get your head around how massive they got in that brief time. Well put
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Post by allingoodtime on May 20, 2013 15:54:13 GMT -5
The Beatles were bigger than Oasis and I can't see any band ever being as big as them..no one.
That being said, I do think The Beatles are over-rated and I prefer Oasis' music but thats just down to taste.
As far as record sales/popularity, Oasis were huge in the 90's but I feel they were only massive in the UK, they weren't AS big in other countries.
After 2 huge albums: Definitely Maybe and What's the story morning glory, there wasn't really any other way but down, same happened to Michael Jackson, Off the wall was brilliant, Thriller was his best, he couldn't really get any better. Bad was a great album but some albums are hard/impossible to beat.
Had Oasis been more careful with Be Here Now they could have easily kept up their popularity and remained the biggest and best in the world and I still think it was a good album but they could have done much better. Had the masterplan, Acquiesce etc been added to it it could have been a different story but fuck it. I can see why people expected it to be so amazing after 2 great albums and the first single of D'you know what I mean couldn't have been a better start for the album.
Mistakes were made if theres only one argument that can be made its that the beatles werent around long enough to experience a downfall but they did release a good amount of albums in those years.
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Post by Bruno on May 21, 2013 7:07:50 GMT -5
That being said, I do think The Beatles are over-rated and I prefer Oasis' music but thats just down to taste.
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Post by allingoodtime on May 21, 2013 10:18:01 GMT -5
I like the Beatles music but I do think they're very over-rated there are better bands imo..such as Pink Floyd.
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Post by Bruno on May 21, 2013 11:09:33 GMT -5
I like the Beatles music but I do think they're very over-rated there are better bands imo..such as Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd are a great band no doubt, I'll be the last person to put them down but they are no where as diverse as The Beatles. Their influence is vast and in every single genre from pop to rock. If Oasis were influenced by them then they must be something. But it's cool, your entitled to your opinion.
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Post by allingoodtime on May 31, 2013 11:34:18 GMT -5
My Dad lived through The Beatles and Pink Floyd, we spoke about this yest and claimed The Beatles were as big as they are today because they were sort of the 'first big band' but they didn't have that much competition during their time.
Imo both Pink Floyd and Oasis had more competition to fight off.
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Post by bdiplayer on Jul 14, 2013 14:23:03 GMT -5
half-a-quadruple post.
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Post by bdiplayer on Jul 14, 2013 14:23:31 GMT -5
'the Law of Diminishing Returns' most definitely applies to Rock: the Beatles/Elvis/Stones etc revealed what young people really wanted, which was new and unprecedented in the 50s and 60s.
Any group out today , no matter how talented, is simply going over the same ground, in an overfamilar Rock and Roll format.
The next true Megastars will not be Rock Musicians: it will be something completely new that nobody has yet discovered [if I knew what it was, I'd be working on it now, myself!]
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 21:03:54 GMT -5
What did they actually say though? did they (liam or noel) really say they would be bigger than the Beatles or was it just that they wanted to be, there is a difference. They were forever saying the beatles were the bench mark and so on, but i don't recall them ever saying they would be bigger or better than the beatles? In the Sunday Times 96 Liam said: "It's really important to be bigger than the Beatles. I think we're better than the Beatles. And we've only done two albums. It was different when they were around. We'd just come out of the war, and a bunch of scousers could make us happy again. I reckon we've pissed all over the Beatles. Masterplan - as good as anything; Roll With It - as good and Paperback Writer, Hard Day's Night. We wrote half the third album in 1991 and it betters the Beatles. They ain't the best band in the world - we are" They asked for it. Liam was always the most flamboyant and unrealistic so I am sure a good number of the really crazy statements came from him. Heck Liam said in 2011 "Fuck being as big as Oasis. I want to be bigger than the Beatles" about Beady Eye. Tbf around 1997 they were pretty damn close to being as big as the Beatles in the UK. Their debut was the fastest selling debut of all time. Their sophomore album was one of the biggest selling of all time. Their 3rd album was the fastest selling album ever (including the Beatles) a record that has been maintained to this day. Some crazy statements here. Oasis were never as 'big as the Beatles'. And they never will be. Anyway whats big? They never broke America like the Beatles did. Liam hating americans probably didn't help with that either. Though Beady Eye have got thing's going an all. It is an old interview. It's only Rock and Roll.
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Post by lahaine on Apr 4, 2014 11:13:49 GMT -5
Never understood people saying they were the "New" Beatles, Oasis were a mixture of The Who with the Sex Pistols to be honest. Oasis never changed their sound while the Beatles expanded and musical changed the landscape. Noel and Liam didn't help matters either by playing up to it, come on Liam you ain't no John Lennon so stop it. It always makes me cringe. Saw Oasis back in 2000 in Dublin, when Live Forever finished a huge picture of Lennon came up on screen with Liam bowing down, made me cringe then and even more now.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 4, 2014 13:23:42 GMT -5
They were seems as the New Beatles in a sense of popularity and adoration in UK, not soundwise, no other band since The Beatles had the same appeal as Oasis did.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 4, 2014 18:39:15 GMT -5
What did they actually say though? did they (liam or noel) really say they would be bigger than the Beatles or was it just that they wanted to be, there is a difference. They were forever saying the beatles were the bench mark and so on, but i don't recall them ever saying they would be bigger or better than the beatles? In the Sunday Times 96 Liam said: "It's really important to be bigger than the Beatles. I think we're better than the Beatles. And we've only done two albums. It was different when they were around. We'd just come out of the war, and a bunch of scousers could make us happy again. I reckon we've pissed all over the Beatles. Masterplan - as good as anything; Roll With It - as good and Paperback Writer, Hard Day's Night. We wrote half the third album in 1991 and it betters the Beatles. They ain't the best band in the world - we are" They asked for it. Liam was always the most flamboyant and unrealistic so I am sure a good number of the really crazy statements came from him. Heck Liam said in 2011 "Fuck being as big as Oasis. I want to be bigger than the Beatles" about Beady Eye. Tbf around 1997 they were pretty damn close to being as big as the Beatles in the UK. Their debut was the fastest selling debut of all time. Their sophomore album was one of the biggest selling of all time. Their 3rd album was the fastest selling album ever (including the Beatles) a record that has been maintained to this day.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 4, 2014 18:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by 2besomeone on Apr 5, 2014 10:37:25 GMT -5
Ever been on coke, that alone will lead you to believe that you are greater than Beatles.
Honestly, I think, as a few people have mentioned, that the whole Beatles comparison is more a press thing. Most of the members in oasis were big Beatles fans, and in the early interviews Noel and Liam were always going on about the Beatles as one of their main influences. Then whilst getting bigger and the press presenting them as the next Beatles, and of course all the cocain it was only natural to the oasis attitude to play up on that and start claiming you are as a big or bigger than the Beatles. And fora minute there, in the UK, they weren't to far from it,
I guess the comparisons came about, obsoiusly cause noel was naming them as a big influence, they sort of had a bit of a Beatles look and so on. But the main thing was their over the board appeal. People have to remember that at one point oasis were the biggest band in that moment, everything was oasis, much like the Beatles had done in the 60s.
Still though, I don't believe both are comparable. For the simple reason that with out the Beatles there would have never been oasis. Same goes for some one going on about Floyd, they would have never happened without the Beatles. The Beatles started all, mainstreamed the under ground, and lay the ground work for the massiveness that rock n roll would become. Of course there were more musically talented bands, such as Floyd (one of my fa purge bands) but the Beatles pretty much started it all and all that followed cite them as an influence.
Anyways that just one of the issues, I could into the whole musical side of it aswell. But I'll stop ranting for now.
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Post by dennizz on Apr 10, 2014 3:01:10 GMT -5
The Beatles were the biggest band ever because their music appealed to a more diverse audience than any band after them. They were marketed brilliantly, from a raw rock n roll band to clean cut pop stars. Teenagers and parents were listening to them, the radio were playing them all day. That helped them with becoming the biggest band ever. Their music was good but only became brilliant when they got to Rubber Soul. The great thing was that their fans grew up with them, they got kids and turned them on to The Beatles.
Comparing Oasis to The Beatles is ridiculous and only happened because Liam and Noel said they wanted to be bigger then them. That was just another way of saying they want to be the best. I prefer Oasis and thats probably because i was there in the 90's
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 10, 2014 8:19:12 GMT -5
Ever been on coke, that alone will lead you to believe that you are greater than Beatles.
Honestly, I think, as a few people have mentioned, that the whole Beatles comparison is more a press thing. Most of the members in oasis were big Beatles fans, and in the early interviews Noel and Liam were always going on about the Beatles as one of their main influences. Then whilst getting bigger and the press presenting them as the next Beatles, and of course all the cocain it was only natural to the oasis attitude to play up on that and start claiming you are as a big or bigger than the Beatles. And fora minute there, in the UK, they weren't to far from it, I guess the comparisons came about, obsoiusly cause noel was naming them as a big influence, they sort of had a bit of a Beatles look and so on. But the main thing was their over the board appeal. People have to remember that at one point oasis were the biggest band in that moment, everything was oasis, much like the Beatles had done in the 60s. Still though, I don't believe both are comparable. For the simple reason that with out the Beatles there would have never been oasis. Same goes for some one going on about Floyd, they would have never happened without the Beatles. The Beatles started all, mainstreamed the under ground, and lay the ground work for the massiveness that rock n roll would become. Of course there were more musically talented bands, such as Floyd (one of my fa purge bands) but the Beatles pretty much started it all and all that followed cite them as an influence. Anyways that just one of the issues, I could into the whole musical side of it aswell. But I'll stop ranting for now. I personally love listening to all Noel interviews from the Be Here Now tour. The guy is totally coked out of his mind at all times. Makes for a fun, lively interview for sure. A lot better than the sometimes moody Noel an interviewer could get on the SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, DOYS tours.
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